Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

[avaistheone1]

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.

As Sibel has previously described, and as she reiterates in this latest interview, this process involved using Turkey (with assistance from 'actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia') as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army.

Control of Central Asia
The goals of the American 'statesmen' directing these activities included control of Central Asia's vast energy supplies and new markets for military products.

The Americans had a problem, though. They needed to keep their fingerprints off these operations to avoid a) popular revolt in Central Asia ( Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan), and b) serious repercussions from China and Russia. They found an ingenious solution: Use their puppet-state Turkey as a proxy, and appeal to both pan-Turkic and pan-Islam sensibilities.

Turkey, a NATO ally, has a lot more credibility in the region than the US and, with the history of the Ottoman Empire, could appeal to pan-Turkic dreams of a wider sphere of influence. The majority of the Central Asian population shares the same heritage, language and religion as the Turks.

In turn, the Turks used the Taliban and al Qaeda, appealing to their dreams of a pan-Islamic caliphate (Presumably. Or maybe the Turks/US just paid very well.)

According to Sibel:
This started more than a decade-long illegal, covert operation in Central Asia by a small group in the US intent on furthering the oil industry and the Military Industrial Complex, using Turkish operatives, Saudi partners and Pakistani allies, furthering this objective in the name of Islam...


http://lukery.blogspot.com/2009/07/bombshell-bin-laden-worked-for-us-till.html

[Egnever]

1. you know I just am not sure I buy what this woman is saying any more

How does a translater that worked at the FBI for 6 months know everything about everything the US was doing?

It just isnt passing the smell test for me.

[avaistheone1]

3. Why not?

Sibel was not masterminding the operation, she was interpreting documents and communications. Why would it require more than 6 months given the information was all spelled out in the materials she was translating? Clearly AG Ashcroft believed Edmonds had very valuable information because he used the State Secrets Privilege against by Edmonds.

Furthermore:

- An internal FBI investigation, however, has concluded that she was fired after making "valid complaints"


Regarding 9/11

She alleges that the FBI received information in April 2001, from Behrooz Sarshar,<11> one of its Farsi translators, that Osama Bin Laden was planning attacks on 4-5 cities with planes, some of the people were already in the country and the attacks would happen in a few months.<12><13>

Regarding nuclear proliferation and official corruption

She alleges that she found evidence that people in the FBI, the State Department,<14> the RAND corporation, the Pentagon, and Congress were recruited by a Turkish and Israeli-run criminal intelligence network, with connections to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, to steal nuclear weapons secrets.<15>

She alleges that the FBI has a case file, 203A-WF-210023, detailing evidence of this.<16>
She alleges that one high-ranking member of the State Department<14> was selling classified information to Washington-based agents of the Republic of Turkey, who were in turn selling these secrets on the black market.<7>

She alleges that one recruit in the State Department warned this criminal intelligence network that Brewster Jennings & Associates was a counter-proliferation operation run by the CIA, and to not get involved with them.<17>

She alleges that Fethullah Gülen, whom she believes to be a threat to the U.S., was given safe haven in the U.S. by the U.S. in order to try to gain influence over energy sources in Central Asia.<18>

Regarding the administration of the translation office

She alleges that the FBI sent to Guantanamo as its Turkish translator a man not proficient in English,<19> and who was hired as a result of nepotism.

Many of Edmonds' accusations have been corroborated by anonymous letters allegedly written by FBI employees.

Despite being on the job little more than 6 months evidently Edmonds was working with explosive material given:
On August 15, 2002, a separate suit, Burnett v. Al Baraka Investment & Dev. Corp., was filed by families of 600 victims of the September 11, 2001 (9/11) attacks against Saudi banks, charity organizations, and companies.<24><25><26> Although the claims were eventually dismissed,<27> Edmonds was to file a deposition in this case.<28> On May 13, 2004, Ashcroft submitted statements to justify the use of the State Secrets Privilege against the planned deposition by Edmonds.<28> The same day, the FBI took the unprecedented step of retroactively classifying as Top Secret all of the material and statements that had been provided to the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2002 relating to Edmonds' own lawsuit, as well as the letters that had been sent by the Senators and republished by POGO.<23>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds


I don't believe for a moment that ACLU would have wasted their time petitioning the Supreme Court on her behalf if they felt Sibel Edmonds assertions were not true.

I think the preponderance of the evidence points to honesty and courage of Sibel Edmonds.

[Egnever]

12. well I guess because

I don't think a translator would be needed for covert operations such as are described. especially not for sensitive correspondence. I guess I don't buy that translators are given access to complete dossier's of cases just so they can translate wiretaps or other recorded conversations or documents.

I guess cause I think it would be pretty damn foolish for the FBI to need a translator to handle correspondence between themselves and Bin Laden. He speaks english as I am sure do most of the major players in the turkish government.

It just defies belief that they would hire someone and give them instant access to such sensitive information if indeed it did exist and not just access to a document here or there but complete access to the entire files.

I guess I find it hard to believe that an organization supposedly so good at covering all of this up was that incompetent at keeping it from an employee that was there for 6 months and had already started bringing attention to herself after three.

Maybe I am wrong and she speaks the truth but the more outlandish the stories become the less credible it seems to me.

Maybe I need a new tinfoil hat.

[HamdenRice]

13. The explanation is that the government's language translation capacity is abysmal

I read a few years ago that because of its multi-ethnic composition, the NYPD has a better language/translation capacity than the CIA and other federal law enforcement and intelligence services and has to farm out translation to the New York cops.

Since the defense and intelligence agencies don't trust "A-rabs" even American born, it's difficult for them to get security clearances, and it takes decades for a non-Arabic speaker to become fluent, which few career bureaucrats even attempt.

Sibel, as a fluent speaker with a security clearance, would have been one of a handful of translators in a department through which a huge amount of raw intelligence had to be channeled. That department apparently became corrupted.

She's just reporting what she heard on wiretaps -- but of course can't vouch for the truth of what she heard and translated.

[nashville_brook]

16. she never claimed to intercept and translate anything from OBL.

[NoSheep]

22. Thank you for pointing this out. People will write their own scripts, won't they?

[Recursion]

30. While I share your skepticism of Ms. Edmonds, I'd like to make a distinction

She's claiming that this is what people in Turkey were saying, not that this is something she has firsthand knowledge of.

[Hippo_Tron]

31. Ashcroft suing the State Secrets Privilege doesn't imply that she knew everything

It merely implies that she might have known something that could have been embarrassing to the Bush Administration. It could be something major or something very minor and they were just paranoid.

[AntiFascist]

4. Perhaps the answer can be found...

in FBI case file 203A-WF-210023 which may contain evidence of a criminal intelligence network that has infiltrated high levels of our government.

[mopinko]

19. me neither. she claims to have seen fbi files, but

that does not make any sense to me. unless the fbi was taking notes in turkish, i see no reason why a translator would have access to the fruits for previous investigations. doesn't add up.

[rollingrock]

52. Because Edmond's story has been confirmed by other agents

including FBI veterans John M. Cole and Coleen Rowley.


Here's an interview Edmonds did together with FBI veteran John Cole.



Sibel Edmonds & John Cole Blow the Covers Off
November 4, 2009, 12:49AM

Scott Horton interviews FBI Whistleblowers Sibel Edmonds and John Cole. This 50" interview covers a lot of ground in greater depth than previous interviews- and it still just scratches the surface. Corruption involving the US, Israel, Turkey and Pakistan and other nations; treason, espionage, trafficking in nuclear secrets and weapons technology, bribery, blackmail, use of terrorists to fight proxy wars. Investigations into these matters have been consistently shut down, and have been kept out of the media.

The recent coverage of Sibel Edmonds' allegations by The American Conservative and Military.com (which also managed to get on the record 'non-denial denials' from Richard Perle and Doug Feith) is a significant step forward- as is this interview published by AntiWar.com. But where are the major media?....more

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/zoolnak54/2009/11/sibel-edmonds-john-cole-blow-t.php



Coleen Rowley is an FBI veteran and whistleblower who was on the cover of Time magazine as one of their persons of the year.

[CK_John]

2. Sibel is just repeating old world myths she heard as a child. n/t

[avaistheone1]

5. Is that you Dick Cheney?

:crazy:

[LovinLife]

6. This is a very old bombshell. nt

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[LovinLife]

8. I always thought it was odd we couldn't find this guy. I doubt very seriously he's just hiding in a

cave in Pakistan. I wouldn't be shocked if he's living the good life in Saudi Arabia or who knows where else.

[Sebastian Doyle]

27. Osama is in Hell

He's been there since 2002.

[juajen]

45. I've read many times on DU and elsewhere that Bin Ladan once

worked for the CIA. That info is nothing new.

[SpiralHawk]

14. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL

[MadBadger]

24. Its one thing to say it, but to type it? The S and B arent anywhere near each other on a keyboard.

[Undercurrent]

29. Freudian slippage?

Blat!

[LovinLife]

9. Saddam Hussein and the Taliban also worked for us. Go figure. nt

[avaistheone1]

10. Yes, that story came out this week.

I believe it came out in a new book about 9/11.

That is probably why this bombshell story about Bin Laden working with the U.S. right up until 9/11 is resurfacing this week. Both of these stories dovetail well.

[LovinLife]

11. Here's audia in mp3 if you want to hear. Its interesting.

http://dissentradio.com/radio/09_10_23edmonds_cole.mp3

[nashville_brook]

15. bookmarking for later.

[WeDidIt]

17. Sibel Emonds has become the Orly Taitz of the left n/t

[crikkett]

21. I heard this before. Maybe I read it on her website.

OBL was hired to piss off the Soviets in Afghanistan.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had remained on some payroll or another until the Sept. 11 attacks.

There are lots of holes in the official conspiracy theory, by the way.

[NoSheep]

23. If this is something folks don't understand yet then they aren't educated enough to comment, imho.

:nopity:

[WeDidIt]

33. Truthers are the Birthers of the left

:eyes:

[NoSheep]

36. That is inaccurate (you know it) and false logic, if you assume someone who believes

Bin Ladin is connected to Bush automatically makes them a "truther". However, the truth is becoming more plain for some of you lazy stragglers every day.

[WeDidIt]

38. Truthers are the Birthers of the Left. n/t

[AntiFascist]

41. $1 billion was raised covertly....

to arm the mujahadeen (back in the 80s this was a lot of money). This can only mean that al Qaeda was our creation. There are always "for-hire" types who will work covertly for the highest bidder. Also, the way intelligence works, they need to maintain contact with these groups in order to gather information or for counter-intelligence purposes.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

43. Um...

It appears you have only been here a bit over a year.

This news has long been known here -- it was widely researched and talked about in the wake of 9/11.

If you have access to the search function, I might do some digging for old threads on the subject. Sibel is right on about this.

[elias7]

18. Maybe he still does...

I always felt Al-Quaida was contracted for the job. But by whom?

[NoSheep]

25. I have some suggestions ;)

[NoSheep]

20. Didn't we already know this? And isn't this the explanation for why we

haven't bothered to capture him? We've known for ages the Bush administration was in bed with Bin Laden. Why the hell do you think they let his family fly out of the country when no airplanes were being allowed in the air anywhere after 9/11? Am I living in an alternative universe or what?

From the right wing "horse's mouth":
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york091102.asp

Here's one of many articles on the web about the subject.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml

[Bullet1987]

26. I agree 100% NoSheep

It's been shown by various sources (Michael Moore, Sibel Edmonds, other non-political authors) that there is a long history between the bin Laden's and our government. It's not that surprising when you take into account what we know about that family as a whole. It's been suggested for years by liberals that bin Laden was working for the CIA. The reason why some on this site may want to play this down is because it logically leads to LIHOP/MIHOP accusations regarding 9/11. Any comparison to Orly Taitz is beyond ignorant though. Edmonds is a woman who easily had access to this information, she probably still holds the record of being the most gagged person in American history, she's testified (in private) to members of Congress. Orly Taitz is a fabricated media whore.

[NoSheep]

37. Makes you wonder about some of the people posting in this thread

[beachmom]

28. Conspiracy theory without corroborating evidence. nt

[HamdenRice]

Actually, Sibel's testimony is prima facia evidence

You can say you don't find her credible, but the fact that a federal translator is making this claims is prima facia evidence.

[baldguy]

34. Google "Operation Cyclone"

[NoSheep]

40. There you go. Perhaps an entire library of reading should be prescribed.

Honestly, is THIS what we are fighting in our own party as well as in the other: a lack of literacy on the subject matter???? Jesus Fucking Christ!

[NoSheep]

39. I think it is fairly well known that Bin Laden was installed in Afghanistan by the US

to fight against the Russians. We basically created Al Qaeda. No kidding. Did you not know this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

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35. Why the past tense?

:shrug:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

42. You know you've been on DU for a long time --

when this is not new "news". :D

This has pretty much confirmed w-a-a-a-a-y back in the day here with some very serious research done by good reportes and even better DUers.

That any DUer is not aware of this connection means they have some serious learnin' to do. :)

[flyarm]

44. +1 !!!!!!!!!

[juajen]

46. +2

[NoSheep]

48. It's frightening.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

47. Self-delete. (n/t)

[grantcart]

49. So after Bin Laden was identified as bombing two US embassies

and Clinton tried repeatedly to kill him, that the Clinton administration had repeatedly tried to raise the awareness of the Bush transition team to the point that the Bush people derided the outgoing administration for having "Bin Laden on the Brain Syndrome" - so after all of that they continued to work with Bin Laden.

Really?

[NoSheep]

50. really.

[LynnTheDem]

51. "bombshell"???

Kinda old news "bombshell".