Republicans hand 5,000,000 unemployed their death sentences. Want more TSA scandals instead?

[RedCloud]

This is what happens when you get snookered into the demagogue's game of bait and switch. We are obfuscating something that will happen to over 5,000,000 people, (starvation, etc) which I think should be the major story.

Yes it is intrusive that some stranger may get inappropriate with one's genital region under the auspice of national security.

Perhaps it's an old joke gone awry...

Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to get frisked?

In any event we need to focus on the soon to be dead at the hands of Republican cruelty. Is this family values? (vs. jewels?) Is this even American to let your neighbors starve to death?

The demagogues are probably going to "sell" the ten billion dollars for the unemployed at the cost of over 700,000,000,000 for the wealthy tax bail out. It is time to gird your loins for their outrageous bullshit to fly. How dare they dangle the prospect of the death of millions so that those who live in times of luxury during times of great hardship for the many can have even more luxury. The bottom line is they don't create jobs anymore. They have had a ten year tax bailout and two bogus wars which should have hidden some of the true unemployment under Bush, yet the jobs are not forthcoming. They don't create jobs or wealth. They simply siphon it to foreign shores and pay miserable wages and export POS products that flood our markets with junk that only lasts a few months, if lucky. I say let them do without their hoarding for at least a decade straight.

[LARED]

1. Switch to decaf. nt

[The Doctor.]

5. Right! Outrage has NO PLACE on DU!

Personally, I'm against the deliberate blocking of U/E benefits so the super-rich can have their tax cuts.

You?

[LARED]

25. I'm against hyperbole that makes an important progressive issue

sound like an 12 year is having a temper tantrum.

[TexasObserver]

11. You know we're the Democratic side, right?

Why would you say something only the most right wing commentators would typicially say about this issue?

Other than the GOP stalwarts, who might share your point of view on this?

Anyone in our party?

[catgirl]

14. Does your blood flow?

Or is it frozen? Are you that cold-hearted to mock an OP like this? Do you not
care about other people? Are you always this rude? Does it make you feel good?

I guess you don't know anyone who is in a situation like this? I do. These people
need support, not mockery.

[LARED]

27. Yes, no, no, yes, no,yes

yes.

I am not not mocking the people I am making the point that saying 5,000,000 are sentenced to death is a silly statement that is not useful.

[backwoodsbob]

28. agreed

it's shit what they are doing but *millions* will not starve to death.

[LiberalEsto]

2. Thank you for putting it so clearly

The situation is very close for me.

One of my husband's brothers is losing his unemployment this month and will have to move in with his elderly father, in a senior community more than an hour away from his sons who live with their mother. He's a computer programmer who can't find work due to competition from people who come to the US with H1-B visas. At the moment he's making minimum wage stocking shelves at Toys'R'Us for the holidays. It won't pay the rent, and I don't know if he'll be able to keep this mini-job if he moves 60-70 miles away.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. It's important that people who are able to, die with huge sums of

money and treasure so they can afford 72 virgins in the afterlife.

[The Doctor.]

4. For every dollar taken from social programs, prepare to spend two on police and prisons.

I have a friend who is at the end of her U/E ins. She has been sucked in by wingnut radio, believes Rush and Beck, and has been so filled with rage I no longer recognize her.

I'm just in absolute disbelief that so many are so easily swindled.

[iamjoy]

18. Oh, Bullcrap

they are not going to spend more on police and prisons just because they cut social programs now. Sheesh.

They are going to privatize our prisons, selling them to the lowest bidder who can provide incarceration services more cheaply. Just build more tent city prisons - if you must have buildings rather than tents, don't run the a/c in the summer and only turn on the heat when it gets below 30 degrees. Serve the prisoners oatmeal for breakfast, peanut butter or cheese sandwiches for lunch and beans and rice for dinner. Heck, maybe cut it down to two meals a day to save money.

[Hydra]

32. *lmao*

You missed the point entirely. It's like when they offshore to sweatshops. Labor costs go down, profits skyrocket, and the cost of the product remains the same.

The same will happen when they privatize the prisons and the police. No bid Halliburton or Blackwater for billions, while the prisoners will be in tent cities drinking dirty water(It's good enough for our soldiers, right?).

2 v 1 cut is probably just about right, assuming it isn't higher.

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[catgirl]

12. And your thoughts about the actual OP message?

People will suffer because of the GOP? Any thoughts?

[catgirl]

10. Wow, that's your reply to this situation?

Grow a heart. The OP is about people who are suffering everyday, or will be. Talk about
trying to derail an important topic.

What IS your opinion of the GOP and THEIR "self aggrandizing"? Anything?

[n2doc]

7. Perhaps they should have voted

Until people realize that the republicans want them to die/go away, and stop voting for tea partiers or not voting at all, then they will keep getting screwed. I am just fed up with folks in places like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voting in republicans, they get what they deserve.

[TBF]

9. Well you can try to control the dialogue - but most of us can think about more than one thing

at a time. And right now we have multiple things to be outraged at, so you're going to definitely read about them on a discussion board. Unfortunately for partisans the outrages are coming from both sides of the aisle.

[catgirl]

13. This should be the headline of the day

Unfortunately "angry people" bring up everything BUT what the GOP is doing to our country.

I for one, will work even harder to take back seats from these heartless thugs.

[WhiteTara]

15. thanks RedCloud

that's very clear and would make a great letter to your editor. You might want to add your congress critter's info so the readers can do something.

[MineralMan]

16. An excellent point. There's much more going on than

this TSA story, and much of it is far more important to far more people.

[billlll]

17. unemployed millions.... scare folks out of striking for decent wages

Ancient LW motto

Still a dynamic today

[billlll]

19. WPA needed

a new WPA is what we need. The "Private Sector" is moving to India

Even burger flipping can be done with an internet-using guy in India using, here, robotic arms like those that weld cars. A surgeon overseas did a surgery here using robotic arms. EVERY job here can run to india this way.

The only jobs that will stay HERE... The only GOOD jobs.... are WPA and Co-op jobs. The Private Sector is moving to India.
---------------------
Permanent WPA = ZERO unemployment forever

repair what the GOP neglected since '80

-Fix decayed bridges ( one-third of all),.....
- do what WPA did in '30's - build housing! - for those now foreclosed on and evicted... and for the homeless........ then
-fix water mains (source of soil bacteria... also can leave firefighters without pressure to save your house... plus end boil water alerts), ......
-hire back a third of our cops,
-hire back food inspectors (end e coli ) and
-hire back air traffic controllers,
-fix potholes,
-repair school buildings,
-resume providing free textbooks to EVERY student (and supplies as well),
- re-seperate recently "consolidated" massive schools, then cut class sizes and rehire teachers for the smaller classes, .... -rehire school crossing guards (a kid killed in my town),
-replace ended curbside letter drop-boxes in every area,
-reopen and vastly upgrade state asylums,
-and.... (Yes!) rehire clerks at the DMV to end these new long waits for paperwork to get done there (ditto ALL the agencies where clerk jobs were massively slashed by the GOP ax to support tax cuts for the rich).

Clean up the GOP mess and pull us out of this GOP recession at the same time.

Michael Moore and Robert Reich just called for a new WPA

See site of " JOBS FOR ALL", at link below....
the site's Advisory Board -----------

Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor

2 Nobel Laureates - see below

John Kenneth Galbraith, (deceased) Harvard

Pete Seeger, Folk-singer

Cornel West, Princeton Univ.

J Nadler, US Congress, House 

Weakland, Archbishop of Milwauke
----------------------------
--- late advisers

Nobel Prize - Herbert Simon - Economics

Nobel Prize - William Vickrey - Economics - advocates "chock-full" employment

Rudolf Meidner, architect of Swedish full-employment welfare state
--------------------------
Member Organizations (In formation)
-Americans for Democratic Action     
-Unitarian-Universalist Service Committee 
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Why would you ever accept ANY job shortage ... ever? Before the RW lied its way into power in the early '90's, Sweden usually kept unemployment below 2%. We can also do that.

As Michael Moore foresees it --

"THE GOVERNMENT IS HIREING"

( Sounds good ! )

-national JOBS FOR ALL coalition.. site--

http://www.njfac.org

[Obamanaut]

34. Dems took control of the House in Jan 2007, and became the majority

in the Senate two years later, and even moved into the White House. Spending bills originate in the House, IIRC, and the Speaker has the handle on which bills get to the floor.

As to the list in your message block, there has been time to make inroads into all, or most, of those items. What happened, other than spending a lot of time planning for reelection and getting the pesky problem of louder volume on tv commercials fixed?

[gordianot]

20. Maybe there is a connect when they have to frisk the unemployed.

Hungry people who are used to eating often become angry people. Just saying

[bvar22]

21. In 2008,

The American People gave the Democratic Party:

*a BIG majority in the Senate

*An even bigger MAJORITY in The House

*The White House

*And most importantly, a HUGE Popular Mandate for "CHANGE".

So HOW is this the fault of the GOP? :shrug:

Maybe if we really want to solve the problem, we should be looking closer to home.

---bvar22
a loyal Democratic Party member for over 44 years,
who voted straight ticket in every single election,
NOW wondering how things went so wrong.


"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone

[Monique1]

24. Just maybe. just maybe

our side should have voted.

[bvar22]

26. Our side DID vote.

The current Congress IS the one we voted IN in 2008.

[HughBeaumont]

30. I think this kind of explains it . . .

[Uzybone]

22. DU has lost all grip

[avaistheone1]

23. Bullshit.

There are multiple issues that have to be fought right now. Fighting the TSA invasion of our personal privacy is one of the paramount ones, and so is the expiration of unemployment.

Why do you feel threatened by the TSA fight as well?

[JNelson6563]

29. It's a sad state of affairs.

My guess is that those acting as though the TSA crap is the the worst thing facing this country are pretty snug and comfy in their world. Those of us on the brink of utter ruin take a different view. We wish we had the means to even consider taking a flight.

Julie

[WinkyDink]

31. I beg seriously to differ. Perhaps YOU cannot consider both issues simultaneously.

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. Some of us successfully multi-task and can care about more than one thing at a time.

But thank you for playing.