The gay marriage issue and solution are so simple we shouldn't even have to debate it

[Armstead]

If you care about family values and the traditions of marriage -- it's none of your damn business whether people who have same-sex relationships want to have the same right to be married that you do.

Doesn't make a damn bit of difference in your life. If you're worried about the decline of of the institution of marriage, then you can only blame straight people for that -- because they are the ones who have been married for all these years.

So get a life, put your own house in order, and if you don't like the fact that a same-sex couple gets married GET OVER IT and at least just ignore it if you must. Makes no damn difference in your life.

And if you are religious, get real. If the Lord does ever return to earth, he'll have much bigger fish to fry.

And if you're a politician -- whether liberal or conservative, the idea that everyone should have the right to marry, whether they are gay or not, is just basic and as American as Apple pie.

Tell your damn constituents that, and clear out this example of inequality from the books.

It really is that simple.

(By the way, I'm straight and have no personal stake in this issue, except a basic sense of common decency and fair play. Most straights should support this for the same reason.)

[alsame]

1. The issue is very black and white - either you believe that

all American citizens have exactly the same rights or you believe that some are second class citizens. It really is that simple.

As a straight woman I can get legally married to a man any time and anywhere. My lesbian cousin cannot marry her partner of almost 20 years. We are both American citizens, yet I have more rights.

[fascisthunter]

3. bingo

[Ignis]

5. It really is that simple.

If we waited for everyone to "evolve" on issues of civil rights, we'd still have segregated schools.

[fascisthunter]

2. as another poster stated... the Right WIngers are trying to TAKE away rights

rights every American citizen is born with. They aren't preventing rights, they are taking them away.

[Peacetrain]

4. K&R Bingo... very well said

As a fully committed Christian.. the idea that gay people are less the children of God than say men ( women are fighting that in many denominations to be recognized as a full member of the church..let me tell you we are still fighting a battle on that one, to try and be ministers) what some think the bible says and what some use for political weapon and what is really said are three different things.

[rurallib]

6. Well there is another solution

each and every gay person as born of a heterosexual union. Ergo, end heterosexual unions and the babies they produce. Within 100 years max, this problem and many others will be solved.

[nichomachus]

7. If the Lord ever does return to earth

do you really think he's going to want to see crosses everywhere? Really, Christians, you need to think about this. A cross is probably the last thing he wants to see. He had a really rough run-in with one.

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[Bluenorthwest]

9. It is simple, and it amazes me that people like the President

do not feel like slack jawed idiots when they pontificate in starkly religious terms about political questions. Take away Obama's religious language and when asked about equality, you get a man staring blankly saying nothing at all. His entire argument is that God is against it, he proposes no other reason, and thus, no reasoning at all. He is simply saying "I think this way" using God as some device of insulation.
Any adult person should be chagrined to stand there and talk like that. Like some old redneck racist rattling on about being God's favorite and not a bit different.

[bigwillq]

10. Great post!

:thumbsup:

[Armstead]

11. Even if God were against it (which I'm pretty sure s/he is not.)...

...People should be focusing on their own relationship with the Spirit, not anyone else's.

And besides, if everyone took the message of Jesus in the Bible literally, we'd have a very different society anyway. Much less materialistic and judgmental.

All that is up to individual interpretation though. If someone else chooses to roll the cosmic dice, that's their own personal business.

[RC]

12. Rights exist because we do, not because government grants them to us.

[Lugnut]

13. K&R

I wish I could rec this post 100 times.

[LiberalFighter]

14. Points to stress

1) If marriage is a sacred institution then why wasn't it encouraged more until about the 1500's?

2) If marriage is such a sacred institution in the USA then why wasn't it the standard for everyone during colonial days and why wasn't it an absolute even in the 1800's?

3) If the supposed unmarried Jesus wasn't married then why would marriage be an issue when he wasn't married while still in his early 30's?

4) Why would those against marriage for others really need to be strongly against it when they believe that those marrying against their belief will not be accepted by Jesus?

[damonm]

15. 14th Amendment. Equal Protection Clause. End of f^@#ing discussion.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. AMEN!! Well done!! n/t

[Blasphemer]

17. I think we all have a personal stake in this issue

And in all issues related to equality and civil rights. Rights taken away from one can be just as easily taken away from us all. The more we accept that there are fundamental human rights to which we are all entitled, the more we can collectively alleviate suffering. The bottom line is that we are all in this together and it's time we started accepting that fact and working proactively for the common good. Conservatives who fight against marriage equality do so because the last thing they want is a populace that accepts collectivism.