Since war is never ok, we should have stayed out of WWII

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Poll question: Since war is never ok, we should have stayed out of WWII

[davidinalameda]

1. I said true

because if you're against war, you're against all war

I think a well-guided missile shot into Tripoli could solve this whole mess quickly

blow the fucker up

sorry if that offends anyone

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[Cali_Democrat]

2. Japan directly attacked the United States and Germany was attacking the US navy and shipping...

...in the Atlantic.

The actions of Japan and Germany directly impacted us as a nation.

Libya? Not so much.

[bowens43]

Exactly. nt

[DURHAM D]

5. But our merchant ships were carrying war materials. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

8. We had a shitload of ships carrying war materials to the UK and Russia

Those materials were used to attack Germany. The Lend Lease act was one law that was instituted to send these war supplies. The US Navy also attacked German subs before we officially went to war.

So the argument could definitely be made that we were a belligerent nation before we officially went to war in Dec 1941.

[skepticscott]

13. Germany had invaded other sovereign nations

that had nothing to do with us long before we got involved. Not so Libya. This a conflict internal to that country.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. True

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[OmahaBlueDog]

22. Libya has a history of sponsoring terrorism and interference in Sudan

I'm not saying I think that's a good reason for us to interfere, but it should be noted

[skepticscott]

26. The issue is really one of

half-measures being the worst of all, IMO. If we think Gaddafi should be removed from power, then we should do it quickly, decisively, and with all the military force necessary (that of course makes us responsible forever for what takes his place). If not, then we should stay out COMPLETELY of any military intervention in what is clearly an internal civil uprising within a sovereign nation. As it stands now, what are we committing ourselves to? Keeping Gaddafi off the rebel's backs so that this little civil war goes on forever?

[Adsos Letter]

6. Germany also declared war on the U.S. following Pearl Harbor.

[rpannier]

32. Germany also declared war on the US shortly after the war against Japan was approved by Congress

[bluestateguy]

3. I oppose this military action

And the war in Iraq, which I opposed from day one.

I favored the action in Afghanistan. I now think it is time to begin getting out.

The notion that someone who opposes what happened in Libya today also opposes all wars is silly.

[rpannier]

33. +1 nt

[bowens43]

4. Ridculous poll.

We were attacked by another nation in world war II. We have NO business in Libya. These ridiculousness strawman arguments are ridiculous.

[JaneQPublic]

11. So, in WWII, we should've fought just Japan but not Germany? (nt)

[OmahaBlueDog]

21. Germany declared war on the US

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/germany-declares.htm

Text of German war declaration 12/11/41

[golfguru]

24. Japan & germany had a war pact for joint action

and Germany got involved when their partner started the war.

[demwing]

15. Let me get some clarity on that, are you saying

it's ridiculous?

[Arkana]

16. No business except a request for support from the rebels

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Libyan-rebels-ask-foreign-help/Article1-668730.aspx

This is a couple weeks old and it was before the no-fly zone, but it proves that we do actually have cause--as do the other UN members and the Arab League.

[elleng]

7. Of course the premise is faulty.

[KurtNYC]

9. where is the option for: "False Equivalency" ?

Internal revolt/revolution versus WWII.

[RC]

10. There were U.S. businesses bankrolling Hitler.

Without that, there very well might not have been any WWII

[OmahaBlueDog]

20. It's been posted before, and it should be posted again

Copy of Prescott Bush 1942 Indictment Under Trading With the Enemy Act!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x581610

[Union Scribe]

12. Oh, is this where that patriotic country music is coming from?

I've been wondering since clicking onto DU tonight.

[demwing]

17. Freedom Isn't Free

No there's a hefty fuckin' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyAWvjLapJs

[bhikkhu]

18. False assumption; war is the first resort of fools, the last resort of the wise

WWII was the culmination of decades of stupidity on all sides. A point was reached where the only acceptable result was only available by entering into war, but there were plenty of opportunities to manage and resolve things differently, going back to origins before WWI.

In the case of Libya, the "smallest war" which might result in the "least harm" is the one we are hopefully fighting now. To do nothing would likely see tens of thousands sent to mass graves, and the fool in this case is Gadhafi who had multiple opportunities to avoid war.

[TheKentuckian]

19. Many wish to assume a passive posture but have not accepted inaction is an action.

Especially in this case which would require us to use our security council veto to stop the action.

[golfguru]

23. War becomes necessary ONLY when attacked unprovoked

as Japan did at Pearl Harbor. We are not operating on Gandhi principle of
turning the other cheek. That never works with aggressive dictators such as
Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito or Stalin.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. If it were up to you, would you have ordered military force to halt the genocide in Rwanda

Let's say you could have done so after a day or so, when it became clear what was happening. It's not a direct attack on the United States. Indeed, the forces committing the genocide had no intention of threatening the United States at all. But assume the US could have pushed through a UN Resolution and began deploying forces immediately. Would you have done so? Should we have done so?

[ReggieVeggie]

25. flamebait

no flamebait option under the alert menu

[Unvanguard]

27. Not only was the US right to intervene, but it did so too late.

It should have joined (and aggressively promoted) European collective security arrangements in the mid-1930s, and, failing that, should have joined with Britain and France when they declared war to protect Poland (and maybe gotten them to actually do something before Germany invaded France.)

[tledford]

28. Since men are made of straw, we should burn them. eom

[rpannier]

34. Maybe so but Witches are made of wood

and weight the same as a duck

[tledford]

35. Actually, witches weigh MORE than a duck, that's why they don't float.

Bullshit poll.

[craigmatic]

30. The Nazis and Japanese were actual threats to the US where as these in these newer wars,

it's not really clear that they're threats to the US. As a matter of fact the threat is either vague or non-existent.

[quaker bill]

31. There were probably a number of things

we could have done to prevent the war, but these were needed decades before it started.