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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:48 AM
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Why Are the Feds Cultivating Their Own "Homegrown Terrorists"?



Why Are the Feds Cultivating Their Own "Homegrown Terrorists"?
ColorLines / By Seth Freed Wessler

December 12, 2010 | The FBI caught another homegrown terrorist this week, except like many recent plots the agency has “uncovered,” the attack was a plant, a plan concocted by the FBI itself. It’s the latest in a growing number of terrorism plots that the FBI stirs up by infiltrating communities and helping to devise attack plans. The practice raises serious questions about the government’s implementation of it’s ongoing war on terror.

The recent case involves 21-year-old from Baltimore named Antonio Martinez, who’d reportedly converted to Islam, changed his name to Muhammad Hussain and planned to blow up a bomb outside a military recruitment center in Baltimore. None of the plot, however, existed before the FBI instigated it and Martinez had no contact with any real terrorist organization.

The FBI deployed an informant to pose as an accomplice by adding Martinez as a friend on Facebook and communicate with him through Facebook messages. Martinez reportedly updated his status with comments about his devotion to Jihad. Once the young man had been identified as a target, the FBI informant helped imagine and orchestrate the plot, and supplied Martinez with a fake bomb and a vehicle to transport it. After he attempted to detonate the explosive remotely, the FBI arrested Martinez. If convicted of charges, he could face life in prison.

The case is the second since Thanksgiving and one of many more over the past decade, in which the federal government has deployed informants to “catch” terrorists inside the country. It’s all part of the FBI’s wider practice of targeting American Muslims—largely, according to some reports, Muslim converts as well as American born black Muslims. But far from stopping ongoing plots and interrupting “radicalization,” the FBI is fabricating plans, providing the tools to carry out attacks and inciting suspects to do so.

As U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein told the AFP, “There was no actual danger,” because the people posing as accomplices were FBI employees.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:50 AM
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1. Recommend
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:54 AM
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2. Definately file under :wtf: nt
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:59 AM
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3. I hope people keep talking about these stories
I hope they don't get ignored. We need to talk about this, because it is fucked up. We're literally not going after actual terrorists and criminals, we're trying to convince people to become terrorists so that we can arrest them. The question is why would we do this? Are we fulfilling some sort of quota here? What the hell is going on and whose brilliant fucking idea is this? I want answers.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:03 AM
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4. To build the security state
Fear = control
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:30 AM
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7. To justify their existence and like you said, build the security state
Not to get all tinfoil hat-y, but how many terror attacks don't have some fishy smell to them?

The whole War on Terror has been created, both the offense and the profitable Defense.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:36 AM
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8. Don't forget that it's our foreign economic/military policy
That incites terrorism to begin with.

Al Qaeda didn't attack us because they hate our freedom, then attacked us because of what we do in the Middle East. They hold "innocent" American citizens responsible because we vote and pay taxes, and we're responsible for what our government does. We don't hesitate, even in our "legitimate" war efforts, to kill civilians when it's necessary to destroy a target, so why should they?

When 5% of the world's population is doing 50% of the world's military spending, they really should take a close look at their people skills.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:20 AM
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5. our life has become a PK Dick fever dream
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 07:21 AM by crikkett
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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:28 AM
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6. As my wife says: Terrorism is the ultimate Goldstein. It is intangible so it can't
so it can't have a true human face and emotions like Assange. Also They can use this "Boogie-man" for years and still have a grip on the majority of people. It can take on many forms and faces and you will see as this goes on EVERYONE in-time and due course will become the face or terrorism.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:50 AM
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9. Okay. So, some dude urges you to bomb a supermarket. Who do you call to turn him in, al-Qaeda?
Astrophysicists posit that the universe is actually turned inside-out, shaped like a twisted saddle. This proves it.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:20 AM
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12. Um..your local police force?
You know, the guys that exist to protect and serve.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:41 AM
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13. Have the police arrest the Feds and/or CIA?
But, that of course gets to the point here - the use of agents provocateur in counter-terrorism operations, and the lack of oversight and accountability, can have the most disastrous consequences. Witness 9/11.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:39 AM
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10. "The Guy Who Wants to Bomb Something Is Almost Always a Fed"
Was it Abbie Hoffman who said that?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:19 AM
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11. They are trying to create their founders dying wish
that America become a police state controlled by a political 'police' force.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:41 AM
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14. Truly bizarre. Not one of these "busts" has sounded like a credible threat ever existed.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:48 AM
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15. UNDERWEAR BOMBER WAS ANOTHER ONE
sorry I usually don't do all caps but people need to get it through their thick heads that if all organically derived "terrorism" stopped tomorrow, our "intelligence" agencies would manufacture enough of it as was necessary to keep us all cowed and frightened.
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