Republicans Say They’ve Already Agreed To A Concession In Debt Fight: Raising The Debt Limit

[Cali_Democrat]

LOL! This is why you can't negotiate with Republicans.

Republicans Say They’ve Already Agreed To A Concession In Debt Fight: Raising The Debt Limit
Brian Beutler | July 11, 2011, 3:27PM

Republican leaders won't accept tax increases in exchange for deep entitlement cuts, and say they'll only raise the national debt limit in exchange for a spending cut package that's revenue neutral.

That leaves them vulnerable to the charge that they're not negotiating in good faith -- that they're refusing to budge on anything of ideological importance to them under the threat of a catastrophic debt default. So they need an answer when pressed: If President Obama has agreed in principle to cut entitlements, over howls of protests from members of his party, what are Republicans prepared to offer that amounts to similar political risk in their own party.

Here's what they've settled on: We'll agree to raise the debt limit!

At his weekly press availability House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) said the key Republican concession is "the fact that we are voting -- the fact that we are even discussing voting for a debt ceiling increase." He claimed this was a significant move. "What I don't think the White House understands is how difficult it is for fiscal conservatives to say they're going to vote to pay for a debt ceiling increase."

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The Republicans want any new debt ceiling deal to contain 100% spending cuts and no new taxes. Obama has already conceded about 85% in spending cuts and only wants about 15% in new revenue. Republicans won't even agree to that.

This is the point where you tell the Republicans to FUCK OFF. Any knew "deal" will be SHIT anyways.

Obama should tell Boner to take his proposal and SHOVE IT UP HIS ASS!

[provis99]

1. and now the Republicans look like they are the compromising ones.

And Obama, with his stupid veto threat, looks intransigent.

[Tx4obama]

7. The Republicans do NOT look like the compromising ones

Agreeing to VOTE is not a compromise. They didn't even say that they would vote 'yes'.

Of course they are planning to vote 'NO'.

President Obama looks like the only adult in the room!

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[Palmer Eldritch]

11. quit acting like you know what an Independent thinks.

[provis99]

13. I study Independents for a living. They are the basis of my dissertation.

I know a hell of a lot more about them than you.

[Tx4obama]

21. Poll shows that Obama's approval rating with Independents has gone UP

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x708220

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[awoke_in_2003]

32. to their supporters...

who are, of course, dumbasses- if this occurs they will think the R's compromised. We know different, but they don't

[Joe the Revelator]

12. What? How does agreeing to do what has to be done mean your compromising?

[bornskeptic]

19. Sure, they're compromising by agreeing not to create a global economic disaster

if they can cut off Grandma's Social Security and Medicare. Big of them, isn't it?

[CakeGrrl]

14. Oh, that's crap. They just need to remind people how many times the R's

raised the debt limit under GWB.

[guruoo]

16. Fox News ticker? nt

[dionysus]

30. where do you even come up with silly stuff like that? jeebus

:rofl:

[blueclown]

2. But it was easy for those same fiscal conservatives to rubber stamp Bush for 8 years.

How many debt limit increases did Cantor vote for while Bush was president?

[ProSense]

3. Well, that's settled because

haven't you heard: Obama has already caved. They're just waiting three weeks and holding a bunch of meeting for show before announcing it.

[COLGATE4]

29. You may be closer to the truth than you realize...

[Drale]

4. How about we play the repukes game

Set up a pure vote on only the debt ceiling and promise to vote on cutting entitlements and then after the ceiling is raised tell them to fuck off and never vote on entitlements.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. +1000

:thumbsup:

[Xipe Totec]

5. Yea, they stole our wallet, but are willing to give a quarter of the money back

They'll even go so far as giving half of it back, to show they can be accommodating.

[baldguy]

9. Here's the quarter they give back.

[Xipe Totec]

10. Good thing I didn't have a mouthful of Merlot

over a beige carpet.

:spray:

[Armstead]

6. Got to give them credit for chutzpah

[applegrove]

15. Yes they just move the goalposts to the extreme and state that as their goal. Then it looks like a

deal was made if they don't get their goal.

[mzmolly]

20. Ha!

Larry O'Donnell was right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x708255

[Pooka Fey]

23. "We do not negotiate with terrorists", except we do - stupidly

[vaberella]

26. Except we HAVE to considering they make up half of the governing body of this nation.

People give me a break. Stop looking at everything through this narrowed lense. We're supposed to be able to realize when unfortunately we need discuss something with these people if we need anything to get done in this nation. We can't just say they're terrorists and say fuck it. It doesn't work that way and I'm tired of listening to shit like that on this board.

[Cali_Democrat]

27. "I'm tired of listening to shit like that on this board"

You always seem to be complaining about the posters on DU. Why do you continue to post here if you're so unhappy?

Makes no sense. :crazy:

[Pooka Fey]

34. Discuss? Get things done? The Wing-Nuts are philosophically opposed to these qualities.

John F. Kennedy said, "We cannot negotiate with those who say, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable."”

Go argue with him.

[rbixby]

24. Why does it seem like this is house republicans vs the president?

Doesn't he realize that he has to also court the democrat controlled senate too?

[Bake]

25. Cantor needs to GO in the next election.

Shorting US Treasuries = TREASON. I wish I lived in his district so I could vote against the bastard.

Bake

[Cali_Democrat]

31. Cantor is shorting US treasuries?

[Bake]

33. I don't have a link. I read here that it has been reported.

whether he is or isn't, he still needs to go. Maybe the people in his district will wake up and give him the boot in '12.

Bake

[Safetykitten]

28. And there you have it. Why when dealing with republicans is this a surprise?

[jmowreader]

35. CD, you missed the important part

"They'll only raise the national debt limit in exchange for a spending cut package that's revenue neutral."

In other words, they want to use the spending cuts to pay for tax cuts.

Someone needs to send the president an ax handle, which he is to use to beat senseless any Republican that utters the phrases "tax cuts" or "revenue neutrality."

The MINIMUM correct ratio of tax increases to spending cuts is 1:1--one dollar increased revenue, which can only be applied to deficit reduction, for each dollar of reduced spending--and the first place to reduce spending is in crap like ballistic missile defense. The Republicans want to turn our military into a lean mean terrorist-killin' machine? Terrorists don't have ICBMs.