Dear Sisters & Brothers at the DU. Take Heart! All Americans Now Know Our Democrats Oppose This War.

[David Zephyr]

Don't be discouraged by the actions by the House and Senate with regards to funding the troops and Bush's war. Americans saw his veto. They saw the Democrats trying hard, yet failing to overcome the veto and how they were blocked by the Republicans.

Everyone in America knows the truth and that the Democrats did all they can.

And now, everyone in America knows that this is a Republican War. It is a George Bush War.

And Americans are even more sour today about the GOP then ever, ever before.

This is not just a hollow victory for Bush, folks, it will have the GOP falling on their own swords with the American people who are getting pissed off.

I trust Nancy Pelosi and I trust Harry Reid and I trust Howard Dean. These three individuals at the helm have turned this country back from the very edge of fascism with great grace and deftness that one day we will marvel at.

Our Democrats (except for Joe Lieberman) are sick of knowing our youngest souls are perishing in Iraq. They can not overturn a veto without the help of the Republicans and now the Americans see this plain as day.

Don't be disheartened! The tide has long turned. You will have your day and you will see Bush disgraced and you will rejoice.

Here's a message from Psalms Chapter 37 for you:

35 I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
36 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.

[annabanana]

1. We have come a long way.... but the last few miles

to break through the carnage are just so hard.

[David Zephyr]

9. these last few miles indeed...

To those of us who saw this illegal war coming long before it did come, who marched and shouted with our voices against it when it did come, who hung our heads in shame and horror as it unfolded as we knew it would, we will NEVER give up.

Bush gets his willful and ugly way still one more time, but finally the American people have crossed the line and joined our once-small minority into despising this war, this president, and yes, the political party which held with him against our Democrats to uphold his wicked veto.

The darkest hour is before the dawn, but I'm not giving up and I'll walk those last miles with you as we take the promise of Jefferson and Madison and Adams back from these monsters. Our day is coming and theirs is too. Justice will reign. And you will hold your head high.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. Sorry, but...

The story is, and will remain, that the dems folded. That will be the MSM meme. The sooner they figure out that whatever they do, they are gonna take heat, perhaps they will start to stick to their guns and do the right thing.

[emilyg]

11. absolutely

i can't take heart -

[David Zephyr]

16. I hear you.

But we will be victorious. Don't give up now. We've come too far. And emilyg, we finally have an ally with us that we didn't have for years: the American people. They are with us. They know the GOP still controls the game and what the people started last November will be completed in 2008.

Our troops will be coming home starting this Fall when the GOP capitulates in sheer cowardice knowing they are about to be routed next November.

Bush's War in Iraq has already ended. Our troops will be coming home.

And Americans of all stripes will know that the Democrats were on the right side of history and will punish the living hell out of the GOP next year.

This was a defeat, but we will rise back like the Phoenix from the ashes of this defeat.

So take a little heart. The troops will be coming home and you were part of making it happen.

[DancingBear]

22. NO!

It was NOT a defeat. Please stop with this pandering bullshit about how these folks work for us and we'll regroup.

They voted that way because it was in their best interests to do so. They got to stay in the club and keep the K street ties in place, and they know they have gullible fools who will re-elect them many times over.

Opposition party, my ass. Rubbish.

They play you/us like fools, and we get "don't worry be happy" bullshit.

They are cowards, they are corporate whores, and most importantly they are liars.

Don't give up???

Every time you sanction their behavior by voting for them you give up.

Don't wanna give up?

Then fuck "conventional wisdom" and make your vote MEAN SOMETHING.

[David Zephyr]

24. Your opinion is noted.

The Democrats took a razor thin majority in the Senate (Lieberman threatens to bolt every other day which would turn the Senate right back to the GOP again) and a slightly larger majority in the House and in just 120 days have taken the war from its 100 MPH speed to a halt and you can be angry with me, but the troops will be coming home. Not soon enough for me. But attacking Pelosi, who has been a consistent critic of the war and who has the DLC after her day and night, may make you feel good, but it's unfair. Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle would have never gotten us this far.

[DancingBear]

36. More rubbish

Aw, poor Nancy. She sure talked tough prior to getting that gavel, didn't she?

All fire and brimstone, all "I will take the reigns", etc. And now the widdle DLC has got her all upset, so she had to cave right in. What courage. I thought she was the one who was going to provide the united front of the pure and true opposition party. I must have been dreamin'...

You know as well as me that the "slight majority" line is a canard. The bastard has a list of impeachable offenses a mile long, and all the cowards have to do is bring them to the light of day.

And please, stop with the "bringing the war to a halt" crap. It really makes you look silly. They just gave him a bill WITH NO TIME LINE, and the only reason they show any spine at all is because most of America can see for themselves. The troops will come home when a) it is convenient for George to do it and b) when he no longer has to face the consequences. Those lovely bunch of Democrats just gift-wrapped b) for him, in case you missed it.

If you want to defend this motley crew and their yellow stripes you are of course free to do so, but don't try to make it a silk purse.

Not only is it a sow's ear, it's a sow's ass.

[maggiegault]

26. And In The Meantime, We Have Troops Already Coming Home...In Caskets

It's hard to "take heart" and "see the big picture" when you buried your 28 year old baby brother last week, the soldier who was blown to bits by an IED while the Democrats pander to the Dim Son.

"Bush's War In Iraq has already ended?" Are you sure? You sure could have fooled me.

http://lauralinger.blogspot.com/2007/05/disbelief.html

http://lauralinger.blogspot.com/2007/05/heading-home-to-lafayette-to-bury-my.html

http://lauralinger.blogspot.com/2007/05/last-time-for-laura-jane-and-andy.html

Sure looks to me like Bush's War In Iraq has not only continued, but has escalated in recent months.

Now pardon me, I have to phone my brother's widow, who is packing up her Fort Hood home, and my mother, who is nearly suicidal.

[David Zephyr]

32. maggiegault, Nancy Pelosi opposed this war from the very beginning.

I don't see how attacking her will help save one more soldier, Marine or Iraqi civilian. That's all I have seen all day here at the DU: attacks on her and the only party that can end this insane and evil war. And you know I am sorry about your brother. It tears me to pieces. My neighbor's son was killed there recently and their lives will never be the same. Ever.

[maggiegault]

37. I'm Not Attacking Anyone. My Comments are merely those of someone who has suffered that loss

And I fear that an attitude such as yours will only lead to more loss, more death, more sadness. I am not attacking you...I am merely giving my opinion as someone who has personally, and deeply, and intimately, been affected now by this madness.

You cannot ask the families of deployed soldiers to see the big picture, whatever. Did you hear that those who just had their deployments stretched to 15 months are now facing having it stretched to 18 months?

18 months straight in the Iraqi hell hole? Makes sense, doesn't it? Where else would the Dim Son get his numbers for his surge, without a draft?

I am not attacking you, honestly. I am saying that what the Dems pulled today was especially cruel to me, having gone through what I am going through right now. They don't seem to grasp what is going on for Americans affected by this war.

[David Zephyr]

41. You are right.

I know and am very close to several young men at Camp Pendleton here in Southern Calfornia and this war is tearing them up, it's tearing their families up, and they face the same horror and heartbreak that now has unfairly taken the life of your brother. I hate this war and I hate George Bush.

A young Marine told me that his wife left him during his last "tour" in Iraq. What really tore me up was the look in his face when he told me that even though he loved her, that he "understood" why she couldn't deal with it. He told me that he was a Republican when he enlisted, but not anymore.

I believe that Nancy Pelosi hates this war, too.

[DancingBear]

39. If she oppose it then where is she??????

Opposing it in print is one thing, standing up and saying NOT ONE MORE DIME, NOT ONE MORE DEATH is what is needed.

Courage does not need a majority.

It builds one on its own.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. My condolensces

but you knew that

And yes, as a wife of a retired chief who went over there... big picture while they are deployed my ass

:hug:

[caligirl]

61. thanks for providing some comforting words today.

[Miss Chybil]

3. I've always tried to be optimistic but now I think I need

some of what you're smoking. I'm totally disheartened by this whole joke we call our government. I can't see what you see.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Everyone knows that the Democratic "leadership" says they oppose the war but continue to fund it.

I'll "take heart" when the troops come home.

[abb9]

20. The Democrats oppose the war? Bull-carp!!!

The Democrats seems to me like Republicans in Democratic faces.
Either they are afraid of wannabe King George W Bush,or they are closet right wing supporters,who are pulling a scam on us as them being a opposition Party.
As they sometimes call it in the hood "FRONTING big Time" Or "PERPING"
meaning perpetuating a fraud


They put on a good front,but they did not fool me.
I suspected the majority of the Dem's from when they signed on to the Neocon Immoral and illegal war on Iraq,many claiming they were fooled.
I never fully bought that excuse.
Today they have just confirmed my suspicion.

If the Dem's were a real opposition party,we would not be in Iraq killing innocent Iraqis today,and calling them terrorist,when the reality is,that they Iraqis nothing to us before we attacked them and started killing them,then we have the nerve to talk about "They are killing Americans"

Who the hell are the Iraqis supposed to kill,Chinese?
If it was China who occupied Iraq like we now do,thats who the Iraqis would kill.


The Iraqis want any occupiers out of their land.

When the Russians occupied Afghanistan and were killing them,the Afghanistan killed Russians,thats who.

So it is normal that who ever occupies any country,including Iraq,is going to get killed.
I switched my party affiliation before November from Democrat to independent,even though I voted Democrat,I said I will pick the lesser of two evils,because I did not like the way they have been operating the last few years like Republican Lite,now I am glad I did switch.

[mike_c]

5. like hell they did all they could....

I don't believe that for a moment. This is now Nancy Pelosi's war.

[DearAbby]

6. Sure they will

Again the Dems keepin that powder dry, kicked us in the guts. Media will have a field day, just instilling that meme, "The democrats caved." What America will visualize, "Democrats have no spines, how can they protect us?" as they eat that spoonfed meme.


Guess what....they did CAVE IN. Sorry I can't see this as some grand strategy anymore. I feel like I have been sold out. Maybe when I calm down some, then again maybe not.

[Doubtful Optimist]

10. I think you're onto something.

That's why Chimpy McAsshat wants this war to continue past next year's elections.

They're going to run on the meme that the Democrats are too weak to protect our country. They will bring up the Dems continued caving and screech that it's a sign of weakness.

Fuck. I don't like the way sounds, but I can already hear it.

[Catherine Vincent]

7. Why didn't they just vote against it for the record?

Even though Bush* would veto it, at least it would be on the records that they tried to persuade that jackass.

[Individualist]

8. Horse hockey!

Complicity by any other name is still complicity.

[Sherman A1]

15. Agreed and Well Said.

[ChiciB1]

12. I Will Have To Say That I Am Forced To Agree With You... No Matter

how MUCH I seriously want them to be SEIZED UPON by biting LOCUSTS, even having Gonzo hanging around is a constant reminder of how TOTALLY corrupt these people are. It can't be good for BFEE!!

Wanting to be rid of them, thinking IMPEACHMENT is actually not enough, I have to conclude that Democrats DO NOT want the BURDEN of this War!

Still, it hurts me deeply that so many more must die, and I think I just heard on KO that The Idiot and HIS HENCHMEN are actually going to try to DOUBLE the boots on the ground for THIS LATEST Surge!! I do feel that Democrats MUST keep trying and pushing them back into a corner, keep giving them legislation that The Idiot will Veto! It will in the end make for better theater to some extent.

Not so good for those who are losing their lives, and it will perhaps be THOSE SOLDIERS in Iraq who will eventually get their fill and say ENOUGH! At which point, we are "Viet Nam, Part II!"

When will the fragging begin?? Despite all that was said about Americans turning on the soldiers from Viet Nam, treating them without dignity... I dare say it was not so! It was the soldiers who began the upheaval in the first place and then "we the people" began to support them in their efforts!

[Beelzebud]

13. Keep that powder dry NO MATTER WHAT!!!

[senseandsensibility]

14. I love your beginning

The use of "brothers and sisters" when standing in solidarity against tyranny always brings a tear to my eye. I can't feel as optimistic as you right now; I'm not ready yet. Give me at least a few hours. We will stand together against this. That I know.

[flyarm]

17. TELL YOUR OPTIMISIM TO THE NEXT FAMILY THAT GETS THE CALL THEIR CHILD DIED IN IRAQ!

SORRY BUT I AM DONE..INTERNALLY MY GUTS ARE SCREAMING..HOW MANY MORE HAVE TO DIE FOR A LIE??

really..how many more have to die..because now the dems have capitulated to the mtf in this white house???????

how many??

not in my name damn it, not in my name!!

fly

[maggiegault]

29. A-FRICKING-MEN. See my response above.

[flyarm]

49. my heart is with you Maggie and your family...this should not be...

it just should not be...

the dems could have stopped this..they should have stopped this madness..they should have stopped the lies..they should have stopped the dying..

they could have stood up for the living..

but they did not..

how many times can we be expected to forgive them?

i have no forgiveness left in my heart for the,...they will have to live and die with their failure to stop this...

god help them!

if he will..

huggies..Maggie..your family has had to make the worst kind of SACRIFICE..A SACRIFICE NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO MAKE...


HUGGIES HUGGIES...FLY
:hug: :hug: :hug: :cry: :hug:

[keopeli]

18. Sounds as if you are yet another apologist for the Iraq War and the Democrats who support it.

I'm so chagrined at the number of voices on DU that think the Democrats "did all they could" and that they really oppose the war even though they are voting to fund it.

Today's decision will lose the 08 election for the Dems - mark my words. The Democrats have caved to the Republics and you seem to think that's ok.

I don't mind that you support the Iraq War and the Iraq War Democrats, but I doubt your reasoning and excuses, that Dems oppose the war even though they are voting FOR it, will appeal to many here at DU.

Here's a message from Matthew 23

(27) Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
(28) So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness...
(33) You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?

[David Zephyr]

21. You don't know me very well, but I'll let your comments pass.

A simple search of my posts here at the DU for one year leading up to this wicked war would reveal to you my consistent sentiments about the war. My antiwar efforts go clear back to the 1960's when I organized against the War in Vietnam in Texas, of all places.

Pelosi and Reid are hardly Gephardt and Daschle. They will have the last say regarding to Bush and you will be proud of them. I understand your anger and hurt.

The truth is that the war is over. Our troops will be coming home. Of course, I wish it were earlier. I wish it had never begun. Pelosi voted against the war. And no one more than Howard Dean stood up against this war from the beginning.

Your quotations from Matthew 23 seem more applicable to the "patriotic" and "religious" Republicans in Congress, but I still understand where you are coming from.

And I still say, take heart. And keep fighting. You helped end this war and it is ending.

[keopeli]

28. I didn't research your posting history, as I'm sure you did not research mine.

An apologist is one who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something. You said, "Don't be discouraged by the actions by the House and Senate with regards to funding the troops and Bush's war... They saw the Democrats trying hard, yet failing to overcome the veto and how they were blocked by the Republicans. Everyone in America knows the truth and that the Democrats did all they can."

That makes you an apologist for the cause of funding the Iraq war without any caveats ensuring an exit strategy, in spite of your history to the contrary. It seems an untenable position. I respectfully suggest to you that it is not I who fails to see that Dems don't support the Iraq War.

This antiquated nursery rhyme helps defend my position.

A man of words and not of deeds
Is like a garden full of weeds
And when the weeds begin to grow
It's like a garden full of snow
And when the snow begins to fall
It's like a bird upon the wall
And when the bird away does fly
It's like an eagle in the sky
And when the sky begins to roar
It's like a lion at the door
And when the door begins to crack
It's like a stick across your back
And when your back begins to smart
It's like a penknife in your heart
And when your heart begins to bleed
You're dead, and dead, and dead indeed.

I hope we can all come together and force an end to this illegal and immoral war.

Peace.

[maggiegault]

34. I Agree With You, 100%

And here's a message from The Department of Defense:

DoD Identifies Army Casualty

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Spc. Andrew R. Weiss, 28, of Lafayette, Ind., died May 3 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle. Weiss was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 5th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.

For more information in regard to this release the media can contact the Fort Hood public affairs office at [phone]; after hours [phone].

*****************
Don't talk to me about how the Democrats did all that they could. They did NOTHING today or any other day to stop the senseless continuing deaths of our soldiers and innocent Iraqis, many of them children.

Political opportunists, all of them, they are all alike. The lunatics are running the asylum and I felt today for the first time that November 2006 meant nothing.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

19. Well said!

Like many here I am disappointed because I would like a clear, definitive win, and IMO it could have been achieved by sending the same bill back, unchanged, again and again.

But unlike many here I don't regard Congressional Democrats as spineless or traitorous or neocons. Anyone who wants to try to convince me otherwise can save themselves the effort. It ain't over till it's over, and it ain't over yet.

[David Zephyr]

Well, thanks. Our fight isn't over, but the GOP will forever own this stupid war.

Knowing Howard Dean is at the helm of the party gives me some solace in all of this.

And you are right, it isn't over until it's over and I want the stake in the vampire's heart at noon when the sun is directly over him.

I know how people feel. But how can anyone suggest that Nancy Pelosi wants our young women and men to die. It's simply not only a lie, but it doesn't serve our cause of ending the war.

Thank you for your kind words. I knew I'd take some poop here, but I know in my heart that those that are mad are only that way because they care about our troops and want them home as much as we do. And I'm proud to stand with them against Bush any day.

[ecstatic]

23. I admire your unrelenting faith and optimism

And ability to spin bad news into potentially good news. I wish I could live in that world.

[bdamomma]

25. or are they putting to much emphasis on this September deadline shit

when the repigs get the report from petreaus, what BS!! what by September they will know whether the surge/escalation is working, and now bush wants more troops by December, yea, he is getting ready for his next war? Those troops need to be home, there will be more wounded and dead and more with PTSD, all for these assholes who never fought in a war before. sigh..........

[Grandrose]

27. Thank you....

for some sanity on DU...I usually love this place, not today!

I have never seen so much whining, hatefulness, unreasonable expectation and spiteful remarks about Nancy and Harry! That is just so wrong on many levels! The Democratic leaders have been in place for 4 months and a small majority...what the hell did people expect with a treasonous Bush/Cheney cabal and rubber stamp repub congress.

I wonder if some of the people posting hysterically are aware of what is really going on! Get a grip people, Bush/Cheney plan to dump the war on Democrats and we cannot let them off the hook by committing political suicide!

You know the drill, msm/Rove spin will be Democrats are killing/endangering the troops, it's all about the 08 campaign, duh!!! We cannot afford to fall in a trap, the American people say they want troops out, I wonder if that's true. Why is no one angry/protesting Bush for the veto?

Please be gentle, I am a senior citizen and bruise easily!:yoiks:

[David Zephyr]

40. I'm a senior citizen, too.

I don't mind be called an "apologist" for war and such. I know who I am and there are many here at the DU who also know that I can hardly be called an apologist for the war. I even opposed invading Afghanistan which I imagine many of those attacking me supported.

My brother came back from Viet Nam and though his body was whole, his heart and mind were never the same. His whole life all these decades later is still defined more by that evil war than anything else. I was pushed out of college in Texas by the dean for organizing a moratorium against that war in 1969. I've paid a big price all of my life for my activism.

What troubles me is that I don't think some here really see how close this country came and still is to fascism, marshall law and suspension of all our liberties. The man in the White House is by any standard a crazy psychopath. Pelosi, Reid and Howard Dean have done a lot in a little over 100 days. Of course, I'd love to seen them sending bill after bill back to be vetoed over and again, but in the end he still has his war, doesn't he?

Americans know that the Democrats are trying to stop the war. And the troops now know it, too. And I am optimistic that the darkest period of this administration is behind us. And that our troops will be coming home. Soon enough? No. But they are coming home. Thanks for your comments.

[annabanana]

45. There are angry people, hurt feelings, feelings of betrayal

and there are also the. . . .others, who would dishearten us and tear us apart...

[Grandrose]

54. Sorry I was not clear....

I love this place and would never want to dishearten or tear apart the people here! I absolutely hate the war and despise the Bush administration for what they are doing to our country! I have shed tears for the lives of the fallen and want the living brought home yesterday!

Perhaps it's my African American background and living through the 60's, that has given me a different perspective and appreciation that a change will come, but not always when you want it. When I remember the civil rights movement and Viet Nam, I wonder how we survived, not to mention the deaths and assassinations!

I know it's a cliche, but it is always darkest...before dawn! :)

[Lost4words]

30. The Indians have just cut my throat and you say the Calvary is coming!

So what, who cares, what difference does it make anymore!? I am ashamed to call myself a democrat.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me for my entire adult life, shame on me.

8643

[Scout]

31. I really, really, hope you are right ... but I'm also afraid to get my hopes up n/t

[mmonk]

33. Trust is earned. I'm not there yet.

I think the impeachment is off the table announcement right before the election took me where I am.

[ecstatic]

38. Yes, because we were told to shut up and wait and see the brilliant

plan that Pelosi&Co. had in store. We were told to shut up and wait. To be patient. We waited. AND THIS IS THE RESULT!!!??? WTF... that's why so many people here are ANGRY AS HELL!!!

[liberal N proud]

35. They are playing Russian Roulette with the soldiers lives

And they are paying for the carnage with billions of dollars that could do some good elsewhere.

[ChiciB1]

43. But Who Are "They" Who Will Be Blamed???

HOPE, TRUST & KARMA are just a few things I've lost since this horror has begun, however given how so wickedly they SPIN every word that is uttered, is it not unreasonable to see that the Democrats could EASILY get tarred for everything that has gone wrong in Iraq??

I say keep the pressure on, keep sending bills, keep hitting them and pushing them but steer clear of the MUCK!! What good answers are there?? There are NOT ENOUGH votes in the Senate, that's the bottom line and Mr. Lie "Jomentum" was going to bail too so what could have been done??

I heartily agree that the WAR should come to an end like YESTERDAY, but there IS a plus here. Maybe NOT for those who have been "elected" because many will NOT want them re-elected, but America HAS turned against this War and the action OR inaction of the Democrats will raise the ire of many many more. But IF Democrats dug a grave for themselves it will soon be evident. It IS really a Kabuki Dance and I know one thing for sure, I wouldn't want to be The Idiot right now no matter how much it seems he may have won. He LOST a long time ago... he just doesn't have the strength to admit it. He never will, so let him be tarred! I wish so much worse for him myself and I don't like saying things like that because it only proves how cynical I've become. But I don't want a "stone" to replace where my "heart" belongs.

People may FINALLY realize that it's time to REVOLT! People may finally begin to see that "We" have to take our country back! Too many Americans have been asleep for far too long, let them get as mad as we have been, let them finally REALIZE that it just might come to REVOLUTION of some sort or another!!

IT IS TIME... So regardless whether Democrats pay by losing their seat in Congress, maybe it will simply come down to the fact that a THIRD Party will be formed. I don't know, but I do know that most "boils" burst when they can't take any more!

[liberal N proud]

70. How long do we keep telling ourselves that this is good because it will be bad for the republicons?

How may people must die for that cause? How many billions must be spent? How much more can this battered nation take? She is going under by the bow as we speak?

The time to lay and watch the blame fall where it belongs is long past. The time for action is now! The Democratic lead Congress must do everything in their power to stop a mad man from destroying what is left of the republic.

[ChiciB1]

78. I Surely WISH I Could Answer Your Question... Believe Me I Am One Who

has marched against this War each time I have been able. I also agree with all that you say, but I DON'T TRUST BFEE! I would think it's extremely apparent all that THEY have done and will STILL DO!

Simply having Democrats sticking their necks out ISN'T going to STOP them, they won't even turn over EMAILS for crying out loud! I too am upset with how this is going down, but as I said before I DON'T know what the answer is. I do agree that Democrats should keep the pressure on and my preference would be that they send another bill up again! As one who has signed petition after petition, made call after call to Congress and joined many many organizations because of these EVIL CORRUPT people, I am truly distressed. I'm NOT giving them a pass by any means, but I must admit that I have entertained the notion that The Idiot WANTS the Democrats to take drastic measures just so HE won't have to be held accountable.

I've said so many many times that that I myself am ready for a REVOLUTION because I can't see any other way to make them understand. It's really sad that we have to get so worked up and angry that we have lost all HOPE! Once again, it's "We The People" and if Democrats cant get it done, then WE MUST!

Maybe it's because of where I live that makes me feel this way... I've seen too much corruption and know no other way to act. I live in a county that still has a contested House race and I KNOW it was FRAUD... I just KNOW it! The only way I will ever believe otherwise is if they actually SHOW me otherwise and have REAL proof to back it up! If it has happened locally to this extent it's very easy for me to see that BFEE has so much more backing and cannon fodder to fight with and will go to ANY lengths to RUIN ANYONE in their way!

Just how I see it, and it's is more than OUTRAGEOUS, and yet far too many STILL support their local Repuke Congressman and Representative even when they KNOW they have perpetrated this travesty upon this once great country! Prayers aren't going to help any situation, it's going to take an UPRISING! IMO!

[azurnoir]

42. There is something else here

Lieberman, this man threatened to vote with the pukes over the war, if he does Ms Goodling can sing like a bird and it will be meaningless, so there is a trade off not a pretty one either, hbowever by next October or September the DoJ hearings will be over and then we can get to the war. Mean while Gee thanks to the people of Connecticut who voted this turkey in, the war dead on their heads as well (sorry to any Du people from there)

[David Zephyr]

50. Lieberman holds our party's "majority" in the Senate in his warmongering hands.

Thank you for your post.

I guess that some here don't seem to get it that his threat to jump ship every other day publicly (no telling how often he does it to Reid privately) over the War is not an idle one. Should Lieberman join up with the GOP, then the people who started this war will be back in control once again of the Senate and there will be no Henry Waxman holding hearings, no Patrick Leahy sending subpoenas to the White House, no putting generals under oath, no nothing.

And the war would be expanded into Iran in a heartbeat. A heartbeat.

So cutting off your nose to spite your face is hardly the way to end the war and bring the troops home.

Your post is greatly appreciated.

[yurbud]

44. are you fucking nuts? it is cowardice or complicity

[DefenseLawyer]

46. We will have "our day"?

What about all the kids that get killed in the desert between now and "our day"? When exactly is their day?

[mtnester]

47. Here is all ANYONE in central Ohio knows today . . .

gas went from 3.16 to 3.51 at around 2:00 PM today.

THAT is all anyone is talking about . . . anywhere. All other news, information and gossip got run over by this little tidbit. Do they know anything here about the supplemental spending cave in? No. All they know right NOW is that they are about to get robbed at the end of a fuel pump with no WAY to avoid it.

[deutsey]

51. That and immigration

Wasn't there a survey that showed that a relatively sizable number of Americans don't even know who Cheney is?

[KoKo]

48. Thanks, David. Some of us are kind of down tonight after being UP...

Who knows. But, thanks for the encouragement. It's needed tonight.

:hug:

[David Zephyr]

52. Well, thank you, KoKo01.

Today wasn't a shining moment, but it was obvious from the first that we'd never get the few Republicans it would take to overide his veto. He gets his crummy bill and he will sign his war on for a few more months...

and the American people are looking at him now with great disdaing and growing anger.

Thanks for kind words. I can smell Bush's political blood. He's a goner and the GOP will soon be like Brutus to him as they try to distance themselves from him

Our troops will be coming home.

[Swamp Rat]

53. How are we in New Orleans to be consoled?

They fund a war to kill people at the expense of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.

We need those billions for levees RIGHT NOW!

All but one of the new water pumps sold to us by Jeb Bush's former business partner are DEFECTIVE!!!

Our levees cannot handle a CAT 2 storm!!!

Many feel like the end is near for us in NOLA, with such a bad hurricane season coming.

We are un-consolable.

[babylonsister]

56. I don't know what to say, Swampie, but your post makes me

hurt. I saw the predictions today, and am aware of the inadequacy of the levees. This admin sucks for so many reasons not even known yet. :grr:

:hug:

[David Zephyr]

58. You are not consoled.

For me, New Orleans was worst than the attacks of 9/11. Worse.

I grew up on the Gulf Coast (Galveston) and my dad, a great fan of Huey Long, took us to Baton Rouge and New Orleans every summer. I've been there since Katrina and so has my daughter. It is stark and it is nearly impossible to believe it until you see it.

God, what a mess this psychopath has wrought on the planet. And he still has a long time left.

Swamp Rat, I think it was Katrina, more than the war, more than the corruption, the Enrons and all the rest that shook the country up about the bastard in the White House. That was the turning point. Although I am not supporting John Edwards, I thought he chose the best place to announce his candidacy there in N.O.

I guess that I am defensive about the Democrats because I know how narrow their margin is in the Senate with Joe Lieberman threatening to bolt every other day to Harry Reid. And I believe that they are doing a far better job than when Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle gave Bush his war.

[mzmolly]

55. And it's not over yet. We gave funds for four months. We'll be backing a bill by Murtha

in July that sets a deadline.

[Terri S]

57. I remember reading the post 'My brother was killed in Iraq today'

and thought... there it is. I know what I felt. It wasn't my brother...but it WAS! And that's the bottom line. Every second this war has gone on, a brother has been killed in Iraq. Every time someone talks about 'enough votes' or political strategy it proves that that hasn't hit home for enough people. Yesterday my brother was killed in Iraq. Today my brother was killed in Iraq. And as long as this goes on tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow.... my brother will be killed in Iraq.

Does that make it a little clearer??

[Harper_is_Bush]

59. "Everyoen in American knows the truth....Democrats did all they can"...you're dreaming..

Check this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x942932

Democrats on DU are condeming their leadership in the harshest of ways...without the benifit of reason IMO.

[MadHound]

60. Wow, that's just breathtaking!

I haven't seen that much spin since I used to play with gyroscopes.

The Dems and their leadership have failed to protect this country, constitution, and we the people, both when they were in the minority and now that they are in the majority. They have opted instead to "keep their powder dry" time after time, playing politics with people's lives. Not only did many vote for the IWR, but continued to support it, with not the hint of a protest vote. Now that they are in the majority, they have the power in their hands to end this war, yet they refuse to take that step, fearing what their corporate masters would say, afraid for their own political lives while in Iraq people are losing their real flesh and blood lives.

This is intolerable, this betrayal! The Dems were put into majority positions with one overarching mandate, and that was to end this war by any means necessary. Yet even before this congress was seated, Pelosi and the Dem leadership had taken both impeachment and defunding the war off the table.

You speak with unwarranted enthusiam of some promised victory, but it is simply not going to happen. The means to ending this war has been within the grasp of the Dems since they first were seated, yet they refuse to use it. And people die and suffer while the politicians play their games.

Yes, this is Bush's war, he pushed for it, he got it, we wouldn't be in Iraq if it wasn't for Bush. However the Dems enabled this madman, and if they had done their primary job duty under a representative democracy, and been the collective voice for their constituents, we would most likely not be in Iraq. And if the Dems would defund the war now, they could end it. But they aren't going to do that, and thus they are complicit, there is blood on their hands also.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Can I have some of whatever you are smoking?

Must be really spin inspiring weed

[puebloknot]

64. When I read something like this, I see before me...

...the faces of the young sons and daughters of my friends and loved ones. I think of my daughter's friend Sarah, who is in Iraq because she needed money to go to college, and "joined up," never imaging her destiny.

I'm sorry. I want to see the GOP falling on their own swords, metaphorically or otherwise, NOW.

I trust people only when they give me solid reasons to trust them. Nothing I've seen from the Dems since November 2006 has inspired trust in me.

I think that anyone who wants to offer the kind of counsel you've given here needs to take a day or a week and walk among the people, studying the faces of all the young people they come across, considering that they could be cannon fodder in the next illegal surge, while we wait and philosphize patiently.

Sorry, no sale! Bush is already disgraced. No joy will come from greater disgrace, or even removal. Too many have died for a criminal cause.

[Hubert Flottz]

65. I think you're right.

If the democrats had been able to cut the money off it would have been a political disaster in the long run. The GOPers would have blamed us for the war being "LOST". It was hard to stomach...but I think they did the right thing. Now Bush has his way...but Bush owns this war!

[opihimoimoi]

68. I will stand with you Brother on the Wall...got my spear and sword....

Bush will go down in the long term....taking with him the GOP....and their sinister Blk Op Brn Shirts....

[Hubert Flottz]

69. Bush and his BrownShorts have a lot to answer for.

Every life lost in Iraq is Bush's fault...that's the bottom line. The GOP owns this "War President."

EDIT...the war SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED, before March of 2003.

[Virginia Dare]

73. I'll take it a step further and tinfoil hat on this...

it could have been even more distastrous for the troops, do you think for a minute they wouldn't try to cook up some "horrible tragedy" in Iraq and then lay it on the Democrats for defunding the war?

[Hubert Flottz]

74. I don't think there is any doubt that the Bushies will do anything to

get their way. Including mass murder.

[Virginia Dare]

76. I think they already have...n/t

[ChiciB1]

79. That's Basically My Point... It BELONGS TO HIM! He Is The Real

"Butcher Of Baghdad!" I NEVER thought those words would come out of MY mouth, but these people have earned every Evil Epitaph we utter! I've tried so very very hard to make too many others to "see the light!"

I'll say it again, when the soldiers in Iraq finally REVOLT... the END it near, no matter the outcome!! They may be ALL VOLUNTEER, but I'm betting they still will have a breaking point!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

66. David, do you write for the Onion? eom

[Robbien]

67. Could any post be any more full of cow patties

or irony.

Such a sad party is that which is called Democratic.

[madokie]

71. There's so much comfort in knowledge

I just know what you say is right

[GeorgeGist]

72. They're folding like a house of cheap cards.

They too shall pass away from great power.

:freak:
:nuke:

[lonestarnot]

75. bullshit they did all they can. IMPEACH!

[The Stranger]

77. They withrdrew opposition to the Iraq war funding and gave the okay for another illegal war in Iran.

RALPH NADER WAS RIGHT.