Heads-Up !!! - Third Way Is Giving "Advice" On #OWS And The Dems - TPMDC

[WillyT]

There have been multiple polls suggesting that pluralities or majorities of Americans support of the Occupy Wall Street protests. None of them suggest directly that embracing the movement would be a good or bad move for members of either party. So for a particular kind of political professional, a Monday email from the centrist group Third Way attempting to answer that question verged on parody.

"Occupy Wall Street -- Bad strategy for dems," the subject line read. Third Way prizes itself on dividing politics into poles and seeking a middle path between the two, so their advice came as little surprise. But it also illustrated the extent to which the Democratic party is being pulled in opposite directions on a key question this election season.

<And...>

As time goes on individual Democrats will be the object a tug of war, with the corporate and business wing of the party pulling one arm, and progressives and grassroots activists yanking at the other.

"Third Way is the 1% -- funded by the very corporations who are scared as hell that the 99% are finally taking back our democracy and our economy from them," said Adam Green, co-founder of the advocacy group Progressive Change Campaign Committee. "Third Way has a long track record of bogus polling memos written on behalf of corporations that want Democrats to lose -- and this one is no different."

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Link: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/dems-in-tug-of-war-over-occupy-wall-street.php

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[leveymg]

1. "ThirdWay is the 1% . . . that want Democrats to lose." Yup.

[RKP5637]

2. The Third Way is really analogous to the DLC isn't it ... n/t

[WillyT]

4. Basically... Yes

:shrug:

[hootinholler]

26. Analogous is way too loose

It is the direct replacement of the now defunct DLC. Same players, new 'organization'.

That is why I call them the turd way.

[2banon]

48. "Third Way" is the nomenclature for DLC ..

[Hell Hath No Fury]

3. Kiss. My. Cellulite-dimpled. Ass.

"Turd Way", indeed. :eyes:

[glinda]

10. Turd Way is right.

[Occulus]

16. Third Way and all its supporters can go straight to hell

[Vincardog]

5. Third way is the 1%. They have corrupted our party so much that I want to puke

[Dragonfli]

6. They are basically Republican plants within the party, a false flag operation that has spoon fed

Obama and other (R)epublicans in (D)rag all their talking points and trickle down theory that they then enact and claim are "Democratic".

Their masterpiece in my opinion is the 1993 Republican health insurance care plan that was re-branded and then sold as a Democratic piece of legislation. They are also pushing Bush free trade and the XL pipeline right along with the Chamber of Commerce and Obama.

I hate that they get to call themselves Democrats when they are clearly and demonstrably indoctrinated with Republican Ideals.
Too bad all you have to do is claim to be a Democrat and you are one, hell that is how we got a third Republican term in the white house right now.

[Kaleko]

22. Word.

[Hutzpa]

24. Where are you getting your talking point from?

Obama a republican? what utter BS.

[Dragonfli]

25. Third way policies are Republican policies, he embraces them, I suggest you do your research.

He is also fond of most Republican war and civil rights policies, He has been pushing bush and chamber of commerce policies in general.

He has signed into law Newt Gingrich's health care law for Christ's sake, instead of falling for the same old DLC third way re branding of Republican in Dem clothing policies and towing a party line at odds with the platform I suggest you learn a little bit about the parties and the policies they promote.

I have been a Democrat for over thirty five years and have seen Obama types before, back when they more honestly called themselves moderate Republicans. I follow the party platform that my Ideals have always aligned with rather than some neo-liberal rebranding of the 1988 Republican platform which is the best Obama has offered so far, he has even hinted at cuts to entitlements that Republicans themselves once thought were out of line.


Do some research about policy and then get back to me.

[Hutzpa]

30. "You have seen Obama types before" no shit

That is the problem isn't it, your kind of democrats are the very one whom are selling our
side for six cents to a dollar over to the republicans because your perception of modern
democrats is one of my way or the high way, I will suggest you take your time do some
reading on Obama instead of using a republican talking point to attack a president that is
more liberal than Bill Clinton.


Your attitude is helping no one, it is a deafest attitude which is you'll rather have none
than have half, considering the amount of obstacle Obama is confronted with I can say he
has done extremely well with what he came to power with, we never heard of 60 man Senate before
Obama, we never heard of super majority before Obama but he overcame all of those obstacle
and has continued working with what he has available using it to his advantage and has passed
policies that he campaigned on with less help from his fellow democrats (blue dogs) who keeps
putting up obstacles in front of him instead of working with him to defeat the real culprits.

So my suggestion to you is to please remove that veil from over your face and see who the
real culprits are and try to give him credit for most of the things he has done.

[Dragonfli]

31. Yes the type I speak of agrees with the Republican platform on economics rather than the Democratic

They are enacting Republican policy, you talk of teams like this were a sporting event.
Meanwhile he feeds the 1% and you wish me to praise him for the few crumbs he hasn't bargained away, You need to see deeper than the jersey they wear, on policy he is very much a moderate Republican no matter how hard you and others try to re-brand it with false Democratic marketing.

The ones that have sold out the party are the ones pushing the Republican policies, not those that have seen those same policies pushed by Reagan and Newt Gingrich, those policies are bad no matter who is pushing them, I bet you voted for Reagan didn't you.

[Hutzpa]

34. Listen

to avoid making false accusation about republican policy or democratic policy, our job should be
in finding progressive/liberal candidates for election that can represent our views on policies.

Believe it or not, the president cannot do this by himself, he said before that it is not "Yes He
Can" but "Yes We Can" so we have our part to play too, which is calling those representatives,
giving them hell in voting the way we want them to, it is our duty to also make sure that corporate
interest is removed from politics, but it cannot be done with us sitting around throwing temper
tantrums about how Obama did not do what I asked so I am not going to do XYZ. That attitude helps
no one, not even you.

[Dragonfli]

36. Listen - What makes you think I haven't been doing that? just because I don't sopport Dinos does not

mean I don't support Real Democrats in every way possible, I have also sent so damn many letters (polite and reasoned ones even) that I am pretty sure that they go right in the garbage bin, I support the platform and the politicians that do as well, as for the R's in D clothing, I try as hard as I can to replace them with actual Democrats.

Okay with you?

[fascisthunter]

39. .

[Hutzpa]

41. Just out of curiosity

who do you considered a real democrats because that word real reminds me of the 2008
campaign when republicans were using it to differentiate whites from blacks in this country,
so seeing you use it in this context I can't help, but think that way, so, who you
considered a real democrats?

[WillyT]

42. I Can Help... Real Democrats Stick Up For The Poor, The Working Person, The Disabled,

minorities, women, labor unions, the environment, etc. etc. etc...

and NOT for the moneyed interests.

Easy-Peasy.

:shrug:

[Dragonfli]

43. Democrats that stand up for Democratic Ideals (those are stated in the platform you guys use for TP)

Generally speaking they stand up for the poor, the disadvantaged, the working people, the people that can not work for a myriad of reasons, the disenfranchised, the victims of bigots, a fair and equally advantageous economy.

Pretty much the opposite of what the Third Way stand for (they are pro-business tools of the US Chamber of Commerce that worry about the wealthy and corporations above the people).

[Hutzpa]

45. Great

now that we know what a real democrat is and does, would you now agree that your argument that
Obama is a DINO is moot?

[Dragonfli]

47. Only in that he will not change his free trading, xl pipeline, Goldman Sachs loving moderate

Republican ways.
It is a moot point as he will continue to fight for the Chamber of Commerce Third Way brothers and is beyond attempts to lobby him, or influence him in any way from the left of Max Bacchus.

A moot point indeed.

[Hutzpa]

49. Are you suggesting that the president should not

do business with big corporation? If you are then that means no democrats should engage
in any form of business with any entities, right?

[Dragonfli]

50. He is supposed to work for the people not "do business with big corporations" he

is not there to make them rich at our expense.

Are you finally admitting that he works for big business?
It sure sounds like it.

You would be correct, but this is not a fascism this is a Democracy, in a Democracy our leaders are not there at the pleasure of corporations, but rather to govern for the PEOPLE.

[Melinda]

35. FDR, JFK, and LBJ would have to disagree with your statement:

"...we never heard of 60 man Senate before
Obama, we never heard of super majority before Obama... ".

Oh, and so does history.

Jes Sayin'.

[chill_wind]

7. That's like getting advice from Pete Peterson and The Frikken Chamber of Commerce

Or The Bradley Foundation.

Or the Third Way's very own Wall Street Board of Trustees, now wouldn't it be:

http://thirdway.org/trustees

· John L. Vogelstein: Chairman, New Providence Asset Management, LLC and Senior Advisor to Warburg Pincus, LLC

· Bernard L. Schwartz: Chairman & CEO of BLS Investments, LLC. Mr. Schwartz retired in 2006 after 34 years as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Office of Loral Space & Communications Inc. (NASBAQ:LORL)

· David Heller: Global Head of Equity Trading for Goldman Sachs.

· Dwight Anderson: a Principal and Portfolio Manager of Ospraie Management, LLC, an $8billion investment firm focused on four investment strategies in the basic industry and commodities sectors – hedge fund, private equity, incubation/seeding and long only.

· Georgette Bennett: Sociologist, criminologist, and journalist

· Jonathan Cowan: a co-founder of Third Way, has served as a high level bureaucrat in the Clinton administration. With funding from the anti-Social Security billionaire Peter Peterson, founded a Social Security benefits reduction group called Lead or Leave

· Lewis Cullman: Founder and President of Cullman Ventures, Inc.

· John Dyson: Chairman of Millbrook Capital Management, Inc. (MCM) – A hedge fund.

· Robert Dyson: Chairman and CEO of Dyson-Kissner-Moran Corp., a privately owned, diversified invest holding company that was founded by his father Charles H. Dyson in 1954.

· Brian Frank: Director and Portfolio Manager at MSD Capital, L.P., the private investment firm founded by Michael Dell.

· Michael Goldberg: Joined Kelso & Company in 1991 as a Partner and Managing Director. Prior to joining the firm, he spent two years as a Managing Director and co-head of the mergers & acquisitions department at The First Boston Corporation.

· Peter Joseph: Managing Director of Palladium (investment firm).

· General Claudia Kennedy: First woman to achieve the rank of three-star general in the U.S. Army.

· Derek Kirkland: Managing Director and Co-Head of the Global Financial Institutions Group at Morgan Stanley’s Financial Institutions Group in Investment Banking

· Reynold Levy: President of Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts

· Daniel Loeb: CEO of Third Point (investment firm). Prior to founding Third Point, Mr. Loeb was Vice President of High Yield sales at Citigroup.

· Thurgood Marshall, Jr.: A Partner at Bingham McCutchen LLP, and a Principal of Bingham Consulting Group (lobbyist for Wall Street)

· Herbert Miller: former CEO and Chairman of The Mills Corporation, one of America’s most innovative and successful mall developers and managers

· Michael Novogratz: President and Director of Fortress Investment Group LLC (spent 11 years at Goldman Sachs)

· Andrew Parmentier: Founding and Managing Partner of Height Analytics (has worked in the financial services industry since 1997)

· David Roberts: Senior Managing Director of Angelo, Gordon & Co. (manages the firm’s private equity and special situations area)

· Howard Rossman: President and Founder of Mesirow Advanced Strategies, Inc, and a Vice Chairman of its parent, Mesirow Financial Holdings Inc.

· Tim Sweeney: President and CEO of the Denver-based Gill Foundation

· Ted Trimpa: Lawyer active in conservative wing of the Democratic Party

· Barbara Manfrey: Specialist in venture capital and specialized equity investing. A past Partner of Apax Partners & Co. Ventures, a leading worldwide venture capital firm

· Joseph Zimlich: Chief Executive Officer of Bohemian Companies, a group of family-owned real estate and private equity holdings.


http://tallgrassactivist.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/the-third-way-conservative-democrats%E2%80%99-front-for-wall-street-and-a-primrose-path-to-a-poorer-middle-class/

:rofl:

[madrchsod]

8. third way people are republicans

[chill_wind]

15. that call themselves New Democrats.

In the House.

NDC Membership
Joseph Crowley (NY-07), Chair
Jim Himes (CT-04), Vice-Chair
Rick Larsen (WA-02), Vice-Chair
Ron Kind (WI-03), Vice-Chair
Allyson Schwartz (PA-13), Vice-Chair

Jason Altmire (PA-04)
John Barrow (GA-12)
Shelley Berkley (NV-01)
Lois Capps (CA-23)
Russ Carnahan (MO-03)
John Carney (DE-At Large)
André Carson (IN-07)
Gerry Connolly (VA-11)
Jim Cooper (TN-05)
Joe Courtney (CT-02)
Susan Davis (CA-53)
Eliot Engel (NY-17)
Gabby Giffords (AZ-08)
Charles Gonzalez (TX-20)
Colleen Hanabusa (HI-01)
Martin Heinrich (NM-01)
Brian Higgins (NY-27)
Rush Holt (NJ-12)
Jay Inslee (WA-01)
Carolyn McCarthy (NY-04)
Mike McIntyre (NC-07)
Gregory Meeks (NY-06)
Jim Moran (VA-08)
Chris Murphy (CT-05)
Bill Owens (NY-23)
Ed Perlmutter (CO-07)
Gary Peters (MI-09)
Pedro Pierluisi (PR-At Large)
Jared Polis (CO-02)
Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Cedric Richmond (LA-02)
Loretta Sanchez (CA-47)
Adam Schiff (CA-29)
Kurt Schrader (OR-05)
David Scott (GA-13)
Terri Sewell (AL-07)
Adam Smith (WA-09)


http://ndc.crowley.house.gov/index.php?option=com_conte...

NewDemPAC

http://www.ndcpac.com /

[Canuckistanian]

18. Screw the "New" Democrats

I'd like to see some "Old" Democrats. Like Kennedy, Wellstone, Carter, or even Mike Gravel.

THEY were Democrats.

[slipslidingaway]

9. Third Way and the Obama administration - Sebelius, Daley ...

http://www.thirdway.org/press_releases/40

http://www.thirdway.org/press_releases/60

http://www.thirdway.org/press_releases/135


The Third Way White House: Daley to be announced today

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/06/933664/-The-Third-Way-White-House:-Daley-to-be-announced-today

[glinda]

11. Dang. Kick this hard!

[slipslidingaway]

12. They were very happy with the appointments ...

just as the stock market was happy when Geithner was appointed in late 2008 ... the Geithner "bottom" or "bounce." Then again you could not talk about Geithner, head of the NY Fed since 2003, back then.

:hi:

[chill_wind]

17. and Salazar and the rest of the Emeritus

Kathleen Sebelius
Secretary of Health and Human Services


Ken Salazar
Secretary of the Interior


Ellen Tauscher
Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security


Blanche Lambert Lincoln

Evan Bayh

Jane Harman

Mark Pryor

US Senate, Arkansas

http://www.thirdway.org/co_chairs

[slipslidingaway]

19. Thanks for adding these names! n/t

[WillyT]

13. Kick !!!

:kick:

[Raksha]

14. K & R

[Zorra]

20. Good Dem strategy: Telling the Third Way to STFU and crawl into a dark hole

until after the 2012 election is over.

Better yet, tell them to just stay there.

[WillyT]

21. One Last...

:kick:

[AntiFascist]

23. Ironically....

Fascism was sold to the Germans as a 'Third Way' alternative to capitalism or communism. Capitalism had gone out of favor due to the Depression and those in power feared that communism (also labeled Judeo-Bolshevism) might take root.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

...

The fascists opposed both international socialism and liberal capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third way. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.<12> They favoured corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and separate social classes was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists).<13> Fascists argued that the state had a role in mediating relations between these classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).<14>

[saras]

33. It's not ironic at all. Not one bit. It's just unfashionable to mention. Godwin and all that...

[fascisthunter]

37. NOT a coincidence

[mod mom]

27. "seeking a middle path" BS they serve their corporate masters and work in their behalf.

[hulka38]

28. The first front to regaining our democracy

is to defeat and expose the Third Way/DLC faction that controls the Democratic Party. They do not want real change. They come to snuff out OWS in its crib.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. Kinda like George III giving "advice" to the Continental Congess. K&R

[The Wizard]

32. fuck 'em

[TheKentuckian]

38. The Turd Way is a club for Republicans who don't like the churchy shit

but are too lazy and/or evil to get their own party in hand.

[fascisthunter]

40. I'm Liking the "Turd Way" name

time to boot them from the party!

[WCGreen]

44. Love that..... spot on....

[KoKo]

46. k&r!