Bill Kristol declares Obama ‘a born-again neo-con’ days after consulting with him on Libya policy

[t0rnado]

" “He didn’t come to me for help, of course,” Kristol said. “I’m not going to acknowledge that. He came to me to make sure I was supporting his sound policies. Of course, since his sound policies are more like the policies people like me have been advocating for quite a while, I’m happy to support them. He’s a born-again neo-con.” "

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/30/bill-kristol-declares-obama-a-born-again-neo-con-days-after-consulting-with-him-on-libya-policy/#ixzz1I6fnICK3

Obama shouldn't be consulting warmongerers like Bill Kristol, who did a great job helping guide Bush into Afghanistan and Iraq.

[arcane1]

1. I wouldn't consult that fool to find out if it's sunny or raining

even if we were standing outside at the time.

WTF is Obama doing even giving him the time of day??

[lob1]

3. Damn good question. I wonder if he checked with

Michael Moore too, just to be fair and balanced.

[polichick]

5. Good point about Moore!

[PurityOfEssence]

59. Obama would tell you it's both

And his most fervent supporters would laud the sheer brilliance of this indisputable truth.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Question you should be asking: why is Obama letting Neocon Hillary run the show?

[polichick]

2. Jeez, sometimes it really does seem that the prez thinks the right-wing...

...and corporate tools are on the right track - he's so damned concerned with their opinions.

[Blue Owl]

4. I shall now vomit

:puke:

[PurityOfEssence]

81. You should see the baptisms: they're done in a barrel of oil

You make-a me laugh...

[indepat]

6. You could'a fooled me for I woulda' never guessed that BHO was a born-again

neo-con based on his rhetoric, but maybe Kristol's judgment is based on actions. :patriot:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Huh...I thought he was a Muslim. Wow, the things you learn here.

[Lorien]

7. Obama: the born again neo-con, right from the grand poobah neo-con himself

guess Obama's die-hard supporters will be hitting the unrec button or becoming born again neo-cons themselves.

[CoffeeCat]

8. Bill Kristol?????? The PNAC Godfather??????

Fuck me!

We're so screwed.

This fucking blows.

I'm so fucking angry right now, I could scream. To think that I was a precinct
captain for Obama--someone who voted for him because he promised to end the Iraq
war and because he appeared to be anti-war in general because he was the only
politician who had the cajones to vote against the Iraq war.

Hope is gone. It's over.

[Ganja Ninja]

14. Yeah exactly.

Sit down with the likes of Kristol and give your base the cold shoulder.

But we have to vote for him.
We have to.
There's no other choice.
Sarah Palin/Michelle Bachmann will take over!
The Horror! The Horror!

[frylock]

32. he DIDN'T vote against the iraq war..

he merely stated that he wouldn't have voted in favor of IWR while campaigning for the presidency. knowing what we now know about him, i don't believe for a damn second that he would've ever voted against IWR.

[CakeGrrl]

39. It's easy when you're so gullible. Bill Kristol would only tell the truth, right?

There's no possible way that Republicans would attempt any divide-and-conquer tactics, would there?

If someone says the worst about the President, it must be believed, right?

:eyes:

[PatSeg]

68. Thank you

I was wondering how many comments I'd have to read before someone questioned Kristol's credibility. Of course, people at FOX have never been known to lie!!!

[CoffeeCat]

69. Oh please!

Are you kidding me?

Go read Bill Kristol's PNAC manifesto. Those warmongering bastards spell out their plan for
global, military domination. Back in 1986, they spelled out the countries they would invade
and wrap their talents around--and they even detailed the order of invasion so we could all
follow along:

1.) Iraq
2.) Iran
3.) Syria
4.) Libya

Obama is following the PNAC/neocon plan to the letter. He's giving them their wish list.

It makes sense that Obama is calling them to verify that his warmongering is pleasing them.
So, it's not that big of a stretch because Obama is following the PNAC blueprint, which
the PNAC crowd laid out on their website.

Who gives a god damn anyway--if Obama called Kristol or if he didn't? The neocon plan
is being realized under the direct orders of President Obama.

You want to quibble about phone calls with this fucking horror playing out? You are not a serious person.

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[Lasher]

10. Obama didn't 'consult' with Kristol anymore than Junior consulted with Helen Thomas.

Obama stopped in at a briefing being conducted by Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough for a group of newspaper columnists. The lying jackass Kristol was in the crowd.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/obama-makes-direct-libya-pitch-columnists

[kenny blankenship]

12. You can't stop them. They're on a roll

Obama has sworn fealty to George W. Bush and was baptized into his new life by Arch Bishop Richard Perle, William Kristol witnessing as his Godfather.

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[dennis4868]

19. I knew this also....

but I enjoy watching all the 24/7 Obama haters come out of their holes and go crazy on Obama comparing him to Bush....I get enjoyment out of reading their crazy posts....hahahaha! The facts don't stop them....gotta love the PL and their sheeple....

[Lasher]

36. On a different day you might consider me one of the Obama haters.

But truth, if I am able to see it, trumps my predispositions.

[FiveGoodMen]

23. Doesn't change the fact that Kristol APPROVES of Obama's policy

[Lasher]

33. It appears that he does but he is a serial smartass.

Krystol is no doubt hoping the air campaign will lead to having US ground troops there for the next thousand years, but I don't believe his blood lust has been satisfied by Obama's actions so far. Look at the words he's chosen. He is intentionally goading Democrats just like us.

[frylock]

34. no, it doesn't

[former9thward]

40. Your link does not back up your assertion.

The blog says nothing about whom said what to whom.

[Lasher]

44. The meeting was nothing like it was characterized by Kristol.

That is my point. Surely you can see that.

[former9thward]

45. I don't even know if the link refers to the same meeting.

If it does Obama may have asked Kristol about his views. There is nothing at the blog saying what any of the conversations were. You may be right. Kristol may have been BSing or exaggerating. I don't know.

[Lasher]

49. It is certain that Kristol is hoping for another quagmire like the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I am afraid that this might evolve just the way he wants. Initially we were encouraged to believe that we'd only be expected to enforce a no fly zone. But according to the TV news this evening, British and French soldiers are already on the ground. I don't think US soldiers are far behind. Just like the 47,000 US soldiers still in Iraq, they're being called trainers or whatever so that we can pretend they are not there. That's the way it works when you want to commit your country to yet another clusterfuck.

Particularly considering the escalation in Afghanistan and the lingering occupation in Iraq, Obama is already on thin ice in this respect. But if he puts any US troops on the ground in Libya, whatever they are called, then it will be logical to conclude to our horror that he is another neoconservative just as Kristol has alleged.

[former9thward]

71. If they arm the rebels troops will follow.

These 'rebels' don't know how to use weapons in most cases. I have seen news reports that some don't know how to load their guns. So 'advisers' would have to be put in to train them if we arm them. It would just escalate after that.

[Lasher]

72. The CIA is already on the ground in Libya.

Look for more US forces to show up with some similar 'non-troop' sounding name. NATO could send them in, so that we could pretend not to notice that most of them are US ground forces.

You are right incompetency among many of the rebels. A lot of them are getting hardons shooting their weapons into the air. Then they whine for the US to send them more bullets. And tanks, I heard them say yesterday. We're going to send Abrams tanks to people who don't know how to load a gun?

All this seems disgustingly familiar.

[CakeGrrl]

53. I don't know if facts are going gain any traction. Tucker said it was so!

What does that say when Bill Kristol, courtesy of Tucker Carlson, puts out some bullshit opinion and it's actually accepted as fact here?

[fasttense]

11. Man, all I can say is, if this is true, President Obama has really moved away

from the people who campaigned for him and voted him in.

It's almost as if his voters no longer exist for him.

[dennis4868]

22. The problem is....

it's not true....hahahaha....I love the crazy professional left...This is a good examlple of the intense and often reflexive nature of the criticism I see here (and elsewhere) just seems so disproportionate to Obama's alleged "offenses", not to mention the outright lies, hyperbolic speculation, de-contextualization of comments/actions, and willingness to believe absolutely anything negative about Obama.

[killbotfactory]

26. I need to take your approach

Just laugh it off, instead of constantly doing this:

[frylock]

35. so, is kristol just playing chess when he sez he approves of obama's policy in regards to libya?

[Marblehead]

15. This says it all....

[JoePhilly]

30. It says nothing ... Obama did not consult this nitwit.

[daa]

16. Bush Obama = no difference

In Qatar on Monday, the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh delivered a speech "expressing his disappointment with President Barack Obama and his dissatisfaction with the direction of U.S. foreign policy"; echoing these former Bush officials, Hersh "said he was writing a book on what he called the 'Cheney-Bush years' and saw little difference between that period and the Obama administration." He added that "U.S. foreign policy had been hijacked by a cabal of neoconservative 'crusaders' in the former vice president's office and now in the special operations community."

Gen. Hayden put it best, as quoted by The Washington Times:

"You've got state secrets, targeted killings, indefinite detention, renditions, the opposition to extending the right of habeas corpus to prisoners at Bagram ," Mr. Hayden said, listing the continuities. "And although it is slightly different, Obama has been as aggressive as President Bush in defending prerogatives about who he has to inform in Congress for executive covert action."

Cheney praised Obama for continuing his and Bush's core approach to Terrorism:




He obviously has been through the fires of becoming President and having to make decisions and live with the consequences. And it's different than being a candidate. When he was candidate he was all for closing Gitmo. He was very critical of what we'd done on the counterterrorism area to protect America from further attack and so forth. . . .

I think he's -- in terms of a lot of the terrorism policies -- the early talk, for example, about prosecuting people in the CIA who've been carrying out our policies -- all of that's fallen by the wayside. I think he's learned that what we did was far more appropriate than he ever gave us credit for while he was a candidate. So I think he's learned from experience.

[democracy1st]

58. wish u had a link!

[sad sally]

77. here it is...

http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=6479du

[jenmito]

17. Kristol is tweeking Obama's supporters. Obama is the OPPOSITE of a neocon. He isn't going

to invade a country under false pretenses, and he's not even going to intervene to HELP countries unless they ask us and we have multilateral support.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Couldn't agree more tho Obama did hire a Neocon to be his SOS (big mistake).

[jenmito]

18. You apparently will believe ANYTHING. Who are you going to believe-HIM or your own eyes and ears?

[ReggieVeggie]

21. HIM who?

Did you mean Kristol?

Can you say that the meeting Kristol spoke of didn't happen?

[jenmito]

24. Yes, Kristol.

No-I can say that he mischaracterized what Obama's ideas about war and intervention are, unless Obama changed his mind since Monday night.

[ReggieVeggie]

20. if Obama actually sought out Kristol

then I think we have a troll on our hands

[jenmito]

25. Kristol said Obama went to him before giving the Libya speech Monday night and that

Kristol approved of it. Just remember-what Obama said was VERY consistent with his speech he gave when accepting his Nobel Peace Prize. So in reality, KRISTOL is a born-again multilateralist.

You think Kristol really LIKED that Obama said, "To be blunt, we went down that road in Iraq" in explaining why he would NOT take the advice of the hawks who wanted Obama to go into Libya unilaterally (and under false pretenses)? From the article:

In his “You’ve come a long way, baby” post Monday night, Kristol praised Obama for his address to the American people about the action he took against Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. On Wednesday’s “Red Eye” on the Fox News Channel, Kristol took things a step further and declared Obama “a born-again neo-con.”

Red Eye is a comedy show on at 3am. He was joking.

[Ernesto]

27. Since when do we believe anthing Kristol says?

He's built a career at being wrong.

[FiveGoodMen]

28. "He's built a career at being wrong"

And he agrees with Obama.

[CakeGrrl]

57. Any chance Kristol might be...you know...LYING?

[Solomon]

64. Great logic you got there. All Rush Limbaugh has to do is say

he agrees with something Obama is doing and we're all undone, right?

(shakes head in pity)

[jenmito]

29. Since some are looking for any excuse to bash Obama. Kristol (and the posters who believe him)

want us to believe that he LIKED Obama's Libya speech where he said, "To be blunt, we went down that road in Iraq" when explaining why the hawks were WRONG to want Obama to rush into Libya unilaterally? Not to mention that his Libyan speech echoed what he said when accepting his Nobel Peace Prize. Like I said earlier, if anything, Kristol is a "born-again multilateralist."

[vroomvroom]

31. Even if he did it doesnt make him a Neo-Con -- and I am not a happy supporter of Obama.

Seems sensible to see what the opposing side is thinking by asking Kristol. That is what i would do too. I am a progressive and so after listening i will make up my own mind. We all know obama leans more center-right but i dont think he is a neo-con. He clearly favors many right ideals but i dont think he is that way right.

[Ramulux]

37. Hes right

Kristol is a douche, but hes absolutely right.

[killbotfactory]

38. alternate title: "a-hole neocon pretends he is still relevant."

[CakeGrrl]

41. Oh noes!!!! Panic!!! It's official! OMG!

The President is the Manchurian Neo-Con. Bill Kristol has proclaimed it, and the gullible are swallowing it.

:crazy:

[AtomicKitten]

42. 'ang on a minute

Okay, now it's official.

:hi:

[CakeGrrl]

43. I knew it was missing a little something.

Thanks! Captures the mood perfectly.

[Runework]

46. naive to think they dont have influence

neoconservatives and their well-funded think-tanks (not to mention their overlap with hawkish 'neoliberal' groups) have demonstrably impacted US foreign policy since the early 80s.
you want to believe all that has magically disappeared, go ahead...

don't forget Obama's own vice president reportedly opposed the troop surge in afghanistan. And who vigorously supported it? and what ended up happening? hm?

[yodermon]

47. Kristol just punk'd ALLL Y'ALL.

google this:

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

[ProSense]

48. This is what

happens when one relies on RW rags for commentary and news.

Daily Caller

Founded by Tucker Carlson, a 20-year veteran of print and broadcast media, and Neil Patel, former chief policy adviser to Vice President Cheney, The Daily Caller is a 24-hour news site providing original reporting from an experienced team of professional reporters, thought-provoking commentary and breaking news. In addition to hard news reporting and commentary...

Might as well consider Hannity a reliable source.

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[CakeGrrl]

52. A Tucker Carlson site gets positive recs on DU. Interesting. n/t

[Solomon]

67. I keep reeling from the way this presidency has opened my eyes.

I used to really believe that there was a real difference between right-wing reaction and left-wing reaction. Now I know different.

[CakeGrrl]

73. It doesn't look any different any more.

The far Left and far Right are very strange bedfellows in their opposition to President Obama. Just bizarre.

[Youth Uprising]

79. More like the center-left is in bed with the right in their total opposition

against Progressive ideals.

[slipslidingaway]

51. Who knows what is true, but remember when people said Billy Tauzin lied about ...

cutting a deal with the Obama administration to have Pharma back the HC bill.

:shrug:

You’ve Come a Long Way, Baby
President Obama’s unapologetic, freedom-agenda-embracing, not-shrinking-from-the-use-of-force speech.
8:32 PM, Mar 28, 2011 • By WILLIAM KRISTOL

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/you-ve-come-long-way-baby_555622.html

[Shiver]

54. Bill Kristol?

Since when has DU EVER taken something that moron says at face value? Because it fits the DU narrative, it's suddenly accepted as truth?

Are we going to be quoting Fox "News" next?

[CakeGrrl]

55. Since about now. Yes. Sure, the next time Kucinich does a guest spot. n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

56. So what? Billy Crystal is a little corny but it's not a big deal......... Oh wait

that douche bag Bill Kristol?????!!!!! That's a whole other matter.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. Fuck Bill Kristol. The guy has zero credibility.

[BklnDem75]

65. What's next? World Nut Daily?

I'd consider Billy Crystal a better source than Bill Kristol.

[harun]

66. Nothing like a nice bout of puking before noon.

[OwnedByFerrets]

70. Wow, just WOW

[whatchamacallit]

74. Born-again my ass!

I believe he's always been.

[Mimosa]

75. Oy vey. Look how Kristol helped W and McCain.

Kristol is toxic.

[CakeGrrl]

76. The President isn't trying to make friends with Kristol. Kristol's stirring up shit.

He (and Tucker Carlson) figure the Left will freak out if he says he likes anything the President's doing, just like Teabaggers don't like Liberal cooties, and judging from the reaction on this board, they calculated correctly and at least in one sliver of the blogosphere, got the reaction they'd hoped for.

[Blue_Tires]

78. Bill Kristol being quoted in the Daily Caller gets +15 recs on DU of all places

:puke:

[Keith Bee]

80. Kristol Meth

That's gotta be the source of the neocunt's columns!