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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:57 AM
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Timeline Of A Right-Wing Media Smear
Hoffa's Call To Vote Became "A Call For Violence"

Good compilation by Media Matters: http://mediamatters.org/research/201109060015

This is the real issue here, IMHO, not whether Hoffa should have said "kick" instead of "take". Fox once again distorts the facts and gets away with it, doctoring Hoffa's statement Breitbart style, and the RW runs with it. Much of the MSM seemed to run the exact same cut.

Manufacture of outrage accomplished.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:13 AM
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1. Hoffa was Breitbarted. No question about it.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 04:03 PM
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54. That, btw, reminds me of a certain N.Y. Congressman (who shall remain nameless for the time being.)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:17 AM
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:20 AM
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3. What was this?
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:22 AM
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4. Sausage or pepperoni? nt
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:27 AM
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8. I think he needs some pineapple on his.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:25 AM
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5. Progressives tend not to go shooting up the place to make a statement.

nt


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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:26 AM
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6. and your little sarah called for people to get their guns out
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 06:28 AM by notadmblnd
and who is that right wing nutter in Arizona who was advocating violence. Don't come here and complain until you confront your own.
Besides Hoffa did not advocate violence. If you'ld turn on any station besides FAUX you might have heard him preface his remark with how he want's to kick ass by voting.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:27 AM
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7. my 13 yr old picking up sandwiches watching fox while waiting clearly saw it was NOT a call
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 06:27 AM by seabeyond
for violence. i would think if a 13 yr old could, you and fox could. he came back to the car to tell me what fox was doing... again. he knew nothing about it. didnt know the whole quote. and still he knew fox was manipulating what hoffa was saying

if a 13 yr old could figure it out, i would think a grown man/woman could
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:38 AM
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:28 AM
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9. IBTP Somebody call for pizza?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:32 AM
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10. Rhetorical violence from the left must be admonished with hyperbolic outrage.
Actual violence from the right must be encouraged, but downplayed & portrayed as "reasonable".

That brown shirt fits you rather well.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:46 AM
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13. Wait! Don't go yet!
I need you to list a few cases of actual political violence on the left in recent times. To help set the tone, I'll list a few examples of violence on the right:

July 27, 2008 — Jim Adkisson shoots and kills two people at a progressive church in Knoxville, Tennessee, also wounding two. Adkisson calls it “a symbolic killing” because he really “wanted to kill…every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book,” but was unable to gain access to them.
Adkisson had a bookshelf full of the works of Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, etc. He carried enough ammunition to gun down half the congregation, along with the children who were performing a pageant onstage in the church. He likely would have done just that, were it not for the courage of one churchgoer who rushed to block a shotgun blast with his own body while others overwhelmed and disarmed the gunman.

April 4, 2009 — Neo-Nazi Richard Poplawski shoots and kills three police officers responding to a 911 call to his home in Pittsburgh. His friend Edward Perkovic tells reporters that Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on its way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon.” Perkovic also commented that Poplawski carried out the shooting because “if anyone tried to take his firearms, he was gonna’ stand by what his forefathers told him to do.”

June 10, 2009 — James W. von Brunn, a convicted felon and a “hardcore Neo-Nazi,” walks into the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. and shoots and kills a security guard. Von Brunn believed that Western civilization was going to be replaced with a “ONE WORLD ILLUMINATI GOVERNMENT” that would “confiscate private weapons” in order to accomplish its goals.

March 23, 2010 — After Mike Troxel of the Lynchburg Tea Party and Nigel Coleman of the Danville Tea Party post the home address of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA) and urge supporters to "drop by," someone deliberately cuts a propane gas line at the house. Rep. Perriello is targeted by the Tea Party activists because of his vote in favor of health care reform. Perriello's brother and his wife have four children under the age of eight.

July 18, 2010 — California Highway Patrol officers arrest Byron Williams, 45, after a shootout on I-580 in which more than 60 rounds are fired. Officers had pulled Williams over in his pick-up for speeding and weaving in and out of traffic when he opened fire on them with a handgun and a long gun. Williams, a convicted felon, is shot several times, but survives because he is wearing body armor. Williams, a convicted felon, reveals that he was on his way to San Francisco to "start a revolution" by killing employees of the ACLU and Tides Foundation. Williams' mother says her son was angry at "Left-wing politicians" and upset by "the way Congress was railroading through all these Left-wing agenda items."
The incident occurred after Glenn Beck had made the Tides Foundation a target of his on-air wrath for the better part of a week.


Okay, your turn!

Oh, and by the way? If you can find no recent examples of violence on the left, and instead have to reach back thirty or forty years to the days when murderous left-wing militants were all too common, then you're just making my point for me: that in modern times, the violence is all on the right, and it is time for the right to clean house.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:47 AM
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14. Wait! Don't go yet!
I need you to list a few cases of actual political violence on the left in recent times. To help set the tone, I'll list a few examples of violence on the right:

July 27, 2008 — Jim Adkisson shoots and kills two people at a progressive church in Knoxville, Tennessee, also wounding two. Adkisson calls it “a symbolic killing” because he really “wanted to kill…every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book,” but was unable to gain access to them.
Adkisson had a bookshelf full of the works of Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, etc. He carried enough ammunition to gun down half the congregation, along with the children who were performing a pageant onstage in the church. He likely would have done just that, were it not for the courage of one churchgoer who rushed to block a shotgun blast with his own body while others overwhelmed and disarmed the gunman.

April 4, 2009 — Neo-Nazi Richard Poplawski shoots and kills three police officers responding to a 911 call to his home in Pittsburgh. His friend Edward Perkovic tells reporters that Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on its way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon.” Perkovic also commented that Poplawski carried out the shooting because “if anyone tried to take his firearms, he was gonna’ stand by what his forefathers told him to do.”

June 10, 2009 — James W. von Brunn, a convicted felon and a “hardcore Neo-Nazi,” walks into the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. and shoots and kills a security guard. Von Brunn believed that Western civilization was going to be replaced with a “ONE WORLD ILLUMINATI GOVERNMENT” that would “confiscate private weapons” in order to accomplish its goals.

March 23, 2010 — After Mike Troxel of the Lynchburg Tea Party and Nigel Coleman of the Danville Tea Party post the home address of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA) and urge supporters to "drop by," someone deliberately cuts a propane gas line at the house. Rep. Perriello is targeted by the Tea Party activists because of his vote in favor of health care reform. Perriello's brother and his wife have four children under the age of eight.

July 18, 2010 — California Highway Patrol officers arrest Byron Williams, 45, after a shootout on I-580 in which more than 60 rounds are fired. Officers had pulled Williams over in his pick-up for speeding and weaving in and out of traffic when he opened fire on them with a handgun and a long gun. Williams, a convicted felon, is shot several times, but survives because he is wearing body armor. Williams, a convicted felon, reveals that he was on his way to San Francisco to "start a revolution" by killing employees of the ACLU and Tides Foundation. Williams' mother says her son was angry at "Left-wing politicians" and upset by "the way Congress was railroading through all these Left-wing agenda items."
The incident occurred after Glenn Beck had made the Tides Foundation a target of his on-air wrath for the better part of a week.


Okay, your turn!

Oh, and by the way? If you can find no recent examples of violence on the left, and instead have to reach back thirty or forty years to the days when murderous left-wing militants were all too common, then you're just making my point for me: that in modern times, the violence is all on the right, and it is time for the right to clean house.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:33 AM
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:45 AM
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22. Your mastery of prevaricative right wing talking points is impressive...
Most impressive.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:48 AM
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24. Better explain to him that "prevaricative" means "false". n/t
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:54 AM
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25. He probably has a problem figuring out what the meaning of "is" is as well. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:08 AM
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:30 AM
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37. "Isn't there another, better democrat out there
and, if so, why not support that person?"

Are you concerned? :eyes:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:43 AM
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40. Why do you even care?
Is it because Obama stands to kick any right wing nut job that'll come down the pike next november?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:44 AM
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:50 AM
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44. Yeah, I can. Which is why I've served in uniform for 22 years
And I hate the god-damned anti-American Republicans and the oligarchy that they service with every fiber of my being.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 11:09 PM
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55. Please tell us late comers who it was. nm
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:54 AM
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26. Begone, troll...nt
Sid
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:44 AM
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41. That's a pretty impressive list...
Right off the top of your head.

It appears you may have used it before. Only a right-winger would keep such stories on file:

"1990 Greyhound bus strike - union snipers fired on Greyhound buses across the country."

"It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008."

"It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley."

"It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers outside of Seattle."

"It's liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships."

Any more obscure examples no one has ever heard of ?

Very telling.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:45 AM
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:52 AM
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46. Let me ask you a question?
What is the difference between these two statements?

"Get out and vote and take out these SOB's"

and

"Take out these SOB's"

Do you see any difference in those two statements?

You have spent your entire time here attacking a comment that was taken out of context.

Is that simple enough for you?

Maybe you might turn off FOX-TV sometime or maybe switch to a different channel?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:00 AM
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48. Too bad.... here is an update on his FBI infiltrator.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:08 AM
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49. Bombs to the RNC?
McKay and Crowder, at the direction of an FBI informant named Brandon Darby, made molotov cocktails at the place where they were staying in St. Paul. Darby called the feds and the young men were arrested there at the house. One trial resulted in a hung jury; then the young men made a plea bargain so that they wouldn't be compelled to testify against each other. One has already served his 2 year sentence and the other is still serving his 4 years. Brandon Darby is now a conservative commentator.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:11 AM
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16. This ain't Sparta, buddy
Here, the trolls go down the hole
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:36 AM
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:24 AM
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17. Welcome to DU..
I hope you enjoy your stay!

:hi:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:45 AM
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23. A fartin spartan
with the noxious republiGAS coming out of your computer and into DU.

Disgustipatingly wrong.
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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:57 AM
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27. So do you agree that Fox doctored the video
to fit into their own alternative reality narrative? In order to disseminate gut feelings rather than facts, and to keep people outraged?
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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:20 AM
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34. So you're dodging the question...
tit-for-tat, both-sides-do-it etc. Rather predictable.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:57 AM
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28. and what about your darling, sarah, telling her idiots to 'reload'? get a life
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:19 AM
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33. You sound like the RW douchebag at another message board I post at.
:eyes:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:30 AM
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38. You won't last long...
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:51 AM
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45. Only 40 posts before outing yourself? Lame!
I swear, the NUMBER of trolls may be increasing, but the QUALITY is for shit.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:54 AM
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47. And it's gone!
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mercuryblues Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 06:49 AM
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15. Only in
the right wing world is voting considered a violent act. Next up the right wing will be advocating for appointing senators. Oh, wait, my bad, they are.



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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 07:37 AM
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21. Wingnuts don't want
those people to have the vote. Those who don't look, act, sound or think like they do. Those people who are unlikely to vote Republican. Off with their heads!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 08:15 AM
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32. "Don't retreat."
"Reload."

Sarah Palin

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:19 AM
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51. There's the motivation right there
Edited on Wed Sep-07-11 09:22 AM by Tsiyu

Of course, the "liberal/progressive" media didn't say a frickin; thing about Sarah's inflammatory speech until AFTER people died.

And oh what an embarrassment that was - the end of the end for dear Say-ruh.


Now FOX is drooling over any tidbit and rolling it around and around in their greasy little hands like it's "Precious."

They need this fix so they can keep saying "both sides do it."


As to media I have never, ever seen another network besides FOX hire talk hosts who air calls to violence. Ever.

Only Beck, O'Liely, and their ilk call for violence.


FOX is so evil, you couldn't make that kind of evil up in your worst nightmares. They gloat over their own evil....


Edit for spelling, and kudos to malaise for helping make my morning tea more bracing (I'm out of coffee :( )










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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 09:16 AM
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50. Man...I missed all the fun! :o(
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 10:40 AM
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52. And fun it was
Here rests - throws wreath
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Bill USA Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 03:30 PM
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53. recommended!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 11:14 PM
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56. K & R
:thumbsup:
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