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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:19 PM
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Why Time Magazine's Person of the Year choice is SO Incredibly Revealing
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 08:34 PM by Land Shark
From both internet policy perspectives as well as transparency and accountability perspectives, Time Magazine's Person of the Year choice is astounding. First, look at the choice of Person of the Year (named further below) in light of TIME Magazine's own Readers' Poll results

The Time Readers' Poll -- which is now closed -- shows Assange in first place, easily way ahead of everyone else for Time's 2010 Person of the Year:

1. Julian Assange 382,026 votes, and 92% avg rating (all voters)
2. Recep Tayyip Erdogan 233,639 (avg rating 80%
3. Lady Gaga 146,378 (avg rating 70%)
4. Jon Stewart and John Colber 78,145, (avg rating 81%)
{snip}
6. Barack Obama 27,478 (avg rating 58%)
8. the Chilean Miners 29,124 (avg rating 47%).
9. The Unemployed American 19,605 (avg rating 66%)
10. Marc Zuckerberg 18,353 (avg rating 52%)

{snip}
See http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2028734_2029036,00.html



SO, after the Time Readers' Poll, WHO IS TIME'S PERSON OF THE YEAR?

Well.... There was a "NOTE" attached to the Readers' Poll" to the direct effect that "TIME's editors who choose the actual Person of the Year reserve the right to disagree."

And, boy, did Time editors ever disagree with the people that are their own readers and customers.

With a publication date of today (December 15, 2010) they chose the 10th place finisher, Marc Zuckerbook of Facebook for the 2010 Person of the Year.

Zuckerberg got one lousy vote for every 20.8 votes Assange got from Time Readers' Poll, and more tellingly, all TIME readers voted on every candidate, and Zuckerberg got only about half the positive ranking Assange got for an average rating. (A 52% average rating for Zuckerberg, a whopping 92% for Assange).

See http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,2036683,00.html

But, to me, the biggest contrast and biggest shock, bigger than choosing the 10th place finisher over the first place finisher in the Readers' Poll, is the stark contrast between #1 Assange and #10 Zuckerberg on WHOSE transparency should get facilitated:



Assange is all about transparency/accountability for the powerful, while Facebook (while it has other functions) is about transparency (and necessarily accountability of various kinds) for the average people. Facebook for example, is being monitored by US government officials to gather information and intelligence on its own citizens in certain contexts. Things like Facebook make it enormously easier for the government to monitor aspects of the private lives of netizens
who often innocently think they're sharing just with their "Facebook friends."

TIME has had Hitler as man of the year decades ago, and routinely stresses that selection of a Person of the Year isn't a personal endorsement.

But it is telling, isn't it, that if TIME thinks Zuckerberg's social media is the wave of the present and of the future, TIME nevertheless had to resort to grossly undemocratic means to amplify the cause of a Facebook founder and ignore the overwhelmingly more popular cause of accountability / transparency for the powerful governments and corporations in the USA and around the world represented by Assange.

Simply put, on a definitional level: the person or entity that has the power to demand or force transparency on the other person or entity (like government) is the master, and the one who must yield their privacy pretty much whenever asked, and/or must be totally transparent when required is the servant or slave entity.



Despite the "relevance" of Zuckerberg, I find Time's choice to ignore its own readers and undemocratically choose Zuckerberg to be chilling when the type of "transparency" fostered by Facebook is compared to the type of real transparency offered and fostered by Julian Assange and
Wikileaks.



In the Assange/Zuckergerg contrast, the answer to the question of who are the ascending masters
and who the descending slaves is clear.

Well, unless, of course, Assange continues to win and decisions like TIME's Person of the Year debacle are exposed to a salutary form of transparency sometimes called criticism, or satire, or ridicule or better yet, irrelevance.

Of course, it can be argued that TIME's Editors were not thinking of this stark transparency contrast enough, including transparency's critical importance to both freedom and democracy at their very core. But that, is precisely the problem. They're not thinking much about the importance of transparency as the core of accountability that is the very heart of the freedom of self-government, aka democracy.

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IsrealBissel Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:22 PM
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1. Yeah well for folks who recently put Palin on their cover?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:27 PM
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3. Sure. ok. But Palin has at least a small radical core support, Unaccountable government has zero
That's why they have to reframe wikileaks to try to make transparency/accountability seem like something inherently bad when it's instead the very core of self-government (information necessary to intelligently self-govern). They do that by focusing on the "blown cover"-of-agents-propaganda.

But even that propaganda begs the question of the LEGALITY of the actions of any given agent whose cover is in fact blown (if any). Criminals, whether or not agents, are not entitled to protection and continuing secrecy.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:27 PM
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2. Another reason for me not to facebook.
I have slowly weening myself from using social network sites.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:25 PM
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28. and the same reason peopIe
should no longer subscribe to the "news weaklies"
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:30 PM
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4. Remember earlier this year when Newsweak was sold for a dollar?
Time Magazine as well as the rest of the traditional mainstream media are moving in that same direction.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:56 PM
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16. Exactly. And platforms like WikiLeaks are replacing the old press publications.
This kind of real, hard-hitting journalism is the wave of the future. We are entering the information age for real now, and the old way of passing on propaganda/highly censored information and calling it a "free press" are gone.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:13 AM
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36. Older TIME quote: "{Wikileaks} could become as important a journalistic tool as FOIA"
How can TIME form a rationally coherent belief that Facebook is more impactful than FOIA and transparency and the "diplomatic 9-11" (exaggeration, but anyway..) of the more recent wikileaks' disclosures?

The full context for the quote in the subject line above:

"Savvy web users, of course, know that public wikis are never trusted for their authenticity for the simple reason that anyone can post or edit them. Instead they're viewed as a first step in the research process. And if Wikileaks is used with a healthy dose of skepticism, it could become as important a journalistic tool as the Freedom of Information Act. "For journalists, I think is actually a good thing," says Kelly McBride, ethics group leader at the Poynter Institue. "This could be a place where they could go to seek documentation of something they already have some other reporting on or to find further documentation." 1/22/07 Trace Samantha Schmidt, TIMES (Washington) http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1581189,00.html

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:31 PM
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5. I just heard an interview on KTLK in Los Angeles
by a replacement for the Gail King show with an editor of the Times about the choice of Zuckerberg.

He explained that he interviewed Assange a couple of weeks ago and then chose Zuckerberg. He acknowledged that both Assange and Zuckerberg are about openness. But he felt that Zuckerberg's Facebook is more momentous because it involves something like one out of citizens of the earth and links people across national boundaries.

For me, Assange and Zuckerberg are part of the same movement, inexorable, inevitable movement toward world community. In my view, both Assange and Zuckerberg suggest that our society will change with governments becoming less important and direct contact between people beginning on the level of close friends right up to the international community will become more important.

The Wikileaks are mostly diplomatic communications. If the Facebook revolution continues (and I think it will develop into something way beyond Facebook), diplomats and their "secrets" will be far less important.

Think about what happened in Iran after their elections. How quickly we learned of the events in that distant country. It would have taken weeks, maybe months of intelligence work for a diplomat in Tehran to discover the details of the events that we learned immediately thanks to the cell phone videos and Twitter reports. Modern national defense and diplomatic intrigue could well become a thing of the past if community replaces secrecy.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:37 PM
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8. Yet look how facebook tries to shut down unincorporated movements
Movements without a "bricks and mortar" presence are ok so long as they stay off Facebook radar, but as soon as they get successful they are shut down, and only if REALLY successful (like the anti-BP campaign) can they get turned back on. That amounts to a clever way to keep dissent from catching like wildfire (no time to setup the bricks and mortar requirement for Facebook regulations)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:09 PM
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23. I am not on Facebook and did not realize that.
Thanks for telling me this.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:58 PM
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71. Teenie Boppers Unite!
"Modern national defense and diplomatic intrigue could well become a thing of the past if community replaces secrecy."

Gee...see what power pre-adolescent facebook addicts have? No wonder middle schools across the country discourage its use!
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:43 PM
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83. Facebook and wikileaks are not comparable in the least:
Wikileaks serves as a repository for information (deemed secret or otherwise) to be browsed by the people for free. Where as facebook serves as a repository of people's information (deemed private or otherwise) to be sold to other corporations for profit.

What Time is basically saying is that breaching of confidentiality is OK so long as someone figures how to make it work as a business model for a corporation.

In the end situations like these may end up helping someone wising up to the fact that it has never been about a "free market" but about a "corporate driven market." Which are two very different things. Not that there has ever existed a "free market" ever, but if it was the case under which Time was operating, the "free market" had clearly spoken by making Assange the overwhelmingly popular choice of Time's focus group. In the end it does not matter, because the "choice" will be whatever the corporation in this case decides it to be, and in this case the more "corporate friendly" choice was a monumental corporate cocksucker like Zuckerberg.

Most people still don't get that, and continue associating "corporatism" with "free market" when in reality they are closer to a different f-word: fascism.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:33 PM
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6. It'd be funny if, now that they've announced Zuckerberg, they'd put Assange on the cover...
:rofl: Shades of Bill Hader's version on SNL.

NGU.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:37 PM
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7. Too late:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:38 PM
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9. Zuckerberg's seemingly hi-def face is a bit "too much information" - 4 me anyway... nt
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:39 PM
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10. It's an interesting face. But he does have remarkable eyes.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:14 PM
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63. If they're real, they're real alien-looking. (as in ET...) nt
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:12 PM
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30. NOW I know why this Person of the Year cover gives me the creeps!
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:55 PM
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52. He's the perfect person of the year.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 02:03 PM by RichGirl
I don't know why people on this site do nothing but complain about...EVERYTHING!

This is a guy in his early 20's who is a billionaire. He's not waiting to be old before giving his money away to worthy causes. More important than his accomplishments...is the fact that he has effected the lives of billions of people all over the world. Not in an indirect way, but in a daily way he has helped people stay connected with their friends and make new friends all over the world.

Looking at him...those beautiful blue eyes, his intelligence, compassion, he is clearly an Indigo Child. (google it if you don't know what that is)

On edit: The Time person of the year is not an election, poll or popularity contest. It's the person who has had the biggest effect on the world in general in that year.

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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:28 PM
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67. And that was Zuckerberg?
He has done nothing spectacular this year as far as I know. Except being the center of a movie made over his story.

Assange is _the_ name of the year. For good and bad. I can't see any rational argument to the contrary.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:22 PM
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82. And WHAT did he do THIS year?
:shrug:

RL
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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:40 PM
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11. I watched Richard Stengel interviewed on TV news tonight
what a pitiful sight! He said - to paraphrase - that Julian Assange will be no more than a historical footnote in five years. But the imaginings of a self-conscious adolescent which takes advantage of a lost generation shall live FOREVER! Stengel claims that Facebook boasts membership numbers at 500,000. Cool. Gotta tap into that good groove!
Way to go toady Stengel.
:puke:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:42 PM
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12. That number is wrong. Facebook has 500 MILLION members.
Quite a bit different than 500,000.
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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:47 PM
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13. You're correct. My honest mistype.
Not that THAT makes it any better, IMO.
Half a billion (OK maybe a quarter billion, really) folks unlearning individualism.
'Borg' comes to mind. Ick.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:50 PM
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14. Isn't posting on Facebook all about YOU? How is that non-
individual? Does that mean DU is Borg-like also?
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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:59 PM
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17. Posting on Facebook IS all about you in a way -
"Talk to me people! Make me who I am!"
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:00 PM
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19. And it's about communication — maybe lots of it is trivial,
but when 500 million people are involved, lots of it is important, too.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:02 PM
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20. Uh, that's 500,000,000 members. You're about a thousand times
too low.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:53 PM
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15. It's absolutee bullshit
but so is Time Magazine.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:10 PM
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24. Now, now. He's the current darling of the wealthy elite
He just signed Gates/Buffett's Robber Baron Tax Avoidance Giving Pledge to shelter donate their money to charity keep it out of the hands of the people they stole it from

Zuckerberg and Icahn Join Buffett and Gates on Giving Pledge List
By MICHAEL J. DE LA MERCED

Mark Zuckerberg, the co-founder of Facebook, may be the world’s youngest billionaire. But he’s already pledging to give away most of his wealth.

He and 16 other households have joined the Giving Pledge, a campaign by Bill Gates and Warren E. Buffett to commit wealthy individuals to giving away at least half of their holdings during their lifetimes or after their deaths.

“People wait until late in their career to give back,” Mr. Zuckerberg, 26, said in a statement. “But why wait when there is so much to be done?”

(If the recent valuations of Facebook are to be believed, he’ll have a lot to give away. Forbes recently estimated his net worth on paper at $6.9 billion.)

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/zuckerberg-and-icahn-join-buffett-and-gates-giving-pledge/


Awwwww........
What a wonderful way to perpetuate class division, rather than solve it
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:19 PM
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42. Yeah, all those 500 million wealthy elite people on Facebook.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:36 PM
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69. We shouldn't care what some private publication thinks. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 08:59 PM
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18. So, start your own magazine and you can put the photo of anyone
you want on the cover. It's that simple. They made it clear that the reader's vote was just one factor and that the final decision would be made by the magazine. Do you subscribe to Time?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:12 PM
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26. No, I don't subscribe to TIME and don't think I ever will (I did, years ago)
The "option" to start my own magazine and choose my own cover is like the "option" to start my own nuclear power plant if I don't like security protocols at my local nuke facility. Not really an option at all. I for one do think it's OK to critique the actions of those with power, whether governmental power or a "journalistic" platform like TIME Magazine. But, as I myself say in the OP, it's also OK in my book to ignore TIME as irrelevant and out of touch. In this case I treat them as way out of touch but I do deign to reply because I think the contrasting policy choices available, and which they chose from, reveal an egregious opinion that deserves to be critiqued and ridiculed.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:04 PM
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21. This happens every year. Time's POTY is nothing but a cheap stunt,
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 09:18 PM by Occam Bandage
designed to be controversial—but not too controversial. I'm honestly surprised anyone here thinks it's designed to do anything but get people to buy it.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:06 PM
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22. The selection of Zuckerberg is apt for the MSM
Let's face it - it's not even close.
Zuckerberg, arguably, represents yesterday, while Assange represents tomorrow.
To clarify, I'm one of the admittedly few people who think FB is past prime. Ever go on?
Believe me, you're not missing anything other than today's harvest down on Farmville. If you want
t post pictures there's plenty of other options. The MSM lives in this world, an idealized place where the facts are not important, only the sound bites. Just tonight I had the misfortune of hearing NBC spin the session-long Republican logjam as the Dems being over- demanding - with Christmas around the corner. How many of us are working on or through Christmas. How many don't care?
Assange is the future. Assange is the right man at the right time for media. The MSM can't recognize this - it's completely counter to their interests. I endorse Assange only on the presumption of innocence regarding his current criminal charges, but his cultural significance cannot be denied.
If the Stupid Majority are on the right of the current cultural continuum, along with Zuckerberg. Then the left has Assange along with the disenfranchised once-enlightened Minority. We're the ones who objected to the tax bill, expected a Public Option, can't understand why we're still debating DADT, and really can't understand why we're still in Afghanistan.
Now hold on before you flame, I'm speaking metaphorically - I really don't care of you maintain a FB page, and I'm not suggesting you are stupid if you do. It's just a matter of what innovation is more important to civilization....Ok, you're really left-centrists!



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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:10 PM
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25. The unemployed American would have been a good choice
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:19 PM
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27. Absolutely. -eom-
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:42 PM
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29. That's OK - the movie that will inevitably be made about Assange
will be WAY better than "the social network" - so it will all balance out.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:27 PM
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31. not necessarily complementary and never has been
Both Bush Jr. and Hitler were named Time's Person of the Year (though in Hitler's day it was Man of the Year - women, apparently, weren't worthy of any notice).

Other horrible people selected in past years include: Joseph Stalin in 1939 and again in 1942, and the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979. Actually, about half of the selections have been crappy people like Reagan, Nixon, Kissinger, Ken Starr, Rudy Giuliani, Ben Bernanke, Putin, Newt Gingrich... and on and on.

It's also never been and still isn't a reader's choice award. Actually, it's not even an award but a tradition of who or what to profile for the last issue of the year.

The criteria for selection has always been and still is "for better or for worse...has done the most to influence the events of the year."

That's the whole YEAR, mind you.

The selection also isn't limited to a person... it can be an individual, couple, group, idea, place or machine. So, it doesn't even need to be a person at all. In the past, classes of people, the computer and even planet earth were selected.

Take a look at some of the other selections in past years:

Hungarian Freedom Fighters in 1956
U.S. Scientists in 1960
Twenty-Five and Under in 1966
The Middle Americans in 1969
American Women in 1975
The Computer in 1982
The Endangered Earth in 1988
The American Soldier in 2003
You in 2006

Considering that Assange is just the flavor of the month, and most people only a month or two months ago wouldn't have had any clue who he was I'm not getting your complaint. But I'm particularly not getting what the issue is here seeing it has NEVER been exclusively a complementary selection nor has the choice ever been that of the people, nor has the choice necessarily needed to be a person at all. Considering the criteria of selection, Assange hasn't influenced events over the course of the year. Frankly, I don't see him as influencing events at all other than the past couple of weeks, and those mostly concerning his own self.


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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:38 AM
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32. True, and all incorporated into the take of the OP, I think. nt
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:09 PM
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58. how so?
The whole take of the OP is that readers should have been able to decide who or what was selected by their votes though the selection has never been done that way, and you're annoyed that he wasn't selected. And the reason you're annoyed is because you think he deserves it because of how great you think he is when the selection has NEVER been just for those people or ideas or things that are good, which is why the selection is NOT necessarily complementary and shouldn't be looked at as though it is.

So WHY the annoyance and WHY do you think Assange is deserving of being selected just because of a readers' choice poll, and WHY the assumption that who or whatever is selected is complementary?

Your take in your OP was obvious, big bold fonts and all.


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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:04 AM
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33. TIME is a business whose objective is selling magazines.
Facebook is the new chew toy of the masses. Most of the masses don't read news magazines. TIME is reaching for the PEOPLE market.

TIME doesn't give a damn about the news. TIME cares only about selling its magazine.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:05 AM
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35. Then why would they go to such lengths to alienate their readers/buyers?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:15 AM
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37. Because it's a good story.
I agree that if they did it based upon some merit system, they'd never choose the Facebook Douche Nozzle.

A number of years ago, Rand McNally picked Pittsburgh as the best city in America. They did it because it gave them tons of free media, more than they'd ever gotten with one of their press releases. This is no different.

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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 01:46 PM
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97. Not sure this is going to get that much play for TIME, based on the assumed TIME plan for doing so.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:43 AM
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39. New?
I'm pretty sure Facebook didn't just start this year. Why wasn't Zuckerberg POTY in 2008?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 11:33 AM
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40. It didn't start this year. It blew up this year.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 11:37 AM by TexasObserver
It's gone from 100 million users in 2008 to 500 milliion users in 2010.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:09 PM
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59. Actually, and it is pretty well know,
Time was, and is the propaganda arm for the MIC and CIA. Read up on your history of Henry Luce, pretty eye opening stuff. Don't forget to learn about his wife as well, Claire Boothe Luce.

Time's objectives didn't, and probably still don't, center around just selling magazines.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:14 AM
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34. Recep Tayyip Erdogan came in second? IT'S AN OUTRAGE.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:33 AM
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38. TIME helped lie America into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars.
Lying in print is what TIME does. It's all TIME does. It's why TIME exists.

Certainly, they can't lie directly. So they dilute the formula with content that runs about 88-percent pabulum and other inert ingredients called sideshow.

Here's what TIME's publisher did regarding the assassination of President Kennedy.

Lies are the realm of modern politicians, crooks, murderers, warmongers and traitors -- not journalists.
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:04 PM
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72. z
Luce's media empire was used against John F. Kennedy. When Kennedy was assassinated, Luce's Life Magazine purchased the Zapruder Film. Soon after the assassination they also successfully negotiated with Marina Oswald the exclusive rights to her story. This story never appeared in print. Luce published individual frames of Zapruder's film but did not allow the film to be screened in its entirety.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:23 PM
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87. Luce printed the Zapruder film frames BACKWARDS in order to create a false impression.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:14 PM
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41. Exactly.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 12:14 PM by lumberjack_jeff
Violate our privacy and you get person of the year. Violate the secrecy of those who work for us, go to jail.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:27 PM
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43. Kicked and recommended, I couldn't agree more.
Thanks for the thread, Land Shark.:thumbsup:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:45 PM
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44. If they had gone by Internet voting Mustafa Atatürk would have been Person of the Century instead of
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 12:45 PM by Freddie Stubbs
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:21 PM
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45. Because we have become victims of our own technology.
The popularity and widespread use of the Internet, pretty much renders public opinion polls useless.

Media outlets like Time will include peoples choice polls simply because they know people like to vote on these things... even if the results are meaningless.

In scenarios/polls like Time's... it comes down to whom can rally the troops better; negating any actual measure of unbiased/honest public opinion.

How many times here (and elsewhere), have you read posts inviting/requesting like minded members to skew an online poll?

Strange how Lady GaGa came in 3rd (I'm puzzled why she would even be one of the nominees), unless the poll was tipped by her fans.

Another consequence of allowing readers/voters opinions to outweigh the editors choices, is the behavior by some to troll the poll (sometimes by nefarious means such as running a script).

The miscreants at 4chan did just that last year when they elevated "Moot" (4chan founder), to the top of the list for "most influential' (or something similar).

About 10-12 years ago People Magazine had it's annual "Most beautiful Person of The Year" contest.

That was thrown a loop when an online effort put "Hank, The Angry Drunken Dwarf" as the honoree (ousting PM's choice of Lenardo DeCaprio :eyes:).

The editors found themselves in a embarrassing bind and ended up 'compromising" by awarding Hank honorable mention

So yeah... there's a legit reason why online polls are given little attention or creditability.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:23 PM
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46. Why does a generally anti-media site like DU even care abt who Time chose for POY?
:shrug:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:10 PM
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61. Because it's revealing. At least that's what I thought. Many here are smart enuf to already know...
but, sometimes a confirmation of what one already knew can be interesting, or add nuance, as well. Even more to the point though, I didn't realize exactly to what EXTENT time would be willing to expose itself, so this was, in that sense, a surprise to me.

BTW is there some harm in talking/writing about it?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:26 PM
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47. It's Simple: Zuckerberg Collects Info On Us and Turns It Over to Our Corporate Masters
Assange is the anti-Zuckerberg in this case.

Who do you think Time serves, anyway?
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:39 PM
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48. It doesnt mean anything. Time has never chosen based on their reader poll. n/t
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:40 PM
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49. It's just a list to get people to buy their magazine.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:44 PM
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50. You forgot one distinction
in an otherwise very good post.

Their memes are different.

Zuckerberg fits right into the "right" meme: nice jewish American kid from the right suburban family who went to Harvard, "hacked" as a prank and then primed that into profit and made internet billions. Young, nerdy, "successful," rich, "fun" and useful for the powers that be.

Assange's meme is the opposite: dropout, bad guy, "weird" broken family, shadowy figure, foreign, hacks "against America" and didn't make billions selling the information, wrote long philosophical essays that require thought.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:20 PM
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93. I think generational bias may have a role, too.
Assange is a Gen-Xer and most of the decision-makers at Time are likely Boomers, and Boomers like bashing Gen-Xers and Assange represents everything about Xers that Boomers hate.

Zuckerberg, on the other hand, is of Millennial Generation and fits into the image of my generation that elite Boomers have manufactured for us: technologically savvy, but also obedient followers of the corporate order.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:45 PM
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94. I loathe gen politics
and that sometimes blinds me to its influence. You may be right and I especially like your last sentence. Elite Boomers have no right to manufacture anything about anyone.
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:47 AM
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96. Bingo
Time and facebook are both useless to me, but this 'person of the year' shows what a useless piece of corporate media propaganda time is.
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sirthomas66 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:46 PM
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51. I cancelled my subscription two days ago.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:23 PM
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53. Time, the new Fox. nt
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:45 PM
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56. Nothing new about it, they have been right-leaning for a long time.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:36 PM
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76. True.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:43 PM
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78. Time was the FUX forerunner in oh so many ways.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:37 PM
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54. All this is very interesting...
... but I think TIME chose who they chose because TIME has financial interests in Facebook somehow. And TIME might as well be one of those "women's" mags or "men's fitness" mags that are nothing but a collection of self-promoting advertisements. TIME: the "House Beautiful" of news.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:40 PM
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55. Hear Hear! or is it Here here!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:02 PM
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57. "Cop-out Of the Year" should be the title of this issue.
Or even, "corp-out" of the year, because once again the corporate media rules what gets believed in this country.

PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING MATTER IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE.

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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:10 PM
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60. Good. It will make more of an impact if they do it next year.
Think about it....wikileaks and it's impact is going to bigger next year, I suspect.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:13 PM
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62. Irony at its best....
How ironic that Time magazine chooses a communication service that offers little protection for people's secrets.... Verses a man who has revealed information that has purposely been kept from it's citizens.


" An MIT experiment dubbed, "Gaydar" by creators Carter Jernigan and Behram Mistree has employed computational analysis to identify user traits based on information listed by their Facebook friends. Through friend profiles, the program predicts the likelihood of your religious affiliations, political leanings and even your sexual orientation. Essentially the idea is that friends are likely to share traits. So if you're in the closet, but you've got loads of vocal friends, a program of this nature could potentially out you.

Said Hal Abelson, a professor who co-taught the course, " pulls the rug out from a whole policy and technology perspective that the point is to give you control over your information - because you don't have control over your information."

With the service being used to catch tax evaders, in addition to a conspiracy theory citing CIA ties, it'll be interesting to see how the public reacts to this latest show of Facebook data mining capabilities. While it's unlikely that terrorist suspects are friending each other on Facebook, there are a number of associations that need not be publicized to corporate partners or governments."http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_data_mining_truth_in_association.p
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:17 PM
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64. Why all the drama over this?
Seriously. Why does anyone even care who Time magazine chooses?

The Person of the Year is not necessarily someone Time thinks deserves accolades. They even chose Hitler once. So any conspiracy theories floated about their failure to choose Assange is just hand-wringing nonsense.

Move on, there's nothing to see.

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:46 PM
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85. So if there is nothing to see...
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 06:47 PM by liberation
... why bothering to tell people to look the other way?

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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:18 PM
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65. Lady Gaga was 3rd?!! WTF?
That says a lot about us!!
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:30 PM
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68. I know! Gaga was so 2009. It should have been Ke$ha!
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:26 PM
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74. Who the hell is Ke$ha?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 05:02 PM
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79. It strikes me as saying a lot about the poverty of candidates among the elites
Aside from Assange and maybe a couple others, nobody would appear to deserve the award on a positive basis, and even on a notoriety basis, the net effect of the MSM is to disperse blame so there's no clear villain (I'm speaking here on a MSM perception basis, not on a truth basis) in a diffused, confused media environment.
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:21 PM
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66. I think the selection is lame.
The unemployed American worker should have been picked.

To me, Facebook is just some lame social networking site where narcissists and their groupies gather. The whole thing reminds me of high school & cliques.

In his defense, conspiracy theorists should remove the til foil hats, Zuckerberg is not the anti-christ who is vying to become a global dictator. He's not going to tattoo a facebook logo on everyone (mark of the beast).
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:46 PM
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70. Wow -- that rag is still around? Who knew? Who cares?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:26 PM
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73. Time is the new People. nt
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:35 PM
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75. I doubt Zuckerberg would've been considered had "The Social Network" not propelled awareness of his
existence into the popular consciousness--so the cover picture should in fact be Jesse Eisenberg!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 01:42 PM
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98. That movie didn't really do all THAT well... nt
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:38 PM
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77. Hahhh... Apparently Face Book is down  right now.
Dunno for sure.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 05:14 PM
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80. Well, that's the "Liberal" media for ya! n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 05:56 PM
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81. very powerful comparison!!
thank you for this. this will be conversation fodder for the holidays...i can't wait!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:44 PM
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84. Time magazine is just as rightwing as Facebook.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 06:45 PM by Major Hogwash
I'm surprised that anyone pays any attention to either one.
Facebook was originally for kids and was overtaken by a mob of narcissistic lonely 40-somethings who had no lives before Facebook was created.

Time magazine has been irreleveant for at least 20 years after they touted George Bush as the "big winner" of the Persian Gulf War.
Like the Iraqis had a chance at all in 1991.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:47 PM
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86. happy holiday
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 06:56 PM by kpete
to you and yours,
and thank you for the belated b-day wishes
kp
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The Hitman Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:29 PM
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88. I won in 2006.
Despite not being on the ballot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_(Time_Person_of_the_Year)

Take that, Hitler!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:44 PM
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89. If the poll was legit, and everyone who voted for Assange cancels their subscriptions,
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 07:48 PM by SoCalDem
Time will feel the pain...BUT if the poll was just another "Dancing With the Stars" poll, and was "nudged"...or if people who voted don;t even BUY Time mag..well it's a wash.

If they really want to go by their subscribers' wishes, they should just have a tear out postage-paid ballot in every magazine sold.

We all know how unreliable online voting is..

Depending on how the whole wikileaks thing ends up, Assange could be on next year's cover:)
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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:45 PM
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90. Zuckerberg would've made a better person of the year back in 2007 or earlier.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:55 PM
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91. Back in the 30's Hitler made the cover...
at least 3x, and once as Man of The Year...can't say he didn't make an impact on history.

Reagan was on the cover numerous times, as was FDR and just about everyone of consequence over the years.

Then again, I read Time on line and am selective in what I read, some things just don't interest me in the least.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:03 PM
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92. You really want to go by a poll?
When that poll has the Prime Minister of Turkey coming in a close second? And Lady Gaga third. And Jon Steward and John Colber - apparently the people responding to the poll could not even spell it -- coming in fourth. Yeah those are intelligent people.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:00 AM
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95. Problems with polls = problems with democracy
Now granted internet polls can be stuffed, or hacked, I talk about that issue as much as anyone. But it is far more difficult to not just add votes but to manipulate the average rating of ALL voters to a high number. The winner of POY can be a notoriety award. But yeah, absent reasons to believe the poll has been manipulated, I do want to go with polls they are a form of democracy. There can also be a kind of poll (focus group, e.g.) where people are given more information and then asked to decide again. A jury, roughly speaking, is such a "poll."

SO yeah, process is very important, but I don't think the TIME readers poll was so far off that Assange didn't enormously outnumber Zuckerberg. Starting with an almost 21 times advantage, maybe it was 18 times or 23 times...

The alternative to "going with polls" is going with dictatorship of some sort. Who really wants to go by a dictatorship? ONly people who are fooled into accepting the "expertise" of someone else like a small cabal of TIME editors.

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