You wanna compromise?

[Klukie]

Okay....How about we take the average of the top marginal tax rate from 1970 (70%)and 2010 (35%) and make that figure the new top marginal tax rate. 52.5% sounds like a great compromise to me.


If you you are wondering what I gave up...well that would be the additional percentages gained if I would have based that average on the 1963 rates.

[daleanime]

1. Works for me...

:evilgrin:

[TheKentuckian]

2. Now thats change I can believe in!

[emulatorloo]

3. How are you going to get Republicans to vote for that?

The sad state of affairs is the Senate voted on Middle Class Only taxcuts last Saturday. It failed, they did not have the votes.

Republicans have dug their heels in, they don;t care about what is good for the country - their agenda is destroy Democrats, consolidate their power, and work for the donors of the COC and Rove's AMERICAN CROSSROADS.

[Klukie]

8. I am trying to enhance the discussion

If we allow them to define the terms then we get nothing. We must stand for what we believe in.

[emulatorloo]

15. But there is no way to pass legislation in the Senate without some Republican votes

I'd personally like to go back to Nixon rates of 70%

It is not that they are defining the terms it is that we don't have the votes.

[jorae28]

4. Pelosi has the power to deny a floor vote

Mrs. Pelosi has the power to deny a floor vote and hand the
let the Bush Tax Breaks die a natural death...

EMAIL...http://www.speaker.gov/contact/

TELL HER TO KILL THE BILL

Contact Us
Office of the Speaker
[phone]

Let's give repubugs a reason to hate her

[elias49]

6. Sure. Then you and I get no tax relief

I make well under $100,000 a year. I, personally, am glad that my reduced tax rate is being extended.

[emulatorloo]

True - We spend every dollar we get back on goods and services. Local if we can/

[badtoworse]

5. Does anyone have a serious proposal?

Does it make any sense to propose things the other side is going to laugh at? Does it make sense to even discuss them on this board?

[Klukie]

7. Yes ....it makes perfect sense...

It helps to create a truthful perception of the issue which allows us to go to the table and get what we want. If we aim low we get nothing.

[badtoworse]

9. In the real world, you have to deal with political reality...

and from that standpoint, your idea is ridiculous. I doubt the other side would even bother making a counteroffer - they would laugh at you and walk away. The reality is that we don't have the time to deal with ideas that the other side will reject out of hand and we don't have the votes to make it happen unilaterally.

How about proposing something that both sides can buy into? Whether you like it or not, the Repubs are not going to vote for something that has nothing in it for their constituency. If nothing happens, the people who can least afford it will be hurt the most and they are our constituents.

[Klukie]

10. This isn't for them...(the politicians)

This is to garner support from the masses...which will put pressure on the political douchebags! Oh and I live in the real world..everyday. maybe it is time for political reality to get in line with everyday reality.

[badtoworse]

11. Knock yourself out, but please...

stay out of the way of those who are actually trying to solve a serious problem. You are just ginning up anger and at this point there is more than enough to go around. Seriously, this is not helping.

[Klukie]

12. You and your types will only serve to place a band-aid on a gushing wound

Maybe you need to step aside my friend.

[badtoworse]

14. And you are not going to accomplish anything at this point

The time for this was last summer, before the election. It's time for the Purists (like you) to accept political reality: We don't have the political muscle to win this and neither do the repubs. A stalemate hurts the people who can least afford it, so the only reasonable thing at this point is to make a deal. A deal means you get some things and you give up some things.

Have you ever actually negotiated anything?

[Klukie]

16. The time is now because we are discussing it now!

And yes....I am the master of negotiation because I have two kids who test my skills on a daily basis, but I always remember that I am the adult and I have to be fair and I always have to search for the truth of the situation. In the end, I refuse to negotiate with things that I know that are harmful to them. If that makes me a purist then I wear the badge with honor. Don't try and demonize the word like the pubs did with liberal. We should all strive to be purists when it comes to the truth of a situation.

[Selatius]

13. Anger might actually break the log jam. Politicians move when their seat is on fire.

It was one reason why Viet Nam ended.

[emulatorloo]

17. Republicans know as well as you and I do that they have no "Mandate" for top 2% cuts

They don't care. They have their agenda (destroy Dems, consolidate power, give the country to the rich). They aren't "shame-able".

I have gone round and round on this kind of stuff with my Republican Senator. He simply does not care, all he cares about is following the McConnell Plan to Destroy Obama and Enrich the Rich People.