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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:10 PM Original message |
The Spectacle of a Bin Laden Trial |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Me too. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. Boy Howdy |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
103. I wonder what we'd say if Pakistanis had found him first? |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. If it's not too late, try "spectacle" on edit. Signed, the "moran" guy. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Thanks |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think there would be... |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Good point...something I've not heard proffered in the MSM. |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I definitely think they took into account... |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sometimes due process and following the law can be ugly and messy |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. It's posts like yours that keep me returning to DU even when it is |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. Would have been fine at the International Criminal Court. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Even though this is exactly the kind of thing the ICC was created for. |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. I believe the Bush administration exited the ICC. |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. ICC's jurisdiction... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. Nevertheless, that would be my preference. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. +1 |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Trust & Respect |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
78. They didn't kill Bin laden "to prevent" a trial. I beleiev they did it |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. the republicans would not allow it to happen in the united states. they would insist on the military |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Like our mental health has survived the insanity since 9/11/2001. The |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
11. so they should have killed OJ too |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
54. No, Just Bin Laden |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yeah, we should get rid of trials altogether. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I advocate that we execute anyone accused of a capital crime without |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I'm amazed this thinking has become so commonplace here. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. That's the 'MPROW Syndrome.' (My President, right or wrong). Based on |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
106. Nope, it would have been the only time I tip my hat to *. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
110. no, you're wrong. even if bumbling bush had managed to get him, democrats would not be arguing on |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. I'm Thinking POTUS |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Good, so I've got your viewpoint now. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Well |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. In this case only until some other president wants to do it. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. They Do, It's Called Shoot The Defendent |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Do you have a cite for that? NT |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. FOX News |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. At least you know from where your ideas originate. NT |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
109. Imagine how much money California could have saved by simply executing OJ Simpson |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Law Is For The Rich |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. And people whose trials would be messy get assassinated? |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Nope, Just This One |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. So this is a one time only deal? |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Yep, One Time Deal |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Fuck a trial. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I Had Too Many Children |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Apparently you despise international law, too. NT |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. What International Law? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Having a corrupt attorney deem it so doesn't make it legal. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. It's Rigged |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I have no doubt of that. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Had I Known How Corrupt The Process Was |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
100. Well according to Brian Williams in Panetta interview, we should've assassinated Saddam & Ghadafi. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. No one said that. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. That's where the slope inevitably leads. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I don't see the slope as slippery here |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You're so far behind the curve as to be behind the starting gate. For |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
79. I've seen it said both ways so far |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #39 |
108. this is getting ridiculous, frankly. "Those who gave the orders, though, might be advised to seek |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. But it's saying that assassination is OK. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
80. Assassination can by OK |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Against an active threat if it's the last option. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. If Hitler can be assassinated, why not OBL? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. No way to take OBL alive? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. OBL was the leader of Al Qaeda, a group that launched |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
113. He was taken out from a distance. He could have just as easily |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. There was a lot more controversy over the idea of assassinating Hitler than you seem to think |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Valkyrie was probably the best chance they had. But Hitler was actively overseeing genocide |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
14. We don't believe in trials if they might be a spectacle? |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. What Are You Talking About |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
87. I'm a strong believer in the 2nd Amendment. Your argument is watery nonsense to me. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
15. Not to mention every dickhead in the Middle East would be taking hostages |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. That is my thought too... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. Every dickhead in the Middle East has a lot of more immediate problems on their plate |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. Yet The Extremists Find Time |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. That's very true. and has nothing to do with bin Laden. n/t |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
70. Indeed |
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6000eliot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
27. They haven't been able to try ANYONE they have in custody, have they? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
30. Probably because those that pen the laws of civilization don't have TV cameras |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
32. He was not going to surrender for trial |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
33. Yes! |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
44. Everyone thought that about the Blind Sheik Rahman who |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
53. Geezus, how fragile are we? |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. It's The Media |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. The world has always been a dangerous place. Always. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Tell that to the people who endured the crazies during Brown v Education. |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. +1 |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. No kidding. I guess laws are only for when everything is easy. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. This country is besotted with its own image of bin Laden |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Fear works really well on Dems also. n/t |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Laws Are Broken Everyday |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. So I guess we scrap the whole system because people break laws? |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Is It Silly |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I've very sorry for what you're going thorough - I agree that we have a |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
69. It would be a fucking circus... |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yet another pro-assassination, anti rule of law thread |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Okay, so... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
111. go to your nearest street corner wearing a sandwich board complaining about how bin laden's human |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
81. Should Bin Laden get a jury trial or a military trial? Should he be in jail in the US? |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Those questions... |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. As one of Obama's Dem predecessors said (or had a plaque saying, can't remember which): |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I have to ask you ... |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Juries do not 'sentence' anyone in the United States, that function |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I agree with the person you're replying to |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. You pretty much summed up my point. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I'm sorry, truly sorry, that you have so little faith in such quaint and |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. Actually Bin Laden declared and waged war on the US |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Aside from the logical absurdity of an individual declaring and waging war on a |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. Take it up with Bin Laden |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Quit being obtuse. You are calling people on DU terrorists |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
86. OBL said he would never be taken alive, and he was right. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
88. Anti-Muslim sentiment during such a trial would have been SO HIGH as to surely cause |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. I think so too.... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
93. That isn't a good reason. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. 'The rule of law,' I've sadly come to conclude, ain't what she |
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