Mr Fish toon: Sold Out

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[midnight]

1. K&R

[xchrom]

2. recommend

[Hell Hath No Fury]

3. Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow...

But true. :(

Our problem, in a nutshell....

[slay]

16. Yep

and what a HUGE problem it is too. :(

[Donnachaidh]

4. he should be wearing a goldman sachs bridle

How many GS members work in the WH now?

[Vinnie From Indy]

38. +1000

yeppers!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

88. Only a 1000?

It's not as bad as I thought.

[Nothing Without Hope]

68. Oh yeah, that was a major oversight by the artist! n/t

[Enthusiast]

82. Absolutely...........nt

[Oceansaway]

5. K&R..n/t

[tridim]

6. So... Vote Republican?

You're getting lazy Mr. Fish.

[ljm2002]

8. If I find fault with a family member...

...it does not follow that I am disowning them.

Yours is a typical straw man argument, meant to deflect attention from the statement that is actually being made. One might even say you're getting lazy, considering the frequency with which you employ the method.

[tridim]

11. Why do you think Mr. Fish gave the GOP a free pass?

GOP corporate influence is orders of magnitude greater than the Dems.

Fail. Lazy-ass fail. Shame on you Mr. Fish.

[progressoid]

17. Yeah, Mr Fish always gives the GOP a free pass.

http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/tshirt/raising_the_bar/

http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/tshirt/20070319_alberto_gonzales_conscience/

http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/tshirt/20061109_mr_fish_rumsfeld_vagabond/

etc etc etc etc etc

Sweet jebus. :eyes:

[tridim]

21. He did with this toon.

Which is why I'm attacking it as lazy.

[frylock]

35. this toon isn't about bush..

try and keep up. you're embarrassing yourself.

[Aerows]

18. Yes, here we are

Criticizing Democrats RIGHTFULLY for selling out party values AUTOMATICALLY means you are giving the GOP a free pass.

Especially when we all know they sold out their party decades ago. Okay.

To tell you the truth, I'd vote for Eisenhower in a heartbeat, especially since at this point in our history, he'd be considered a far leftist Democrat.

[tridim]

22. So, all of our party values are gone?

Is that you or Mr. Fish saying that?

If true, why are you a Democrat? Are you?

[Aerows]

25. I'm a Democrat

and have been for decades. You are the one that has lost sight of what it means, if you cheer corporations instead of denouncing the party falling prey to their fiscal hypnotism.

[tridim]

27. When did I "cheer corporations"?

Please stop making things up about me.

[rpannier]

72. Maybe he will when you stop maing things up about Mr Fish

[iamthebandfanman]

79. pissst

youre feeding a troll ..

theres nothing being discussed, nor will you change his mind... just trying to get a rise out of you, make ya defensive.

the apologists have no other tactics :P

you dont have to prove yourself Aerows, youre not the elected democratic president.

[Enthusiast]

83. PLUS ONE!.......nt

[INdemo]

95. hell Nixon was a leftist by todays standards

[SwampG8r]

77. they wouldnt see it as an insult is why

[radhika]

85. Corporations killed the donkey but are the life blood of Repugs n/t

[bvar22]

13. Almost every post that begins with "So..." is a Strawman Logical Fallacy.

The post you are referring to only confirms this.

[Ignis]

51. This is a good analogy.

:thumbsup:

We love our party, too, warts 'n all--but we see no need to pretend the warts don't exist.

[Chimichurri]

101. No it isn't. The Dems should be resisting the Repubs and instead, they are just as

culpable.

Silence is permission and I'm tired of giving them a pass they no longer deserve.

[frylock]

9. you trot out the same tired bullshit and call mr. fish lazy?!

[Aerows]

19. I know

It's just unreal how far the apologists will go to gin up support for dragging the Democratic party as far into the corporatist corner as possible.

[LondonReign2]

26. Good Lord

Yes, if one, say, disapproves of their child stealing from a store, that obviously means they support their neighbor's kid that is a murderer.

:sarcasm:

[Shandris]

33. False Dilemma.

Classic example.

[rhett o rick]

52. Ridiculous to think that Mr. Fish should attack the Repubs in every toon. Get real. nm.

[RetroLounge]

55. And you're continuing to be stupid...

:puke:

RL

[DeSwiss]

58. That's the best you got? - Pitiful. Just pitiful. :-/ - EOM

[liberation]

63. Oh, the irony that projection brings forth...

LMAO

[Fuddnik]

66. Truth hurts.

[pam4water]

75. That old saw is getting tied. Give it a rest.

[Selatius]

90. You act like party primaries don't exist. What, are we not supposed to do even that? nt

[_ed_]

96. Are you familiar with the fallacious argument called a "False Choice"

You might want to take a look at it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. They willingly bought in and call it "practical politics".

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Hell of a toon

[tridim]

12. As far as shitty toons go at least.

[Aerows]

20. You keep calling Democrats that have been here

and people that they have followed for a long time "shitty". I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[tridim]

23. No, I called to toon shitty, which it certainly is.

I also called Mr. Fish lazy, which he was this week.

[Aerows]

24. You keep using that word...

[tridim]

29. It's a good word for the situation at hand.

There are lots of synonyms I could use.

[Dawgs]

86. LOL!

I don't think they gets it.

[LondonReign2]

28. Why is the toon shitty?

Because it doesn't ALSO place corporate logos on an elephant? Or because you don't think the Democratic Party has become beholden to corporations?

[tridim]

31. Because the Republican party is COMPLETELY owned by corporations

The Democratic party is not.

The toon makes no sense in context of the actual corporate owned party. Mr. Fish knows that, but he chose to be lazy and drew a toon demonstrating that laziness.

[LondonReign2]

32. "The Democratic party is not."

Really? We're going to have to disagree on that one.

[tridim]

36. Okay, there's a "CNN" logo on the Donkey.

How does CNN own the Democratic Party?

Go.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Does the term analogy means anything to you?

CNN stands for a monopolized media... this should be really basic... the toon IS ON DAMN POINT.

[tridim]

45. The media owns the Republican party.

It's 180 degress out of whack.

AKA wrong, AKA lazy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. While we occupy the same physical space

we live in two different countries I think... and I will say something you will not like, but increasingly discussing these things with Third Way Democrats is like trying to have a discussion with my republican neighbors.

The toon was on pont, the DNC is quite owned by WS... and it is killing us.

Hell, this was the GOAL of the DLC... and they have succeeded.

[tridim]

48. I'm a Democrat, not a third way Democrat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. And you cannot see how the Third way has taken over

and given way to the ideals of a different party. Parties change... the Democratic party has changed... why I am now an Independent... I am betting though I am quite to the "left" of you though... and yes I would vote for IKE these days if he were on the ballot... sadly he is closer to what I think should be a national vision than the current crop at the DNC. THen again Reagan would not make it in the modern day REPUBLICAN party, but that is why, and I keep telling you this and you have a heck of a time grasping this... the political establishment has moved that far to the RIGHT.

THe DNC is a modern day center right party and the RNC is so far right they are falling off the table.

Toon is on point.

[LondonReign2]

43. To what degree, if any, do you think the Democratic party is beholden to corps?

You've stated the Republicans are COMPLETELY owned -- I would only quibble with that in saying them are also owned by religious fanactics.

But do you think Democrats are not at all owned by Corporations? Or a little bit owned? Or mostly owned but not COMPLETELY?

I can't say why the cartoonist chose CNN (or any other particular company specifically), but I agree with the premise that our party has become more and more beholden to Corporations and it is killing us.

[tridim]

47. Corporations donate to both parties.

But the donations are nowhere near equal. The Republicans do their bidding without question. The Democrats do things like push for an end to corporate tax loopholes for oil companies, while the Republicans block it. See that Exxon patch on the Mr. Fish's donkey? Why is it there? It's lazy bullshit.

[Maven]

71. You're right. It should have been a BP logo.

With COREXIT right next to it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. The dems are free of all corporate influence and third way thinking

okie dokie... I don't live in your same reality by the way

[tridim]

37. Of course I said nothing remotely close to that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. You said that since it was less it was ok

thirty years on of reaganomics and 20 years of third way have been all but healthy for the political system or the two parties.

As somebody pointed out to you... Ike is a liberal under the current system... he is borderline commie. Chew on that.

[tridim]

49. No, I didn't.

[Quantess]

59. Okay, finally you manage to make your point.

It sure took long enough! You could have spared us all of those argument-fails if you had just started with this one. And for that matter, you could have left out "laziness" as well, to get to the point. You would really benefit from an argument / debate class.

[Muskypundit]

60. Both parties are completely owned by corporations

But it would be beating a dead horse to show a picture of an elephant with a bunch of logos on it; because that much is the obvious truth and has been for the past few decades.

That comic was made for people like you, so you could see the light and help tear some logos off the party. But yes, the corporate selling out is different with the parties. With repugs its blatant and obvious; any literate person can see that. Our selling out is different, and in my opinion, a helluva lot worse. Because its deceptive, its not obvious at first, and it can fool people. You have been fooled like many others, into the sense our party is perfect. Its far from. Work with us to fix it, rather than pretending.

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97. Who was Obama's #1 campaign contributor?

Take a look -- it's not individuals...

[rhett o rick]

53. Trying to stir up shit again?? nm

[iamthebandfanman]

80. If it bothers you, then the toon has succeeded.

if you noticed, maybe someone else did. someone that matters, i mean.

[hfojvt]

14. it isn't even the corporations though

it's also the upper middle class working people. The payroll tax cut, for example, shakes out like this

top 10% - 26.7%
next 10% - 19.7%
next 20% - 26.3%
next 20% - 15%
next 20% - 8.3%
next 20% - 3.8%

The Obama "jobs" proposal does more for the top 10% than it does for the bottom 40%. Those in the top 20% get almost twice as much as the bottom 60%.

It's the bottom 60% that the Democratic party is supposed to be fighting for, but they've apparently sold out to the top 20% (where more of the donors live).

[obxhead]

15. k/r

[lindysalsagal]

30. Mine's better

[sfpcjock]

41. I'm not sure why we like this, if true.

Take Citizens United--this raised the price of elections by dumping unlimited corporate and foreign money into our elections. Now most money will come from outside districts thanks to Dubya's "Elite-o" and "Peppermint Patty" Roberts, Scalia and Thomas. All Republican appointments. That's called "judicial review.

When the price of elections is raised, Democrats have to follow or they will not exist any more. So why the dead donkey?

[Beacool]

42. Sad reality.

This toon too.



:-(

[TBF]

44. Recommend. nt

[blkmusclmachine]

54. Sold out lock, stock, & barrel. Back to at least Clinton, possibly before:

Some of them are outright Xtian Dominionists, "just doing the Lord's work." Dominionists want to undo Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and Unions. Dominionists also want to undo Public Eduaction (Race to "THE TOP"). It all sounds eerily familiar..

Tell me again about 9/11.

[Major Hogwash]

62. Bubba was the only 3rd way President the Democrats ever got elected.

That's why Bubba didn't like Carter, he didn't even invite him to the DNC in 1992.
Did you know that?

[DeSwiss]

56. Damn. Nuff said. :-/ - K&R n/t

[RetroLounge]

57. K&R

True sadness

RL

[sabrina 1]

61. Poor donkey!

:cry:

[bertman]

64. The BP logo must be on his ass. The ass's ass, I mean. REC. nt

[lonestarnot]

65. Is he dead yet?

[kenny blankenship]

67. And that's the end of the donkey you can show on TV or the interwebz!

Consider what the other end must look like.

[Roci]

69. Looks like an ad for NASCAR :)

:)

[glinda]

70. Ah man! That is such a depressingly sad pic.

[Lugnut]

73. K&R! n/t

[Moostache]

74. K&R .... thanks for the new wallpaper on the PC as well! (n/t)

[mfcorey1]

76. Piece of crap! More brainwashing on a democratic site.

[_ed_]

98. Yeah!

Dems don't take any corporate money, right?

Can you remind me again who was Obama's #1 campaign contributor?

[Chalfont]

78. Ho Hum.

Mr Fish's humor is around the 8th grade level. I have no idea why Harper's allows him in their pages.

[Enthusiast]

81. Kicked and recommended!

Exactly.

[democrank]

84. This just about tells the story of the New Democrats.

[AlbertCat]

87. Esso???????

[disillusioned73]

89. K&R..

for brutal honesty..

When you can count on two hands the Dems( and Indy) that openly, loudly and unapologetically advocate for traditional Democratic principles... you've got a serious problem... or should I have said one hand??

[Lucky 13]

91. K&R

ain't it the sad truth

[Safetykitten]

92. Mr. Fish is awesome. So is Ted Rall....by the way.

[LWolf]

93. Ouch.

That hurts. :(

[McCamy Taylor]

94. Two words....Citizens United

The SCOTUS is a disgrace.

[City Lights]

99. That'll leave a mark. eom

[abelenkpe]

100. This toon is on target

The only thing that would make it more accurate would be to include an elephant with the same logo's and the supreme court with the same logos.

But it does illustrate exactly what is wrong with our country.