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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:59 AM
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Nominate this as "Photo of the Day."



Lula and Fidel chatted for more than two hours, covering several issues, according to Brazilian and Cuban media reports.

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Fidel, who is 83, is looking quite well, despite having been declared dead in the past by the Miami Mafia.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 04:22 AM
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1. It's gorgeous! He's getting some fresh air, too. That will help.
Every photo seems to show a more recovered man. That's truly remarkable for the man the gusanos told us died some time ago.

One idiot here has claimed regularly the photos are bogus. I've heard that from the Miami clowns, too.

Remember when they swore the government switched another boy for Elian, as he had longer hair than Elian by the time they took photos of him in Georgetown, or at the Air Force Base, when Elian had just been given a hair cut the day before in Miami, just before he was retrieved from Little Havana?

http://www.rollanet.org.nyud.net:8090/~vbeydler/van/3dreview/rod-serling.gif

I'm going to save your great photo for personal files. Best one yet!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:39 AM
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2. Lulu is really putting it to Obama and H. Clinton--as a result of their utter betrayal
of him on the Honduran coup, I suspect. I think he has always known that the U.S. wouldn't likely changed its stripes, but he must have had some hope, as we all did, and as I'm sure most Latin Americans and their leaders did, that there was some sincerity in Obama's promise of "peace, respect and cooperation" in Latin America, and that, at the least, U.S. policy would improve over Bush Junta wretchedness.

Honduras and the new U.S./Colombian military agreement have made it very clear that U.S. aggression, bullying, domination, coup-making and subversion of democracy continue to be great threats to Latin America. No change. In fact, the CIA seems to have improved its skill set, with Obama's appointment of (old CIA hand, believe me) Leon Panetta--if Honduras is any guide.

The thing that keeps nagging at me--that is difficult to articulate--is this: I feel manipulated by Obama's depressing actions (or is it his lack of power?), as if my disappointment were on schedule, and part of the corpo-fascist narrative that is already being written about him, for the 2012 (s)election of someone worse than Bush. It feels like Germany 1932--the catastrophic failure of the center-left, its inability to govern, which paved the way for Hitler's rise.

Lula da Silva and the other leaders of Latin America's huge--wide and deep--leftist movement cannot act otherwise. They must see to the interests of their own people and their region. Essential to those interests is their assertion of their sovereignty--their right to make their own decisions about foreign policy, and make their own alliances--whether between Brazil and Venezuela, or Brazil and Cuba, or Brazil and Iran--not dictated by the U.S. Lulu has made all three alliances in defiance of U.S. dictates.

Latin America, with its fabulous natural resources, and newly awakened democracy movement, is in a position to become an economic powerhouse. If things go well for them, this will be "their century." The U.S. has run through much of its natural resources--oil, forests and others; its democracy has been gravely damaged; and its corporate rulers and war profiteers have become mean and murderous. They just slaughtered about a million innocent people in Iraq to steal their oil. These kind of actions--corporate resource wars, torture, ripping up the Constitution--are the symptoms of an aging dragon--old, ailing, exceedingly jealous of its power, lashing out with fiery tongues to protect its mountain of gold and precious jewels. And Latin America is like the young "knight in shining armor" whose youthful energy and idealism cause it to ignore the odds and bring the sword of righteousness home against injustice.

They will not tolerate U.S. bullying any more. And this, too, will be lathered into the Obama "failure" narrative to make the installation of a Sarah Palin or a Jeb Bush seem credible in U.S. Illusionland.

I keep wondering about Obama's failure to remove William Brownfield--the bad, bad Bushwhack appointee as ambassador to Colombia. I keep wondering at first-term Senator Jim DeMint (Puke-SC, a Diebold touchscreen state) and his strange power over Obama in Latin America. I keep wondering about all these "Blue Dogs" in Congress and how they got 'elected.' I keep wondering about Obama being set up--being a powerless "liberal" placeholder. And I am very bothered by this. I think about it every time I am compelled to criticize Obama--for actions that very much deserve criticism. Am I being played? Are "we, the people" being played again--but in a different way than before?

I've been puzzling over the election of a rightwing billionaire in Chile, and someone--and I think it was you, rabs--said that it might turn out to be beneficial in the end, and result in a cleaning out of the 'old guard' in Batchelet's socialist party, who have made too many compromises with U.S. "neoliberal" and other policy. I hope that is true--that the billionaire is a one-termer. But I don't have the confidence in our own election system and our democracy to see something like that happening here. Here, things are so manipulated that it is simply not possible any more to elect someone like, say, FDR, who would emerge from a grass roots reform movement of the Democratic Party (or a third party), after an Obama loss. It would be prevented. The corpo/fascist rulers have the capability--the EASY capability--to prevent a reformer in the White House and a reform Congress from being elected. Here, the ascendance of a Palin, or another Bush, or DeMint, would be permanent. It would be the final toll of the bell. We would never recover from it. We do not have control of our vote counting system--our only practical power mechanism as a people. People can outvote the corpo-fascist media, and the rich and the corporate. But they cannot do so if a handful of far rightwing corporations--including one (ES&S, which just bought out Diebold) that now has an 85% lock on voting systems in this country--are 'counting' the votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code and virtually no audit/recount controls.

I look at this picture of Lulu and Fidel, and I'm thinking: That should be our president there, making peace, making up for all the horror our country has inflicted on Latin America, recognizing that Cuba's government has done a lot of good--has supported free education through college, and free health care in an excellent medical system, has 100% literacy and one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. And it exports education and health care--unlike the U.S., which exports torture and war. Our president should be making amends, and joining Latin America in trying to create a more just and peaceful world. But that is not our president, whom Hugo Chavez described as "a prisoner of the Pentagon." That is Lulu--an independent-minded defender of the interests of his own people and his region, whom our Sec of State warned of "the consequences" if he dared to meet with president of Iran. That era is over, wherein the U.S. can dictate policy in Latin America--and it is dismaying that our leaders remain on the course of domination and aggression.

I wish I understood this better--Obama and our dismay at Obama. I wish that it didn't feel scripted.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 11:53 AM
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3. Obama can't bridge the gap.
The howling wind of disinformation would blow him away.

Look at what happens on this tiny forum.

Americans would be inundated with AI, HRW, RsF "reports" on Cuba (all of which are reprinted Cubanet RW propaganda), which would be (and are now) being echoed by corporate talking heads. Batista loving exiles get the front page stories waxing poetically on Cuba before Castro (y'know - all the TV sets, casinos, cars, money for hookers, pimps, United Fruit, etc).








"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."
- Mark Twain











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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:42 PM
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5. Actually, I think he could. The question is, why doesn't he?
People often blame the corpo/fascist media for our corpo-fascist-run government and all of its ills and evils, and there is truth in this. They are very bad. However, Venezuela has had yet viler corpo-fascist media than our own--TV/radio monopolies that openly, nakedly participated in a rightwing military coup attempt--and who savage Chavez 24/7 and are still doing it. Yet Chavez has won every election for president by big majorities--and has won all but one election on legislative seats and issues--and has enjoyed 60% approval ratings, sometimes a bit higher, sometimes a bit lower, throughout his tenure.

So it isn't just the media--and it isn't primarily the media--that is the problem. It is the election system itself, and its transparency in Venezuela and almost complete non-transparency and corporate privatization here. With transparent vote counting, the people can outvote the corpo-fascist media and all the "think tanks" and Washington P.R. firms as well (which have also been busy in Venezuela, via the USAID). The problem is primarily the vote counting system. And it reinforces this view that nearly 60% of the American people opposed the invasion of Iraq--Feb '03, all polls. They have also shown a progressive majority on most other issues. Why is this not reflected in public policy? How is it that someone like Obama--a fairly decent progressive (though, I have to say, on the basis of his statements, not at all a revolutionary--not even close to FDR, for instance)--can be elected (and I think he really was elected), and yet do what he is doing--which, from what I can see, is worse than the Bush Junta on Latin America (and I don't see much at all on which Obama is better than the Bush Junta).

He must know--he must be aware--that the far rightwing can easily toss him out, with a few lines of 'TRADE SECRET' programming code in selected systems (such as the one that produced Jim DeMint--South Carolina--a Diebold touchscreen state, like half the states in the U.S.). How could he or any politician not be aware of this? That is beyond belief. And so, given that they must be aware of it, we have to presume that some prefer it that way, and others feel powerless to address it, and tailor their policies and views accordingly. They serve at the will of far rightwing e-voting corps.

If Obama were a president who did not have binding ropes tied around his hands and legs, he could easily lead the people to a new understanding of Cuba and a new era of "peace, respect and cooperation" in Latin America, as he initially promised. Most people would agree, because it would be a reasonable and fair policy and also because U.S. hostility and aggression in Latin America is costing us billions and billions of wasted dollars. Why not use that money to build something positive? I think Americans are quite reasonable and fair people. I think the majority wants peace and justice. All Obama would have to do is say something like FDR said about Wall Street: "Organized money hates me--and I welcome their hatred!" Obama: "The organized rightwing hates the Cuban government, but I don't find that reasonable or fair. They may hate me for shaking Castro's hand. I welcome their hatred." People would cheer! They would love to be educated by the president, to hear the truth from the president and to see a president stand up to the rightwing "Big Lie" machine--and would love to stop wasting trillions of dollars on Pentagon war plans in Latin America.

However, I think Obama tailored himself early on to what the far rightwing e-voting corps would permit. So he isn't the president who would do this--though he might, deep in his heart, think it is right. And a president who would do it would not be permitted in the White House. It is not possible any more to elect such a president.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:08 PM
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8. Hi.
Venezuela has a far greater percentage of poor and abjectly poor than the US (for now), hence their support for socialism ("Bolivarianism") in the form of Chavez. Plus, Venezuela has open source e-voting that is more accountable to the various monitoring groups of their elections, and Venezuela's elections have been deemed fair.

The US has a large (but quickly shrinking) 2nd and 3rd generation middle class that has been somewhat more insulated from the needs of the poor and in-need of social safety networks, as well as living in a much more materially conscious society than a socially conscious one.

As the shit gets deeper in the US there might be a reemergence of a greater social consciousness, as well as a greater level of empathy with/for our neighbors who might have needed solutions to our problems, and pathways to social security.

'Necessity is the mother of invention.'


Sorry to butt in to your conversation. :hi:




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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 02:51 PM
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6. Even if he wanted to and I've seen no indication that he does. n/t
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 07:05 PM
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12. Obama and Cuba redux


This was posted yesterday by dixiegrrrl in GD forum. Re-posting in case anyone here missed it. Unfortunately the thread sank rapidly in GD.

Once again, Obama has waffled on the issue of Cuba.

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Pres. Obama today continues a state of emergency declared in 1996.
I kid you not.

To the Congress of the United States:

Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)) provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency unless, prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the anniversary date.

In accordance with this provision, I have sent the enclosed notice to the Federal Register for publication, stating that the national emergency declared with respect to the Government of Cuba's destruction of two unarmed U.S.-registered civilian aircraft in international airspace north of Cuba on February 24, 1996, as amended and expanded on February 26, 2004, is to continue in effect beyond March 1, 2010.

Barack Obama.

The White House, February 23, 2010.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7788375


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 09:43 PM
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13. Yup, that is totally ridiculous. nt
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 10:27 PM
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14. So amazing to see this link, after ALL this time. It is stupendous.
We all knew it, discussed it years ago, still remember your careful analysis in 2000, but no one was PUBLISHING the truth back then in the U.S.

Thank you for bringing this forward and giving us a chance to see it. Also thanks for the dixiegirrrrl link. You're right, some people missed it altogether the first time.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:37 PM
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4. Brazil's Lula says Fidel Castro is 'exceptionally well'
Page last updated at 11:44 GMT, Thursday, 25 February 2010
Brazil's Lula says Fidel Castro is 'exceptionally well'

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/media/images/47370000/jpg/_47370691_008831752-1.jpg

Cuba's ex-leader Fidel Castro is in good shape, Brazil's president has said following what is reported to have been an "emotional meeting".

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said Mr Castro, 83, looked "exceptionally well", state-run media reports.

Photographs of the pair show the two friends talking and smiling as they sit around a table.

Mr Castro ruled Cuba for almost half a century before health problems forced him to hand over to his brother Raul.

During President Lula's visit, his last official trip before his term expires, the two discussed topics including last year's global climate change conference in Copenhagen.

"The emotional meeting was an expression of the existing friendship between the two leaders and the brotherhood that unites the two countries," Cuban state media reported.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8536454.stm
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:19 PM
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7. That is a beautiful house!
And a gorgeous pool!

Does the average Cuban get this kind of accomodation too? I'm sure they do.

:hide:

Anyway, the thing with Lula is that he plays all sides:

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:18 PM
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9. Nice work, slick. Worrying that the people don't live like their president. How kind of you.
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 05:32 PM by Judi Lynn
Of course, in every country, the President will live in a house just like the average citizen. Maybe even LESS expensive, in so many cases. Some Presidents simply live in holes, out in a field!

For instance, here is where the President of the United States lives. No doubt you, living outside the United States, didn't know about this:

http://i86.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/k100/john_april_saffle/hillbilly.jpg

Looks as if he's entertaining guests this week. That door is usually shut.

http://www.gwcmodela.com.nyud.net:8090/hillbilly1.jpg

This is the Presidential limousine.

You sound like one of the Miami gusanos. That's the kind of thing they try to use in place of intelligent conversation in forums.

On edit, posting image I just saw again, showing George W. Bush going to visit the Chinese leader. Now THAT's an ostentatious house!

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/11/21/bush2_wideweb__470x358,0.jpg

Here's a photo of George W. Bush trying to add to the beauty of his own personal house. He is such an humble man.

http://happyvalleynews.files.wordpress.com.nyud.net:8090/2008/04/bush-brush-3.jpg
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:25 PM
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10. Does the average American get the kind of accomodations of Camp David?
:spray:

What an infantile "point" to make. :dunce:





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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 05:49 PM
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11. Isn't it? I remember when the Miami gusano crowd tried to ride a story until it died
concerning the fact the Cuban Presidential limousine is a Mercedes. They neglected to include the fact it is VERY, VERY OLD.

Then there was the C.I.A.'s Operation Mongoose stunt in which they created a "photograph" showing an enormously FAT Fidel Castro in a room at a HUGE table, covered with delicacies, surrounded by fantastically super sexy women. There was a caption beneath it asking where was the lobster for ordinary Cubans. They spread this photograph all over Cuba thinking it would cause so much envy the people would turn against Fidel Castro.

That was back in the days when they were doing things like trying to drug his food with chemicals which would make his beard fall out and make the Cuban people disrespect him. Good old "Operation Mongoose." What a bunch of geniuses.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:14 PM
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15. Billy, doesn't EVERYONE have a forest retreat? How sad if they don't.
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