Hillary TOLD YOU SO!

[Segami]

:smoke:



" At a New York political event last week, Republican and Democratic office-holders were all bemoaning President Obama’s handling of the debt-ceiling crisis when someone said, “Hillary would have been a better president.” “Every single person nodded, including the Republicans,” reported one observer.


At a luncheon in the members’ dining room at the Metropolitan Museum of Art on Saturday, a 64-year-old African-American from the Bronx was complaining about Obama’s ineffectiveness in dealing with the implacable hostility of congressional Republicans when an 80-year-old lawyer chimed in about the president’s unwillingness to stand up to his opponents. “I want to see blood on the floor,” she said grimly. A 61-year-old white woman at the table nodded. “He never understood about the ‘vast right-wing conspiracy,’” she said. Looking as if she were about to cry, an 83-year-old Obama supporter shook her head. “I’m so disappointed in him,” she said. “It’s true: Hillary is tougher.”


During the last few days, the whispers have swelled to an angry chorus of frustration about Obama’s perceived weaknesses. Many Democrats are furious and heartbroken at how ineffectual he seemed in dealing with Republican opponents over the debt ceiling, and liberals are particularly incensed by what they see as his capitulation to conservatives on fundamental liberal principles. In Connecticut, a businessman who raised money for Obama in 2008 said, “I’m beyond disgusted.” In New Jersey, a teacher reported that even her friends in the Obama administration are grievously disillusioned with his lack of leadership—and many have begun to whisper about a Democratic challenge for the 2012 presidential nomination. “I think people are furtively hoping that Hillary runs,” she said.



The son of a longtime Democratic congressman from Texas, a 73-year-old lawyer, is so enraged with Obama that he’s threatening not to vote for the 2012 Democratic ticket—the first time in his entire life that he’s contemplated such apostasy. Among many of the 18 million Americans who supported Hillary Clinton in 2008, the reaction is simple and bitter: “We told you so.” On Real Time With Bill Maher, the host said that as far as he was concerned, Obama might as well be a Republican, and added that he thought last week represented the tipping point in Obama’s presidency. Wondering if liberals have “buyer’s remorse” about Obama, Maher asked his panel whether Clinton would have been a better president.



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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/07/hillary-clinton-2012-calls-grow-with-anger-at-obama-debt-capitulation.html




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[Broderick]

1. I knew where she stood

All I had to go on with the other was a voting record of "present". Guess, we are finding out now why he voted present to run as a Democrat. Oddly, one vote he voted "nay" was on the debt ceiling being raised. Strange to me.

[KittyWampus]

12. The bullshit "present vote"? A rightwing talking point from day one. Sickening

[Broderick]

19. Not right wing at all

It was brought up by Hillary in the primaries.

"On issue after issue that really were hard to explain or understand, you voted present . . . And anytime anyone raises that, there's always some kind of explanation." - Hillary Clinton

[Obamanaut]

38. According to these links, there were no (zero) 'present' votes in the US

Senate by (then) Senator Obama, but there were 129 in the state senate.


http://factcheck.org/2008/09/obamas-legislative-record/

129 times as a state senator

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/feb/08/sarah-palin/palin-says-obama-voted-present-us-senate-very-ofte/

None as a US senator

[Broderick]

44. I am going back in history

So my point was made. I am glad Obama won the presidency, without a doubt. But I felt at that time, She was a better choice in the primaries. But I can't change where we are at today, and can only hope he gets re-elected. I can't fathom a Republican congress and a split Senate with a Palin or a Bachman or even a Romney in that chair.

[dionysus]

33. how many posts in this thread till someone starts crying "REZKO11!1!1"

[DevonRex]

49. Or that *wink wink*

we just don't know that much about him.

[dionysus]

51. and he did... teh drugs!1!11!11

:hi:

[DevonRex]

56. And he had a

Fro!!!!!!

[dionysus]

58. and he stole it from Cornel West!!!11

[democrat_patriot]

17. "The Other" ?? The OTHER?

Senator McCain is that you?

It's President Obama.

[dionysus]

37. shades of "THAT ONE!11!"

:rofl:

[DevonRex]

50. Shit. "the other?". WTF? Black guy not even worthy of a name?

[dionysus]

53. he'll forever be teh "inadequate black male (tm)" to some.

;)

[DevonRex]

57. I got $20 that woman is

here.

[marmar]

2. Mon dieu......This sh*t will never end.

Strong unrec for needless sh*t-stirring.

[HughBeaumont]

22. It's as if everyone's forgotten she was a corporatist also.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2480831

They don't vet, you don't see them. That's how this works.

Our problems are beyond presidents at this point. The whole system is corporately compromised.

[marmar]

28. "Our problems are beyond presidents at this point. The whole system is corporately compromised."

SCREAMS from "Amen" corner. :applause:

[nc4bo]

34. And an A-Amen from the opposite corner! nt

[HughBeaumont]

41. Lays it all out here . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2548015#2550673

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

54. But everyone knew she was a corporatist

Obama had his corporistism(?) hidden until after he got elected.

[malaise]

3. Oh yes remember how hard she and Bill fought for

Healthcare and Welfare

[DURHAM D]

16. What did Hillary do on welfare?

[ProSense]

4. “'Every single person nodded,

including the Republicans,' reported one observer."

:rofl:

[KittyWampus]

13. Roomful of PUMAS?

[dionysus]

30. all in their 70s and 80s too... was the "inadequate black male" lady there too?

:spray:

[nc4bo]

5. Nah. She'd just have the benefit of having a familiar name.

Gut feeling says we'd STILL be fighting these same fights with the groups of criminals and the same people enabling the criminals with the same fear of disturbing the status quo.

System is corrupt. We've done nothing to correct the problems that got us where we are today.

[Gold Metal Flake]

6. Is she running in the primary?

[Renew Deal]

7. Obama was a genius for putting Hillary in his administration

Because it shut down all the idiotic and bitter "primary" talk.

[Luciferous]

8. .....

:popcorn:

[LynneSin]

9. Armchair Quarterbacking

:D

[William769]

Hillary will get slammed in this thread

Not for anything she said, but what other people are saying.

All she is doing right now is President Obamas bidding.

Take it for what it's worth.

[DURHAM D]

21. Yep - Hillary slamming is how Obama supporters

make themselves feel better.

I wish Obama's numbers and policies would change for the better so this shit can stop.

[William769]

23. Well since they refuse to blame President Obama for his short comings, they have to blame someone.

[dionysus]

25. no problem with hillary here. the OP is trying to rekindle the primary war.

[NashVegas]

43. Blah Blah Blah Primary War Blah Blah

Which war was that? The one where two candidates were running against each other, or the one where DU proponents of any candidate other than Obama were harassed in the attempt to shut down any negative talk about his record, platforms, actions, or other policies?

Cause when you and others talk about "reliving the primary wars" it sounds a fuckofalot like any mainstream media whore telling people they'd better not start a class war, or else ...

[dionysus]

45. it's recycling the same bitter bullshit from 3 years ago. sorry if the truth offends you (not).

:rofl:

[DevonRex]

52. Pisses you off that Hillary takes orders from Obama, huh.

[JohnnyLib2]

26. Nicely said.

:thumbsup:

[JohnnyLib2]

36. Slamming has gone over the top downthread.

Jeez.

[closeupready]

10. Yep. She was right - "Change you can Xerox."

Change is just a word.

That soundbite was actually discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4727158&mesg_id=4727267

[NashVegas]

46. Wow. Memories

Funniest thing about that thread is how many sock puppets are probably in there.

[Amimnoch]

59. *sniffle* Ted.....

Reading the thread and remembering the very angry posts back and fourth.. then I saw the references to Ted Kennedy..

Damn he was great. The pukes would have had a hell of a lot more of a fight on their hands if he was still around and in the Senate.

[closeupready]

63. Oh, yeah. He was a fighter, big time.

Very sad he's gone. :(

[joeybee12]

11. This thread is simply stating the obvious since millions more would have been

better than Obama.

[killbotfactory]

14. I like her anti-war stances in the senate, and her primary platform proposing ending the wars now!

I also liked her "don't bailout the banks, create a WPA program and invest at least 2 trillion in the economy, anything less I will veto!" promise.

And since we are dealing with fantasy, I also liked her strong support for single-payer.

[KittyWampus]

15. The article written is one of the best examples of Ratfucking yet.

[dionysus]

27. an open attempt at sabotage it is.

[DevonRex]

55. If I didn't know better

I'd think the author wants Obama to lose to a republican.

[KeepItReal]

18. What was her vote in the Senate on the Iraq War resolution?

Obama didn't fight Bush & Co any harder in the Senate, mind you.

Just don't say Hillary is some tower of power when she could have made one stand against the war and cruised into the White House.

[Schema Thing]

20. funny, I had a friend who is a "conservative" float this idea

this past weekend.


""innocently"" telling me "I just think this all wouldn't be happening if Hillary was president".



As if he would have *ever* voted for Hillary.


This is a right-wing meme folks, and it's being enabled by the stupidest of stupid democrats.

[dionysus]

24. LOL, nice bullshit primary rehash attempt. at least this explains your zeal to trash obama.

:rofl:

[Fresh_Start]

29. So you got your I told you so out of the way,

do you have anything useful to contribute?

Unless you have a time machine, you're wasting your time and our time.

[Enrique]

31. this flawed thinking is our problem

our problem is the type of Democrat that BOTH Hillary and Obama typify. We knew about this type of Democrat, and we didn't like them, and we were right. But then the 2008 primary came along and the contest was boiled down to a choice between two of this type. People took sides and forgot that they are both disastrous for the Democratic party and for the country. I seriously hope we don't do that anymore.

[Name removed]

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[phleshdef]

35. Hillary is ideologically no different than the President other than being more hawkish.

I supported Obama over Clinton in 08. But I would have been fine with either of them. They aren't very far apart on much of anything and both were/are capable.

But if you think the political resistance coming from the other side has been nasty, having another Clinton in office would have probably redefined political nastiness, especially Hillary.

No amount of perceived "toughness" or "fighting" would have changed shit. Congress is powerful. There are a lot of conservative minded people in Congress, way more than there are progressive minded people. This was true when we had the 09-10 majority, its even more true now. A President can prevent them from doing something really stupid, but he/she can not force them to do something smart. Thats the way our country works and we haven't elected an all around progressive government in decades. We came close in 08, but not close enough. Those are the brakes. Deal with it.

[dtexdem]

39. True, but she was DLC, so I didn't trust her.

Now I find that Obama is far to her right.

Now I don't trust either.

[WilliamPitt]

40. Ugh.

[SidDithers]

42. Hilary has been a good Secretary of State...

Full credit to Obama for choosing her.

Sid

[Name removed]

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[Safetykitten]

48. Have heard these kind of comments also from friends.

[RoadRage]

60. You're probably right.. because she's not BLACK

Why the hell do you think Obama faces opposition to REPUBLICAN ideals when he tries everything possible to get something to pass through? The GOP can NOT let a "black man" be a successful president - and they're doing everything possible to make him appear as inept as they where hoping he would be.

So, my question is - do we let the GOP get away with it? Yeah.. Hillary may have had the correct skin color, and the GOP has no problem ticking off minorities - they have already lost those votes. It's tougher to be sexists.. they haven't lost all of the female vote (yet).

But just because Obama is being battered doesn't mean it's because he's not trying or doing a good job. It's because his skin color offends the GOP so much that they refuse to allow him any success if possible.

[Mz Pip]

61. Armchair quarterbacking

I doubt things would have been much different. Conservatives hated the Clintons and would have made her life in the WH hell. The scriptmight have been a bit different (no phony birth certificate nonsense) but they would have dredged up all the old investigations and rumors and probably added a few new slimes to the mix.

[Odin2005]

62. Hilary is just as much a corporatist as Obama. Fuck this PUMA shit.

[Poll_Blind]

67. ^ This.

PB

[seabeyond]

64. like people created illusion obama was liberal, people are pretending the same with hillary

hillary is more right than obama. not by much. but those were our two choices way back when

[Chorophyll]

65. I always kinda liked her but this has flamebait written all over it.

Better to try to move forward as best we can.

[ZombieHorde]

66. On policy, Obama and Hillary seemed extremely similar to me. nt

[GSLevel9]

68. God Bless her... I'd trade Obama and all the change in my ashtray for her... nt