There will be no Primary challenge.

[YellowCosmicSun]

Obama will be the Democratic nominee, and he will win in November.

The real question is "What can we do to remove some of the stumbling blocks that stood in his way during the first term?"

[SidDithers]

1. You mean Randall Terry and Lee Mercer Jr. don't count?...

:thumbsup:

Sid

[Andy823]

2. That's simple

Make sure that republicans don't keep control of the house, and that they also lose seats in the senate. We also have to go after any of the democrats that are only DINO's, and who are in the pockets of the corporations. Find someone to run against them in their primaries and work to defeat them.

[vroomvroom]

57. We HAD control of the House -- The REAL problem is Democrats are ALSO wholly owned.

Lets face the facts. Most democrats dont work for the people. Sadly a primary challenge still doesnt solve the problem of replacing one DINO in the white house with another that will become one as soon as he gets in. The key is to somehow get public financing. Until then i see no point handing my money any more to Obama, and i question wasting my time voting for him in November.

[TheWraith]

67. The Republicans appreciate your support. nt

[polichick]

3. The "primary challenge" will be those people occupying Wall Street and...

...the rest of the country. Let the games begin...

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[polichick]

17. Nice try.

[Vanje]

39. +10000

[YellowCosmicSun]

49. They won't be on any ballot. Obama will be the nominee.

[Bluenorthwest]

43. This is correct.

The challenge comes direct from the People, the challenge is for Obama to rise to the occasion and speak for the People. We are the ones we have been waiting for, but is he? We shall see.

[geek tragedy]

63. They are not participants in the election, so

this is a bizarre statement.

[treestar]

4. Amen, the energy should be going to identifying the

districts and Senate seats where we could make a difference.

[YellowCosmicSun]

7. Pissing and moaning is easier than getting people elected.

[Union Scribe]

59. I guess that's why you do so much of the former.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. Then why is it that you never get that information out?

I mean, if the metric is identifying districts to win, you are not meeting that metric by complaining about others.
Leadership is done by example. Kvetching is not leadership.

[treestar]

46. That's rich. I have to do all the work

and in the meantime, if I don't do it, others get to sit around and kvetch.

I'm attending to my own district. This is a message board where people can tell us about their districts and ask for help.

[Dragonfli]

5. I saddens me to agree, but we will be stuck with a right winger no matter what we vote for

The only choices I have left are local, I will not vote for more free trade and austerity, I may be many things but an enabler of my enemies is not one of them.

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[Dragonfli]

10. Free trade, unending war, a free pass for bankers and austerity are not delusions, but Obama policy.

Ignore what he does at your own peril, in the end the defunding of social programs and the cuts he wants for them will affect everyone but the limousine liberals, I am sadly not one of those.

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. There will not be a credible primary challenger. He will be the nominee. But it is simply too

early to know if he will likely win in November. When an economy is perceived as down and in a state of malaise - the incumbent president almost always loses. However there have been some rare exceptions to that pattern. This time there may very well be one of those very, very rare exceptions - because the Republicans may simply not be capable of nominating a candidate who is narrow enough ideologically to unify their very ideologically narrow party and broad enough ideologically to win nationally. Also the recent events in the Occupy Wall Street movement does indicate that if Obama is willing and able to align himself with economic populism -- This would both enthuse most of the Democratic base and re-channel the frustration over the economy away from the administration - directing it toward the banks and Wall Street interest who are far more associated in the publics mind with the Republican Party. But it will take a lot to break the general historic pattern and see an incumbent win during the economic circumstances that will almost certainly be in place during October/November 2012. But it can be done.

So yes -

1. There will be no credible primary Challenger to Obama.

2. Obama will be the Democratic Nominee.

3. Obama has a fair to good chance of winning in November


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[msongs]

11. the biggest "Stumbling block" in Obama's way is...Obama himself nt

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[rury]

19. BULLSHIT...

President Obama is not a dictator or a king.
He needs Congress to cooperate and instead of being recalcitrant and obstructionist!!!!

[Lorien]

34. He sure as hell ain't a helpless victim, either

he does want he WANTS to do; promote and cover for the right wing and the 1%.

[woo me with science]

21. Yes, his vision is a Republican corporate Vision.

Well, technically a Third Way corporate vision, but their policy goals are essentially the same as those of corporate Republicans.

[Lorien]

33. Yep. He's been a massive disappointment, at best

a corrupt tool of the corporate class, at worst.

[great white snark]

13. Yup, and every responsible Democrat will forgo any punishing when the primaries end.

Until there is a viable alternative it is us against them.

Is this a scare tactic? Well...Republican rule should scare you.

[iamthebandfanman]

27. the fact that we only get two options

should scare you...


we can both agree to be scared eh ?

is that anyway to live ?

[Mr Deltoid]

14. Every week a thread with this name appears

Not sure what the point is....to appease the walking wounded I guess.

[YellowCosmicSun]

23. To state the obvious?

[alp227]

15. Did anyone see Romney on yesterday PBS Newshour

JUDY WOODRUFF: And a closing thought. The anti-Wall Street protests that have spread around the country, what do you - any identifying with their frustration? What do you think?

MITT ROMNEY: Well, I think a lot of people recognize that there's a great deal of frustration in this country. You've got millions and millions of Americans who can't find work. People have stopped looking for work. People have got part-time jobs and need full-time employ. Home values have gone down dramatically. People are upset and angry, for good reason.

Maybe someone will primary Barack Obama. Look, he came in with a very different set of promises, and now, three years later, things are worse than he - than he had when he came in. I think even he's admitted things are - people are worse off now. So of course they're angry.

"Romney Hopes for Faster Afghanistan Withdrawal if Generals OK Plan"

[ProSense]

16. So

"Romney Hopes for Faster Afghanistan Withdrawal if Generals OK Plan"

...Multiple Choice Mitt is hoping the President faces a primary? Wonder why? Someone should ask him if he agrees with progressive Democrats.

Dems use 10th anniversary to urge end to Afghan war

On the 10th anniversary of the war in Afghanistan, a growing chorus of liberal House Democrats is calling for its end.

"Let’s not forget why we entered Afghanistan 10 years ago: to find Osama bin Laden and prevent Al-Qaeda from using the country as a base to attack the United States," Rep. Louise Slaughter (N.Y.), senior Democrat on the Rules Committee, said Thursday in a statement.

"Bin Laden is gone, Al-Qaeda has been scattered around the globe, and yet we continue to risk the lives of brave Americans and squander billions of dollars after a decade of interminable conflict," she added. "It has to stop."

Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said the U.S. simply can't afford the conflict any longer — an issue he said should resonate with an administration searching for ways to cut deficit spending.

<...>

Maybe the next time he brings up Aghanistan, someone in the media could also ask him about his new foreign policy team's advocacy of war with Iran.

[rury]

20. Sounds like Romney is afraid of President Obama in a general election

Wants a "primary challenge" to render him damaged and weakened.....won't happen!
Mittens Romney=:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[rury]

18. Convince misinformed and uninformed voters to think about

Their most pertinent interests and send an overwhelming number of progressive Democrats to Congress in 2012.
That way President Obama's progressive agenda gets passed and SIGNED INTO LAW!!!!!!!!

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[dionysus]

24. "dims" huh? your slip is showing

[NorthCarolina]

25. Stumbling blocks like a 60 Dem Senate majority, and Dem control of the House? nt

[YellowCosmicSun]

31. There was never a Democratic Supermajority.

To claim that only demonstrates ignorance.

[NorthCarolina]

40. When Al Franken finally took his seat

the count in the Senate was

57 Democrats
2 Independents (Sanders/Lieberman)that caucus with the Democratic Party
1 Sen. Arlen Specter who switched from (R) to (D)
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60 Total

Math is fundamental.

[JoePhilly]

41. And Kennedy died less than 2 months later .... you do know that, right?

Al Franken was seated on: July 7th, 2009

Ted Kennedy dies, August 25, 2009.

So, they had 60 votes for about 6 weeks.

Math is fundamental.

[NorthCarolina]

42. The question was

Did Dems have 60 caucus members or not...the correct answer is "Yes". Math IS fundamental.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

54. One thing that always amused me with the 'the dems had 60 votes'

is that before Obama was elected most here on DU was talking about how the Blue Dogs were just republicans in democratic clothing and totally untrustworthy since they would often side with the reps

Obama is elected and a lot of people seems to ignore the whole Blue Dog aspect of the democratic party and suddenly considers them democrats that would vote in the best interest of the dem party and people overall rather then side with the reps again

[JoePhilly]

55. So you win a lame argument with some other DUer about if the Dems ever

had a 60 vote majority ... wow ... you should feel very proud.

The real point is that the 60 vote majority lasted for less than 2 months, hardly enough time to do much ... and even that's if you pretend there were no Blue Dog Dems or Joe Lieberman to contend with.

To ignore such things demonstrates a level of political naivete, that should embarrass you.

[YellowCosmicSun]

50. Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. Neither is Bernie Sanders.

Actually being a Democrat is fundamental.

[treestar]

48. This particular point is the most absurd ever

And contradicts the concept that the left does not move in lock step.

[iamthebandfanman]

26. yeah, the first 2 years of democratic control

over both houses stood in the way :)

if anyone has taken anything from the last 3-4 years i hope that its the letter beside someones name doesnt necessarily mean they agree with your ideological stances (even remotely)...

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Exactly, and the only ones hankering for a primary are disciples of...

Ms. Hamsher, of NorquistDogLake, and her Republican clients. :hi:

[flamingdem]

29. That's the hamtruth ThD nt

[YellowCosmicSun]

32. A pox upon her.

[Mr Deltoid]

30. "What can we do to remove some of the stumbling blocks that stood in his way during the first term?"

Ditch the failed centrism.

[Exilednight]

51. Let's be honest, we all know that words like pragmatism are just another way

of saying triangulation.

[Bloke 32]

35. Of course not!

Bollocks to fools who support such nonsense!

[BlueIris]

36. I doubt it there will be a primary, but I can't see him being the nominee.

At all.

[Douglas Carpenter]

37. why? What do you think will happen that will prevent him from becoming the nominee ?

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[Douglas Carpenter]

47. well.....I don't know. Perhaps she is privy to discussions at the meetings of the illuminati?

If someone says that they don't think Obama will face a primary challenge but also doesn't think there is any possibility that they will be the nominee - do they know something the rest of the world doesn't know?

[geek tragedy]

65. Maybe she has a firearm at home? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

58. again I just have to ask, why are you so confident that Obama will not be the nominee yet you have

said that you do not think he will have a serious primary challenge? Why do you think this?

[geek tragedy]

64. Reality is not a frequent visitor to your home, is it? nt

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[Puglover]

53. Edit MUST PLAY NICE PUGLOVER!

[Vanje]

66. Hmmmmmm

[MNBrewer]

52. Depends on the direction he wants to go

If it's more of the same "look forward, not back", I volunteer to be a stumbling block.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

56. Either

a solidly Democratic House (quite possible) and filibuster-proof Senate (unlikely) or a Congress in which Republicans will actually work with a re-elected President Obama and resurgent Democratic Party to actually get back to governing without this extreme obstructionism that we've seen the past 2-3 years and actually help do things to help get this country moving again. Hopefully, the Republicans get such a huge a**-whooping in November 2012 that the "moderates" in the Republican Party are left with no political choice but to attempt to regain control over whatever is left of the GOP and dump the Tea Party wing (or stop letting it influence them). :shrug: The voters, however, will ultimately have to be the ones to decide when they've had enough of the madness and really do something about it at the ballot box.

[Beacool]

60. Stumbling blocks? Do you mean other than himself?

Obama will have to contend with a Republican held House and he'll be lucky if the Democrats hold a narrow lead in the Senate.

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[AtomicKitten]

61. How to remove the stumbling blocks? Re-take the House, increase their majority

in the Senate, and then make every single Congressional Democrat sign a pledge to vote with the party on all procedural votes and quit joining the Republicans filibusters. Then they can vote however they want on the actual bill.

Oh and when people allege the Democrats squandered the 60-vote majority in the Senate when they had it, remind them that Pres Obama only had a 60-vote majority in the Senate for 49 days. That's it, 49 days.

Al Franken was sworn in to the Senate on July 7, 2009, 246 days after the November 2008 election. Kennedy died of brain cancer on Tuesday, August 25, 2009. That's 49 days that Obama maybe had a Senate which had a 60 vote plurality to avoid the virtual filibuster. Truth be told Teddy was unable to vote for the last three months and only came once to vote for Health Care Reform, in effect Teddy wasn't really there at all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x781184#781575

* lifted from joshcryer