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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:17 AM Original message |
Would it have been a good time to prosecute Bush/Cheney while we had the worst economy in 80 years? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. It is always the right time for justice. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. yes, it was an either/or proposition. Nancy Polosi had all |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Exactly. What a waste of time. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. They need to be tried for war crimes as soon as possible. History will judge us because we condoned |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. "War crimes" is not sufficient to put on an indictment |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Torture is |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Congress should have multitasked fixing the economy and jailing cheney |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. So you do "have a concept of the law"? And you claim the Bush Organization didnt break any laws? |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #32 |
89. how about the "War Crimes Act ofv 1996"? GOP in 04 put themselves above |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
88. they're free to go back into gov. positions, so no not a good thing at all to me |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. This is not Germany post WWII |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. could fool me..What I saw in this museum..is everything I am seeing in this country of ours, daily! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Meaningless in terms of what I posted |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Agree. We have nothing w/o the rule of law. Some here think that if we are nice to them, they will |
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IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. I think it would have benefited the economy as they hired people to do it. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. No. |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. empty all prisons too..... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
28. Ordinary criminal cases are another thing |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Of course they are. They're ordinary criminals. Little people. eom |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Are you saying it would be too hard? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
29. What are the statues and how would the evidence be presented? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. What statutes should be used and how will the evidence be presented? |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. Reagans anti-torture statute would be a good start |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. Yes. If thieves break into your house and bust it up and kill your wife, would you |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
34. tHere's a huge difference between this and an ordinary run of the mill |
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displacedvermoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. You launch a series of investigations, the Dems did have |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. That is so wide ranging a plan, it would take up all of Congress' time |
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displacedvermoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. I thought things were't supposed to be able to be fixed |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Again, it's too hard to do the right thing?? Unless we put them away they will strike again. |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #44 |
90. war crimes act of 1996 & reagan's didn't you see the response yet? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Why do you defend the war criminals? nm |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
9. Oh yeah because history has been sooooo unkind to St. Ronnie and the |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
91. yeah tell me about it |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
10. The economy was never the issue...the majority of the public never wanted it. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. yes ..there is no time tables for murder. What those bastards did was commit murder on a grand scale |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
14. The point is moot. Just because we have Obama as president, doesnt mean he is running this country. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. bullshit..Obama has the bully Pulpit ..like no one else in this country or world. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
53. Either he is the most powerful man on earth or he is "owned", which is it? |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
18. LOL...no, I recommend we stop charging people with crimes when the economy is bad! Dumb! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
19. Meh. What charges could Congress make a case for? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. STOP THE CRAP PLEASE!!!!!!!!! enough bullshit..just stop the lies and bullshit! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Well, tell me: what charges are there a good case for? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I guess you missed it when Bush said on National TV..hell yes I ordered torture! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I remember he said on TV that he ordered the waterboarding of KSM |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. there was never any" legal point in question" about Waterboarding being torture,. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Well, retching or not, that's what you would have to prove |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. well LETS JUST NOT TRY.. yeah ..thats the ticket..lets just allow them to walk free being the |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I'm saying if you want to try them you need an instrument to charge them under |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
85. You're making too much sense |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
92. it's called precedent, use the examples in the past when water-boarding |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. You're going to become very ill when you realize the world is not so |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
69. You act as if there was a good faith effort to determine if there are any crimes to charge the Bush |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. I believe there is legal precedent from WW2 in regards to water boarding being torture. It's a start |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Yes, I agree that's a start |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Does that tell you that he knows he has a defense? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
64. "You simply do not have enough breath of knowledge..." In other words we are too stupid to question |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. What crime, specifically, do you want to charge him with? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Are you asking that because you dont think they committed any crimes or because you dont |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
98. I think it would be difficult to make a criminal case against them |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
100. War crimes are indeed a crime anyway. We have multiple treaties dictating just such and they are |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Usually being this emotional about something means you are at |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
23. Now, more than ever. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
27. I agree |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. well said- I agree too. K&R n/t |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. While Europe lay in ruin was that really the right time to hold the Nuremberg Trials? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Well done. nt |
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cyr330 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Good Point |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #49 |
68. FDR never said "The Nuremburg War Trials are off the table.". |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
51. Fucking sad. |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Yep, anything to defend Obama - it's a freaking disgrace. n/t |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
54. We either believe in justice or we don't. nt |
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cyr330 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
58. Uh, yes |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
60. Was it a good idea to escalate Afghanistan while we had the worst economy in 80 years? |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
61. Yes. I don't see what one has to do with the other. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
62. It would have made it clear that Obama was serious about change |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
65. No it is best to let war criminals have comfy retirements, especially in 'bad times'. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
66. I'd settle for not actively trying to protect them |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. +1 . . . .n/t |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. What else is a bad economy "not the right time" for? |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
72. Rest Easy. Nigeria's Going After Cheney. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
73. The ones acting like Obama should have prosecuted Bush when he got in power are... |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. his administration actively PROTECTED them and OPPOSED efforts to prosecute them |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Describe the scenario in realistic terms how Obama would have helped prosecute Bush/Cheney |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. are you reading-impaired? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Show me the plan |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:36 AM Response to Reply #86 |
93. boy you MUST be SO smart, thinking we have to comply with your itty bitty |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Again... nothing from the chest-beating parlor talk crowd |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. NOW it's a timeline I gave you the War Crimes Act of 1996 & u changed |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. So Holder could have charged Bush/Cheney with War Crimes Act of 1996 while the economy imploded? |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
75. I dont give a fuck about the optics |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Describe the steps how without the usual parlor talk chest-beating hyperbole |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
76. It would have lifted the nation's spirits. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Right.... the media would have jumped for joy at the idea of prosecuting Bush/Cheney... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. More people *might* have noticed how bad our media is. . n/t |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
80. Whoever Holder appointed special prosecutor would have been |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
87. Why waste time |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 05:38 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. so you call justice revenge? did that work for Pinochet? for others like him? |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
97. It is never a good time to tolerate evilness. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
101. assign a special prosecutor. the president is not involved. |
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truthspeak (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
102. Global economic collapse...not important |
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