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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:41 PM
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Elitist Nonsense
If there's one epithet the right never tires of, it's "elitism." Republicans are constantly accusing Democrats of it this campaign season, as when Kentucky Senate nominee Rand Paul attacked President Obama as "a liberal elitist … believes that he knows what is best for people." With the Tea Party's rise, conservatives have even begun accusing each other of it, as Sharron Angle, the Nevada GOP nominee did when she charged that Robert Bennett, the outgoing senator from Utah, "has become one of the elitists that is no longer in touch." Other days, they simply lament that the entire country is falling prey to it, as California Senate nominee Carly Fiorina recently did in asserting that "the American Dream is in danger" because of the "elitists" in charge of the government.

When the rich former CEO of one of America's largest companies casts herself as a victim of elitism, we have surely strayed far from any literal definition of the term. So what do Republicans mean by this French word? Unlike the radical sociologist C. Wright Mills, who popularized the term to describe shared identity based on economic interests, Republicans use it with connotations of education, geography, ideology, taste, and lifestyle—such that a millionaire investment banker who works for Goldman Sachs, went to Harvard, and reads the New York Times is an elitist but a billionaire CEO who grew up in Houston, went to a state university, and contributes to Republicans, is not.

http://www.slate.com/id/2269576/
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:46 PM
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1. It's pure projection on their part...
If anyone has any doubt as to what a right winger is up to behind closed doors, just listen to whatever is coming out of their mouths.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:26 PM
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5. Is it?
Or do we demostrate it for them all of the time? You never noticed?
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:57 PM
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6. That "elitism" BS is nothing more than a ruse to get the GOP voting rubes up in arms
They do this every election season.

And after the rubes come through and send the Repugs back into office to raid the public coffers, it's back to business as usual.

Politics in this country is like a big fat yo-yo.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:38 PM
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8. sure it is a weapon they use against us
but it is effective, and not BS, because we keep giving them bullets to use by constantly boasting about how great we are. Did you know that Rachel Maddow has the smartest show on television?

Abd also by constantly talking about how stupid and bigotted they are. "They" being the racist and homophobic (and sometimes sexist although that seems to be forgotten since Hillary lost) morons who won't vote for our awesome candidates.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:53 PM
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9. If we can't call smart people "smart" and stupid people "stupid and bigoted", it's all for naught...
Isn't it?

Those bastards need to be confronted at every opportunity.

If not, they'll take complete control of the entire body politic without any opposition against them.

Making a racist statement and then quickly following that up with a caveat like, "Some of my best friends are black people" is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

We're dealing with idiots and bigots here.

Frankly, I wish more Democrats would be like Alan Grayson, and just drop the freaking niceties, to take those idiots and bigots ON!



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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 04:38 AM
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11. there's a difference between confronting people and "calling them names"
There's no doubt that name-calling is confrontational, but does it produce results? I tend to agree with Martin Luther King. In "Stride to Freedom" he wrote that "hate creates more hate and violence creates more violence." But he also said that the non-violent method was not about being non-confrontational. The Montgomery bus boycott was very confrontational. It struck hard at the pocketbook of the bus company, but the confrontation was the act of walking and arranging car pools.

Do you really think "it is all for naught" if we cannot (or simply do not, even though we can) call people names when they oppose or disagree with us?

Here's the thing about confronting the "bastards".

As usual, Somerby does it so well.

First, he quotes EJ Dionne, writing about how racist the Teabaggers are.

'The poll asked: “In recent years, do you think too much has bene made of the problems facing black people, too little has been made, or is it about right?” Twenty-eight percent of all Americans—and just 19 percent of those who are not Tea Party loyalists— answered "too much." But among Tea Party supporters, the figure is 52 percent, almost three times the proportion of the rest of the country. A quarter of Tea Partiers say that the Obama administration's policies favor blacks over whites, compared with only 11 percent in the country as a whole.'

Then he does some basic electoral math.


"At first blush, we have no idea why someone would say that too much has been made, in recent years, of the problems facing black people. In our view, such problems are rarely discussed at all, certainly not by us fiery white liberals. (When did you ever see Dionne build a column around any such problem?) That said, we can’t help noting the facts which follow: Roughly half of Tea Party supporters didn’t answer the question that way—and roughly one-fifth of everyone else did give that answer. From that, we draw a few quick deductions:

Let’s assume there are roughly 200 million potential voters. Based on the New York Times/CBS survey, roughly 36 million of those people are (current) Tea Party supporters. Of that number, roughly 19 million think too much has been made of black problems in recent years.

When we say and imply that these people are racists, it makes us ratty white liberals feel good—but we’re playing with electoral fire. You see, based on that “19 percent” figure, about 30 million additional voters also think that too much has been made of black problems in recent years—30 million additional voters who don’t (currently) describe themselves as Tea Party supporters. When we keep assailing the motives of Tea Party supporters, we’re assailing these peoples’ motives as well. This means there are 30 million additional people we are inviting to vote against us, added to the 36 million Dionne says are already lost. At this point, even Dionne might see an electoral problem looming in November: Could 66 million voters possibly tip November’s election?

In 2006, only 81 million people voted in all."


That's the thing. Every time you call an enemy a name for something he/she says or believes. You are also calling the name to other people who believe the same things, many of whom are not currently your enemy. However, you can make them into an enemy if you keep calling them names. We don't win as progressives if we make more enemies.

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 04:54 AM
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12. Perhaps there is some benefit gained by picking our own battles
And deferring away from confrontation when it's the best thing to do.

But, I also refuse to think that we shouldn't feel free to toot our own horns when it is clearly justified.

If we're right, we have every right to state as such.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 07:57 PM
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10. I thought Glenn Beck had the smartest show in TV; or was it Billo?
But that's very different, I'm sure.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:49 PM
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2. And what about the Union guy who's missing two fingers, is he elitist too?
You see these old farmers missing an arm where the combine tore it off or miners with black lung so heavy they can not walk ten feet - are they elitists too?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 05:52 PM
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3. From the same people who want the elitists to have big tax cuts
But then again, if they want to give huge tax cuts to Barbara Streisand, Keith Olberman, Alec Baldwin and every tenured full professor on the Harvard faculty, maybe we shouldn't complain.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:07 PM
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4. "Elitist" is the new name for people who know what they're talking about......
and have success in their field of endeavor.

The flip side of this is the Right's glorification of the inept. Ignorance is now the equivalent of authenticity, and lack of skills and experience the equivalent of common sense.

More Right-wing logic-bashing where up becomes the new down, and wrong becomes the new right.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-10 06:58 PM
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7. "Elitist".. Someone who knows that Africa is a continent and that Egypt is in Africa.
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