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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:27 PM
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Q: How many children fly alone during the holidays due to divorced parents?
A: a LOT.

If you ARE planning on keeping holiday flight plans, can you at least take notice of any children around you who appear to be traveling alone? Make sure they are able to keep their dignity and are treated with the respect they deserve?

Mine used to travel alone when they were younger - but the security bullshit was NEVER like this................
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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:31 PM
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1. OMG that's right. It's was bad enough seeing the child go through that strip search with his
father (at least you think it was his father or a male ralative.) A child having to go through that alone.


:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:50 PM
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27. Parents accompany their kids through security. They don't have to go through it alone
They don't just drop their kids off at the curb and drive away. You take your child (at least) through security before handing them over to a designated airline employee who becomes responsible for them. Parents can, and do, get a gate pass from the airline to accompany their minor to the gate where they are supposed to wait until the plane takes off.

No, they don't have to go through security alone.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:36 PM
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35. That's right. My son has to travel overseas (Czech Republic) to see his father.
He's 13 and doesn't need an escort, but I'm still allowed to see him to the gate.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:32 PM
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2. How in the world would it be possible to make sure the children
are able to keep their dignity. Parents who travel with their own children can not prevent these children from being x-rayed or patted down. How do you expect people to be able to do something for unrelated children?
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:38 PM
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5. Speak up? Film an incident with your cellphone? Find the child after security and offer to call
their parent? I guess it would depend on the situation.....

Or just do nothing. Wouldn't want to draw any undue attention from 'the Man' anyway, right?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:35 PM
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3. Hey Sonny !!! --- MR HAND is going touch your Winkie
The new TSA job description "Handling Privates"
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:37 PM
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4. Um... even when they fly solo, parents bring them to the gate and through security.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:39 PM
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6. The younger ones are escorted individually by members of an airline
Edited on Sun Nov-21-10 12:40 PM by stray cat
at all moments of their flight. They usually do a phenomenal job and don't get appropriate credit for taking care of other people's children
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 12:46 PM
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7. Right, and the parent(s) still escorts child to the gate.
Edited on Sun Nov-21-10 12:49 PM by PeaceNikki
Jesus Christ, get a grip, people. You don't just drop the kid at the curb and drive off.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:12 PM
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8. Exactly. Unrec. You don't drop off your kid at the curb and drive away
You walk them to, and (used to be) through, security, though haven't had a young child for a while. Then they assigned a airline staff member to take them to the gate, watch over them, make sure they get on the flight, etc.

They aren't dropped off to get checked in, go through security, get to the right place on their own. Good grief.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:14 PM
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10. My son was FOURTEEN and they made me sit at the gate with him until he boarded the plane.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:27 PM
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How did you get through security and to the gate without a boarding pass??
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:28 PM
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14. They give you a gatepass. It's not that uncommon.
My BIL and dad recently got one when dropping off/picking up my sister with 2 children under 3 years-old. She needed help.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:26 PM
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12. Since 9/11, NOBODY goes through security without a valid boarding pass.
At least at every airport I've been through.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:27 PM
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13. Bullshit. It's called a gatepass and they give it to parents/guardians with kids flying solo
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:34 PM
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16. Never heard of it. But then I don't have kids, nor want them.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:37 PM
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17. Gate passes can be issued to assist elderly, disabled, children, etc.
Edited on Sun Nov-21-10 01:40 PM by PeaceNikki
The ticket counter will issue one with a valid reason. They aren't as uncommon as you think. As I said upthread, my sister was travelling with a 16 month old and an almost 3 year-old. This meant tons of luggage, car seats, strollers, etc. My BIL got one to help her on the plane and my dad to pick her up.

In the case of unaccompanied minors, all airlines REQUIRE the adult get one. Example: http://www.spiritair.com/Policiesspecialneeds.aspx
Gate Passes
All Unaccompanied Minors must check in at the ticket counter (see Guidelines / Conditions below). The person bringing and picking up the Unaccompanied Minor must obtain a gate pass at the ticket counter.
Electronic Gate Passes are only provided for an escort of an Unaccompanied Minor and for people who require assistance. They are not issued to anyone who requests a gate pass – there must be a valid reason. TSA requirements/security restrictions may vary based on the airport.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:41 PM
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20. PeaceNikki...
don't confuse them with facts. ;-)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:45 PM
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23. Good to use things like this to educate people. Unless you've been involved with
needing a gate pass, you may not know about them.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:46 PM
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25. True
I've learned a lot on DU throughout the years.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:30 PM
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15. It is called a gate pass, get it from the airline check in counter for parents
I have gotten them several times, they allowed me to accompany my minor through security to the gate where I waited 'til the plane was in the air.

First time I watched that fragile metal tube taxi away with my child on it was very very very difficult.

Typically they give a pass to 1 parent but you can sometimes talk them into giving to 2.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:43 PM
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22. I had to escort my elderly mother to the gate several times in the last 9 years. You give them
an i.d. and they give you a pass to get through security. So you're incorrect.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:07 PM
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31. Not so. My wife get's a gatepass whenever her 82-yo mother flies
alone. It's no big deal. They both go through the security screening. You don't have your facts correct.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:38 PM
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36. Not the case if you are seeing unaccompanied minors off--
and the excorts go through the procedures just like passengers.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:12 PM
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9. I don't think young children should travel alone.
But, that's another topic I suppose.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:14 PM
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11. How young do you mean? Airlines have rules about unaccompanied minors.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:39 PM
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18. Parents are permitted to go through security checkpoints with minors...
all they have to do is request a pass at the airport ticket counter.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:40 PM
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19. Not permitted, but required, even.
Edited on Sun Nov-21-10 01:44 PM by PeaceNikki
United's policy:
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,1052,00.html
Unaccompanied minors must be brought to the departure airport by a parent or responsible adult (such as a relative, family friend or camp counselor) who must remain at the airport until the child boards and the aircraft departs the gate. This individual must provide evidence that another parent or responsible adult will meet the child at his or her destination.

Frontier:
http://www.frontierairlines.com/frontier/plan-book/travel-info-services/family-pets/unaccompanied-minors.do
You'll need to escort your child to the gate and wait until the aircraft has taken off before you leave the airport.

American:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInformation/specialAssistance/childrenTraveling.jsp
Remain with unaccompanied minors until the child is boarded on the flight and the flight has departed the gate.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:42 PM
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21. Yes
Are you an airline employee? Just curious.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:46 PM
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24. No, I just have a son who has traveled unaccompanied.
And I have a sister on the other side of the country who travels with 2 small kids.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:33 PM
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33. Unaccompanied minor policies depend on age
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:48 PM
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26. when parent first takes in, they can walk thru security with child. there is that. nt
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:50 PM
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28. Not "can", they are REQUIRED to bring them through security and to the gate.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:58 PM
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29. It is required. Thanks, again. Also, someone upthread said airline personnel...
can stay with the unaccompanied minor 'at all times.' This is not quite true.

I hate to split hairs, but the parents are not only required to take minor to the gate area and stay with them until boarding; but the parent(s) picking up the child must get a pass and go through security to MEET the unaccompanied minor AT THE GATE (at the child's destination) too.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:03 PM
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30. Yes, this OP is ridiculous because the issue is the same
whether an adult boards the plane with the child or not.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:20 PM
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32. That may have been me and they are required IF no parent/guardian
They switched arrival gates at the last minute on me once, meaning I wasn't there to meet the plane. An airline person accompanied my child to security looking for me as I ran from one end of the airport to another. True it was arrival, but in case a plane is detoured somewhere else, or returns to gate and parent left, then an airline person MUST stay with the child until a parent/guardian can be found.

Again, speaking from experience. IF a parent/guardian isn't there, then an airline person must stay with minor.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:34 PM
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34. That's where the unaccompanied minor fee really pays off
Unexpected gate changes, weather, mechanical...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:42 PM
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38. Yes, indeed--and my son (13) flies internationally.
He hates the escort, but when his flight got rerouted thru Germany, he finally saw the wisdom of it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:40 PM
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37. Exactly--and this thread is giving me a headache, I'm afraid.
Keep fighting the good fight, though, PN. :thumbsup:
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