MoveOn.org, other liberals grapple with idea of supporting Obama’s reelection campaign

[alp227]

Source: The Washington Post

With liberal leaders grumbling about what they see as President Obama’s failure to hold firm in the recent debt ceiling talks and other decisions, one critical player — MoveOn.org — is still deciding whether to mobilize for his campaign.

“We are all incredibly frustrated,” said Justin Ruben, MoveOn’s executive director.

That frustration, over compromises in economic and environmental policy, could turn into a deflated reelection effort by the influential left-wing group’s members, nearly one million of whom volunteered for his campaign in 2008 and gave $88 million.

“Republicans will begin with an advantage,” said Thomas Mann, a political scholar at the Brookings Institution. “Obama is going to have to work very hard and build an extensive grass-roots effort.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/moveonorg-other-liberals-grapple-with-idea-of-supporting-obamas-reelection-campaign/2011/09/16/gIQAiePQaK_story.html

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. I'm extremely disappointed and just don't have the energy to canvass again

I feel completely let down.

[demgrrrll]

34. Well hon just have a seat then, you poor thing

[Pavlo]

42. Just a little condescending isn't it?

I have been doing door to door canvases, sign ups at fairs , gatherings and malls. I hosted Obama get out the vote parties,
volunteer sign ups and and weekly canvas calls. I have a family and a full time demanding job maybe I should just sit down also.
After all I have done to bring progressive thought to the community I am tired of have a president that acts willy nilly, and melts at the sight of a republican.I am tired of of the stimulus bills going up in smoke, then find out it went to wealthy contributors, created next to no jobs,and was riddled with fraud and waste. Now I am a union member so he wants to bail us out. Guess what we don't need bailing out.
My wife, my kids, my relatives, and neighbors need jobs. The new jobs bill will not have any effect on them and I suspect millions and millions of others which are unemployed.

My efforts seem to only to have helped Obama culminate in becoming a punch line for the NY Times, the news media, world leaders, and late night comedians. When I think it can not get any worst the come out with a web site called Attaaaaaack waaaaaaaatch that could of been dreamed up in any 4th grade class. That site has become the laughing stock of the Internet. Does presidential administration have such thin skin they need to run a snitch and bitch site? What's up with that? Who or what is driving this train wreck?

[treestar]

79. Since you did all that just for yourself, it was a waste of effort

Politics is about the district, state, or country. There's no point in getting involved if the goal is just to improve things for yourself.

[Pigheaded]

91. We all lost

[demgrrrll]

103. Yeah you go ahead and sit down too. Take a load off.

Give yourself a break, you did your best.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

76. I'm just not going to expect this president to change, that's all. nt

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[treestar]

80. Letting the country go to the Republicans over that?

I say that verges on evil.

It's not about you and your overly high expectations. Politics is about all of us.

We don't let the country go to the dogs because we aren't getting all the drama we want.

[liberal N proud]

2. What's to grapple

Vote for Obama or get one of the crazies from the GOP/Teabaggers.

It's kind of a no brainer if you ask me. And no one of any substance is ever going to challenge Obama and if they did, the rift it would cause in the Democratic party would provide the same result as just not voting for Obama, one of the GOP/Teabagger crazies winning the election.

Just not something I want to see happen.

[ixion]

4. vote for him because he sucks a little bit less!

:puke: :eyes:

[elocs]

8. He may suck, but he sucks a whole lot less, not a bit less. n/t

[ixion]

16. He supports a long list of neocon Bush-era policies

so I would disagree.

[treestar]

81. He supported so many things the Republicans would not

If you insist on seeing only the negative, it's just misery for all. No way can one expect a politician not to at some point support something we don't like. We have to look at the positive end.

[ixion]

86. it's not about "just seeing the negative"

I didn't support the wildly destructive and unconstitutional Bush policies/Bush Doctrine then, and I don't support them/it now.

[treestar]

89. Fine, but when you choose which politicians to support

You have to deal with the fact that no other human being agrees with you totally.

And Obama is not exactly like Bush in his approach - you may not agree with Obama's approach, but imagine the Republicans' approach.

We just can't expect total agreement and have to deal with the fact we're going to end up supporting politicians who do some things we don't want.

[FarPoint]

33. I know for sure the GOP is a path to misery.

Obama apparently is just figuring this out....Four more years of Obama offers me hope....hope he learned the fact tha he was used....hope that he could now focus on we the people.

[ixion]

65. we're walking the same path no matter who gets (s)elected

there is only ONE party, behind the scenes.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

88. The 2000 "there's no difference between the two" meme.

How did that work out for you?

[ixion]

95. Who can say?

Since there's no way to say one way or the other, your straw man is a moot point.

I can tell you this, though: Al Gore supported the so-called 'war' on (some) drugs, which has done monstrous damage domestically.

[Pigheaded]

96. Not sure it is a party

But yes, the controllers seem to be overlording both parties.

PH

[ixion]

100. party, coalition... a group by any other name...

but, yeah, I see your point.

[Pavlo]

47. That's crazy talk. Political party and lines are skewed.

First, that the United States is now governed by a “permanent political class,” drawn from both parties, that is increasingly cut off from the concerns of regular people. Second, that these Republicans and Democrats have allied with big business to mutual advantage to create what she called “corporate crony capitalism.” Third, that the real political divide in the United States may no longer be between friends and foes of Big Government, but between friends and foes of vast, remote, unaccountable institutions (both public and private).

[Pigheaded]

98. This is correct

Big Business owns every politician.

PH

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[liberal N proud]

67. Did you forget what 8 years under bu$h was like??????????????????

[ixion]

71. how could I?

It's still the same. Obama is essentially a third Bush term, aside from some minor quasi 'accomplishments'.

[liberal N proud]

74. NOT!

http://www.truth-out.org/three-charts-email-your-right-wing-brother-law/1314626142

[ixion]

77. lol

watching political hacks defending the Bush Doctrine would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

[Pigheaded]

94. Unfortunately

This seems to be many folks thoughts.

Dammit

PH

[elocs]

7. Common sense reality does not play well here at DU.

I wonder who people here really think is going to be our next president unless it is Obama. Or are we buying the old meme from 2000 promoted by Ralph Nader that there was no difference between the parties which gave permission for many to vote for him rather than Al Gore, even in the battleground state of Florida.

[SidDithers]

32. Exactly. One of two people will be President after the 2012 election...

It will be Obama or someone a lot worse. That's the reality.

Sid

[highprincipleswork]

60. Oh yes, I'm sure he's doing just great.

President Obama and his White House cannot be doing great, despite pronouncements like yours that 72 percent of Democrats support him. Frankly, just don't believe he has strong support, because I know too many people who were completely behind him, worked for him, got others to work for him, donate to him, cheered him, etc. and now can't stand the man.

So, he's got a hard task ahead of them, and I hope they are starting the feel the lack of support they have created. It's just not there. And it's hard to be there for someone who stabs you in the back at every turn.

I just don't believe it. Humans do not act that way. And no matter how much our self-interest may lie in keeping him in as opposed to letting the other side win, this year could be much worse for him than it was for Al Gore in 2000. After all, Al Gore was only simply an incompetent campaigner. President Obama has disappointed and pissed off way too many people for it not to have an effect.

What geniuses convinced him that all that he did to win such support during campaign season had to simply be jettisoned in order to "govern"?

Frankly, I don't see the Independents buying it either, as they don't see a leader with any sense of moral conviction or governing principles worth following. I predict they go the other way, unless of course there is a miracle and this President actually adopts some of the policies he pretended to believe in in order to get support over Hillary and over John McCain.

[DesertFlower]

12. i agree. nt

[RKP5637]

17. +1, n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

29. "It's kind of a no brainer..."

???

I believe all of this REQUIRES that Americans USE their brains!

[Bjorn Against]

30. It is not just about voting...

The vast majority of MoveOn members will vote for Obama, the question is whether or not they campaign for him like they did in 2008. There are plenty of other state and local races they could invest their energies in instead, if Obama loses his volunteer base it is going to be a huge blow to his campaign but you can't blame the people who choose to work on different campaigns instead. Obama did not fight for the left so he can not expect the left to fight for him, and unfortunately for him conservadems don't tend to come out in big numbers for grassroots volunteer work. This is a huge problem for Obama and he is soon going to regret ignoring the left.

[Vincardog]

44. Obama is never going to regret ignoring the left, because he actively worked against the left to

pander to the all powerful right and those 'undecideds' that we all know decide all elections.
Since we on the left are so insignificant and irrelevant I do not see how we can be at fault when and If the BO presidency goes down in flames

[liberal N proud]

69. And what do you expect from a republican President?

Look to the 8 years of he'll we had with bu$h.

[Bjorn Against]

101. Nothing good, where did I suggest otherwise.

I am an activist, but there are lots of issues I can work on and I will choose to work for those who represent me. I am not going to use up my valuable time working on the campaign of a person who works directly against my values, he may be better than the alternative but when I have limited resources I would prefer using those resources on supporting issues I believe in.

[treestar]

82. I admire the volunteers but don't take well to the idea

that they actually control the election. Nor do I like much their threatening us with Republicans if we do not somehow get Obama to obey them. (As their own claims make it).

Sounds brownshirt to me.

[Bjorn Against]

102. So if someone doesn't volunteer for the Obama campaign they are a brownshirt?

I have heard a lot of ridiculous Nazi comparisions before, but suggesting that progressives who don't volunteer for Obama are like Nazi's may be the most absurd Nazi comparision I have ever heard. If you think telling people "either work for Obama or you are a brownshirt!" is going to help you win people to your side you are in for a rude awakening. You are doing far more to undermine Obama than I am, If people associate Obama with supporters like you who declare those who don't fall in line to be brownshirts it is going to harm Obama far more than I ever could.

[trueblue2007]

41. i sooooooooooo agree with you. GOP/TEABAGGERS would destroy the world

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[liberal N proud]

68. That too plays right int the GOP's hand

Have you not seen all the anti voting laws they are passing all over the country?

They don't want us to vote!

[Shagbark Hickory]

83. What's the difference?

[ixion]

3. economic, environmental and military

among others.

[Me.]

5. They Should Strike A Deal With The WH

And be as hard nosed as the Cons about getting what they want as apparently the WH is beginning to wake up to the reality of needing their base

[teddy51]

6. I just don't get this at all. Do they have another option if they don't want to support

President Obama, and if so why aren't they putting that forward? I'm not happy with allot of stuff Obama has done, or (more importantly) failed to do, but I sure as hell don't like the current alternative.

[tcaudilllg]

9. 2012 will be "the year that shook America".

The election will more a catalyst for what comes next, than a determinant of events.

[RKP5637]

13. Yeah, that's what I think too. Post 2012 could be frightfully horrible. n/t

[Donnachaidh]

20. so do people *really* think that the WH will suddenly change course after 2012?

Are we having any of the things we value being pushed NOW?

The *vote for the lesser of two evils* really doesn't sit well with people, BECAUSE of the rapid-fire capitulation that has happened already. Most of the things passed, if put on an actual scale, leans heavily towards tax cuts for the wealthy, with nominal photo-op piddly stuff for the middle class.

NONE of it is FAIR.

Main Street is STILL getting screwed, even with control of the WH and the Senate.

All posturing and threats aside -- this election is going to be a crapshoot. The public doesn't trust EITHER side. Both parties have done nothing to deserve their trust, either.

I don't think any poll or pundit is going to be able to call this.

[RKP5637]

26. I think it could be close for the reasons you mentioned, but "if' Perry, for example,

were in the WH, and all of the baggage that comes with that, I think it would be far worse. BTW- are there even any potential democratic primary contenders? IMO Obama has not met many of my expectations and I'm quite frustrated. Just asking, what is the alternative that's going to bring us something better post 2012?

[tblue]

22. It's not already?

It is! But there's so little opposition.

[RKP5637]

28. It's the lack of opposition that really gets to me. Some days I don't know WTF party

I'm in anymore when I listen to DC, I feel the dems keep sliding further and further right. IMO it's becoming the "ME Too" party.

[ProSense]

10. "Eventually,

<...>

Tim Brown, who leads a group of MoveOn members outside of Philadelphia, said he is looking to see how hard Obama pushes on the jobs bill he has put before Congress. Brown was laid off from a six-figure job two years ago and says Democrats “need to fight.”

<...>

“If he gets reelected in 2012, he won’t have to be worried about being reelected again,” Bunnell said. “Right now, he has to bend and break because of all of the obstructionists in Congress.”

Eventually, most MoveOn.org members will likely be persuaded to get behind Obama, Mann said.

“I don’t believe they will be on the sidelines,” he said. Obama, he said, must “try to create a sense of fear amongst those on the left about what could happen if Republicans control” Congress and the White House.

Where are the people helping the adminstration to push this jobs bill?

Still, the title of the article is misleading.

[WhiteTara]

11. Sure. That will fix everything. We'll just get ourselves

a stupid, mean repuke because we are frustrated with our President.

[Pirate Smile]

14. So painfully fucking stupid.

This type of liberal bullshit is why the 2000 election was close enough for Bush to steal.

People truly need to grow the hell up and face the reality of the fight we are in.

They are going to whine about their disappointments instead of focusing on what happens if a Republican wins the White House in 2012.

Truly, people, grow the fuck up.

[ixion]

21. yeah, moral relativism is so much better than moral consistency, eh?

:eyes:

Look: I didn't support Bush policies when Bush was in office, and I sure don't support them when Obama is in office.

[Arctic Dave]

24. About as painfully stupid as a President snubbing the people who help geyt him into office.

Oh wait, all this time we were just a whinny fringe and ignored but now we need to toe the line.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. If Democrats delivered for the American People, this wouldn't be an issue

"Who the !@#$ else ya gonna vote for, chumps?!" is not only an evil strategy, it doesn't work. When we use it, we lose elections.

[hulka38]

36. Who's fighting?

Nobody you support. Get a clue.

[BulletproofLandshark]

43. "Liberal bullshit"?

You're really going to pull that one out on DU? Wow. You guys aren't even trying anymore.

[Number23]

48. Exactly. And what makes no sense

is that the president's liberal support is stellar, but yet we constantly hear all of this gnashing and wailing from "liberal groups" who just can't sleep at night trying to decide what to do. :eyes:

If liberals support the president, then what the hell is the problem with these "liberal groups?" Aren't they supposed to represent liberals and liberal interests? If the folks you're supposed to represent support the president, then what the hell is the problem?????

[pa28]

51. Two f bombs and "liberal bullshit".

The Picard facepalm was just perfect but maybe not in the way you imagine. Sorry to post this but I'm just a big fan of unintentional irony.

:thumbsup:

[girl gone mad]

59. Just keep shouting at people to "grow the fuck up"

That's the ticket. :eyes:

Looks like a lot of grownups think this President sucks and they don't want to vote for him again. Now what?

[Logical]

70. Do you understand an "EVIL" GOP candidate is always there? You need more than....

a bad GOP idiot to motivate people. So many on the DU are clueless about motivation.

[RKP5637]

15. Problem is, post 2012, we might be saying President Perry. I've never underestimated

the potential failure of American voters to engage their brains when voting.

[lobodons]

18. 7-2 Conservative SCOTUS

Perhaps a 7-2 Conservative SCOTUS might help to light the fire under your arse.

I'm disappointed with Obama wa well, but the 7-2 thought gives me nightmares.

[Arctic Dave]

23. If one of the sitting members of the SCOTUS is planning on retiring maybe they should speed it up.

I mean after all, we are suppose to doing this for the good of the country, why can't they do it and make sure Obama is the one to appoint a new member.

[eilen]

72. What the hell are they waiting for? nt

[Pirate Smile]

25. People who are politically active - enough to be in MoveOn or on a political message board

should KNOW that yet I see a lot of people acting like that has never crossed their mind or they think it is no big deal.:wtf:

It is amazing.

[Arctic Dave]

19. Vote for Obama! Why? Because you don't have a choice.

Love the motivation.

Not that he will do anything you would like to see accomplished but vote for him anyways.

What is funny is how progressive are openly mocked by this administration and ignored but now that their votes are needed they are being told to step up to the plate and do as their told.

[love0bama-4ever]

31. Obama has no dem. contender. so, if not Obama, then what?

If we do not vote for Obama, he does not have a Democratic contender, so, we will then easily roll a beautiful red carpet strictly for one of those nutjob repucrook candidates, so, I think we
should think this over and vote for Obama otherwise we will obligatorily have a crazy republicrook in the presidency breaking havoc in this already diseased country, for 4 yhears.

[jtrockville]

35. I remember when MoveOn didn't endorse candidates.

There was a time when MoveOn focused on issues.

[RickFromMN]

37. It's the economy stupid. Democrats will vote for Obama. Republicans will vote against Obama.

Independents will waffle. Some will vote one way; some will vote the other.

There's a saying, "it's a recession if my neighbour is unemployed,
it's a depression if I am unemployed."

Everyone will look at the economy.

Workers view the economy in terms of jobs.
Corporations view the economy in terms of profits.

Everyone will ask who is best to fix the economy.
Everyone will ask who did what to make the economy better or make the economy worse.

If we can hang the obstructionist label around the Republicans, Obama has a chance.
If we cannot, Obama will be blamed for the economy and I don't want to think of the consequences.

Unless Obama has another way to reach the American people, Obama needs the left wing.
Like it or not, we need Obama. He is the lesser of two evils. I don't want the alternative.

I predict an extremely negative campaign. It will be one for the history books.

We must use Perry calling Social Security a Ponzi Scheme.
We must make the elderly understand the Republican proposals to reform Social Security are scary.

We must use the Tea Party words showing the Tea Party is a bunch of heartless monsters.
In the last Republican Primary debate, Tea Party members, said let a person die.
We must use those words, over and over.

We must paint the House and Senate Republicans as obstructionists catering only to the Rich.
The House Republicans were willing to let the government default. Even Wall Street was scared.
We must convince the American people Republicans will destroy our government and our society.

The Republicans will try to hang the economy around Obama's neck.
They will accuse Obama of being weak.
They will play the race and "birther" and any other card they can.
They will say Obamacare is a terrible overreach of government.
They will say tax cuts for everyone when they mean tax cuts for the rich.
They will claim the government can't do anything right while they hamstring government.

It will be who can shout the loudest and the longest. A flood of money will drown everyone.

I expect each side to spend one billion dollars, or more, during the general election.
It will be ugly, but this is the reality we must deal with.

I don't know what to do about the Blue Dog Democrats or Lieberman.
I wish we could punish them. Unfortunately, we need them.

[BulletproofLandshark]

38. Obama. Did. This. To. Himself.

He wouldn't be fighting this uphill battle if he had any semblance of a backbone, and didn't have so much contempt for anyone who isn't a Repug or a "centrist" sell-out. He has dismissed the concerns of the left at every turn, and shouldn't be at all surprised at the predicament he finds himself in. And for all of you that can only respond to the OP with threats of "Get ready for President So-so then", it says everything about how weak your candidate is when you can offer nothing more that "vote for the less shitty candidate". No one will ever use scare tactics on me to extort a vote for an undeserving candidate, whether there's a D after his name or not. Blind loyalty is the same shit we used to chide Bushbots for for 8 years.

[Missy Vixen]

45. We've been chided with this shit for a hell of a lot longer than eight years

After all, the sky is falling! Get behind the candidate that doesn't even pretend to support the things and ideas you hold valuable. After all, it's going to be President Palin/Bachmann/Romney/McCain/Bush/Thompson/whomever it is the batshit crazy Republicans are putting up this year.

No matter what - sit down, shut up, and vote for whom we tell you to. After all, if you don't, you're supporting the other side! Purity tests! Poutrage! !!!!1111!!1!!!!!!

When do we actually get to vote for someone that might actually support the Democratic Party platform?

:eyes:

[eilen]

73. Considering the president doesn't have much power

anyways.... doesn't have a magic wand, doesn't write legislation....., isn't a dictator.... what is everyone so scared of?

I guess one would need an opposition party to block anti-progressive legislation. What a concept. Elect a democratic Congress. We now know who holds the real power in Washington.

If we have a democratic Congress, and things like the Patriot Act and increasingly conservative/neocon/new liberal legislation is passed. I guess we know the name of that Donkey called the Democratic Party.

[treestar]

78. Oh for God's sake, Obama doesn't care

He's set for life. No doubt he thinks he's doing things right and doesn't agree with you.

It's the country one has to think about with election.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. Read and then meditate on my siggie. Then, think about all of us uniting to make sure GOP loses!!

[LWolf]

92. I don't want any of those things.

One of the many reasons I never wanted Obama in the WH. He's a fucking disaster for the party and the nation, and his appalling first term has set us up for the exact scenario your sig line fears.

You want to unite? Give me a non-neoliberal unapologetic OLD Democrat to unite behind, and I'm there.

[Creideiki]

46. Not grappling.

When you bring a pig to the rodeo, you have to dance to it no matter how ugly it is.

[Rex]

49. Nonsense.

The more the Repukes open their mouths in public, the more people will feel compelled to vote for Obama.

[Douglas Carpenter]

50. Given that moveon.org was founded to defend Bill Clinton from impeachment

and given that Bill Clinton was just as much a "Republican Lite" president as President Obama - it seems to follow that they would in the end support the reelection of President Obama. At some point progressives have to come to terms with the reality that the issue is not whether the person in the White House is named Obama or Clinton or whatever - The issue is that moneyed interest so dominate both political parties - that we are left with the choice between which wing of Wall Street interest gets to run the government - The center-right on economics and foreign policy but somewhat moderately liberal on social issues wing known as the Democrats or the radical right-wing extremist on economics, foreign policy and social issues lunatic wing known as the Republicans. Progressives have to face the reality that the system is now so perverted by money and the media is so beholden to moneyed interest - that no one who is not "Republican lite" has been taken seriously as a viable contender for decades and there is no indication that this is going to change anytime soon.

[Exilednight]

53. One of the reasons I supported Obama during the primary campaign is because he had the

backbone to call Hillary's policies, Republican Lite. Oddly enough, he's now enacted many of Hillary's policies.

[TheKentuckian]

54. and I think if that is the case then the "pragmatic", center, center right, and "sane" right

will get more of the batshit right than they seem comfortable with. They must either compromise with the left or figure out how to mitigate the batshit without them. "Somewhat moderate socially" is not going to draw the effort and money and won't hold the nose pinching votes for long.

[Douglas Carpenter]

62. well this approach has kept most Democrats on board for more than the last 30 years

and the money has dramatically increased. The crazier the GOP has gotten - the less the need for the Democrats to deliver. When the only viable alternative happens to be complete right-wing lunacy, they just have to be non-insane to keep their base in line. After all those with the far more disposable income who might be too socially liberal for today's Republican Party are going to tend to be those who are more sympathetic to "Republican lite" economics anyway. The professional lobbying interest who have far, far deeper pockets are going to be reaching deeper into their pockets for those who they know can be faithfully relied on to deliver for their clients. Feeling the need for enthusiasm to ignite their base may have evolved into Republican strategy particularly under Karl Rove. But it has been decades since that has been part of Democratic Party strategy. As the infamous David Frum put it so well, "The Republican Party fears its base. The Democratic Party loathes its base."

[Pavlo]

84. Excellent post. Message right on target, Doug

The system has been corrupted by money, the media and special interests.
Do you know why the IRS tax code is riddled with loopholes? It's because both
the left and the right want it that way. We are just the worker bees to the talking heads.

[LWolf]

93. Clinton was certainly a neoliberal.

Unfortunately, Obama makes him look "dlc lite," if that's possible. Clinton enabled the dlc takeover of the party, it's true.

At least he didn't fucking admire and model himself after Ronald Reagan.

[Hatchling]

56. I have no choice but to vote for Obama.

But I don't know how I can defend him against the many terrible things he has or hasn't done.

I have tried talking to several people and all I can come up with is the GOP selection is batshit crazy.

I did find a couple of really young voters who were extremely enthusiastic about Obama, but went on to say that the country needs to swing back to conservatism because the progressive stuff was ruining it. WTF! They went on to tell me that when the economy finally improves and Social Security can be privatized then it will no longer be in danger. I finally quit arguing about social security and it's 1.2 Trillion positive balance because they also told me that Progressive wasn't a political label. (The progressive label is becoing as contaminted as the liberal label has. )And since they are voting Obama anyway, I didn't want to piss them off.

[alp227]

57. Huh? These voters SUPPORTED the more conservative Obama?

Bizarro world!

[BeHereNow]

58. “Republicans will begin with an advantage,” WTF? ROTFLMAO

WHAT advantage would that be?
A string of whack-a-doodle candidates?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I just love how these so called experts assume
any one takes them seriously just because they
are speaking from some poisonous foundation.

We are not THAT stupid-
And the game is up on the think tank blathering.

BHN

[lonestarnot]

61. pigliCON douchekabobs.

[B Calm]

63. The election is over a year away, just sayin. . .

[Militant_Liberal]

66. Yes Obama is not as bad as the Pubs

but that also is not the best way to decide who you will be voting for, in fact the continuous compromise of voting for the lesser evil has brought us to where we are at today.

Bottom line is both Obama's and the GOP's policies are going in the exact same direction, the GOP is just going to implement it faster.

Until Citizens United is over turned and the DLC is run out of the Democratic Party the same way the DixieCrats were run out in the 60's and 70's there will be no change, all you will have is hope.

[opihimoimoi]

75. WTF?? Pres Obama has the ad...he will eat them GOPers for breakfast on 2012

GOPers are an EPIC FAIL...

[Shagbark Hickory]

85. Moveon should stand by it's ideals. n/t

[Claudia Jones]

87. they will all come around

We go through the same nonsense every 4 years. All of the organizations will support the Democrats. The melodrama around this has nothing to do with who will support and vote for the Democrats. It is about suppressing dissent and criticism and to facilitate moving the party to the right.

[LWolf]

90. Why struggle with it?

If there's reason not to support him, don't support him. Support those running for other offices who are worthy of that support. Don't support anyone for POTUS if there is no one worthy on the ballot.

[ixion]

97. well said.

:applause:

[scentopine]

99. Nothing to grapple with. No. Besides, republicans will vote for the real Mitt Romney

rather than a wannabe republican with a dem party bumper sticker.

Perry's tea party is never going to vote for Obama, so dems should nominate someone who promises to represent the interests of the people rather than the interests of CEO profits.

I don't believe liberals should vote for nor should they be bullied into voting for anyone who refuses to represent liberals. That subverts the process of democracy.