(Australia) Immunise or lose benefits, parents told

[The Straight Story]

Immunise or lose benefits, parents told


Parents who do not have their children fully immunised will be stripped of family tax benefits under a scheme announced by the Federal Government.

The Government says 11 per cent of five-year-olds are not immunised and has announced a shake-up of the system which will take effect from July 1 next year.

Under the changes, families who refuse vaccinations face losing up to $2,100 per child in benefits.

Families will need to have their children fully immunised to receive the Family Tax Benefit (FTB) Part A end-of-year supplement.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-25/immunise-or-lose-benefits-parents-told/3694236

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Good this is public health

and i know you will probably not agree, But civilized countries do not tolerate this shit, and have many ways to get the little ones immunized.

[The Straight Story]

3. I prefer kids weren't vaxxed until a little older, when they can communicate

should they suffer any side effects.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. The schedule is based on well known immunological development

aka science.

[darth marth]

8. they keep adding more and more and more...without studying the effects

You cannot possible be paying attention and trust our FDA, CDC or any of our government institutions at this point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. You are right

Australia is following the CDC and not their own research.

[Violet_Crumble]

19. No they're not...

The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) carries out research on all vaccines in Australia.

In Australia, vaccines and other prescription medicines are regulated by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) in accordance with the provisions of the Therapeutic Goods Act 1989 (the Act). It is a requirement of the Act that therapeutic products imported into, supplied in, or exported from Australia be included in the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG).

In order for a vaccine to be included in the ARTG, a sponsoring company is required to make an application which consists of data to support the quality, safety and efficacy of the product for its intended use, and which is then subject to rigorous evaluation by the TGA. TGA's data requirements are largely based on those applying in the European Union, supplemented by Australia-specific requirements where necessary. Extensive guidance is available to assist with the interpretation of the requirements, including documents relating specifically to the registration of vaccines.

The quality control aspects of an application cover the batch production processes to ensure that the medicine is produced to a consistent standard as defined by the product specification. This quality specification places controls on the purity and potency of the medicine as well as on other aspects necessary to ensure the efficacy of the product.

Recognising the important role of vaccines for public health, the pre-market quality review of vaccine submissions is supplemented by a batch release program operated by TGA in accordance with recommendations of the World Health Organization. Through this program, production and quality control data for each batch of a vaccine are assessed prior to it being supplied in Australia. The TGA also operates a batch testing program for the most widely used vaccines, including influenza vaccines, in which aspects such as the potency and sterility of the vaccine are checked.

The pre-clinical data supplied to TGA for assessment include studies designed to assess the toxicological profile of the medicine. These studies commonly include data on the safety of the product when tested in animals.

The third component of an application to include a vaccine, or other prescription medicine, in the ARTG is the submission of clinical data. This part of a submission consists of clinical trial data in humans. These data are used to support both the safety and efficacy of the product for the indications proposed by the product sponsor. The clinical data requirements vary with different products and different types of submission. In general, well-designed trials conducted in a sufficient number of subjects representing the target population and of a sufficient duration are usually required in order to demonstrate the efficacy and safety of the product for the proposed indication. The clinical evaluators assess the balance of benefits and risks based on the submitted clinical trial data and then recommend approval or rejection of the application based on that overall assessment. Each medicine and vaccine carries the risk of adverse effects in some people; the key issue in the regulatory decision is to determine that the overall balance of risks and benefits is positive in the population in whom the product is intended to be used.

As part of the evaluation process, the TGA delegate will refer an application or a new chemical entity (NCE) or major extension of indication to the Advisory Committee on Prescription Medicines (ACPM). The ACPM is a statutory committee whose members are appointed by the Minister. The Committee meets every two months and considers applications referred to it by TGA delegates, providing advice on a range of issues, but with particular emphasis on NCEs and extension of indications for already marketed prescription products.

Since April 2009, the TGA has required sponsors to submit a formal risk management plan (RMP) with each application for registration or extension of indication of a new medicine or vaccine. RMPs are intended to set out those activities and interventions that will be undertaken to identify, characterise and mitigate known or anticipated risks relating to a new medicine or vaccine, recognising that premarketing trials cannot prospectively identify all safety issues.

The decision-maker with respect to an application for marketing approval is a delegate of the Secretary of the Department of Health and Ageing, within the TGA. The delegate takes into account (but is not bound by) the views of the ACPM before making a decision to approve or reject a product. Approvals may be subject to conditions such as restrictions on the use of a product to certain patient groups, or compliance with an agreed RMP. The Product Information and the Consumer Medicines Information are made available on the TGA website to assist health professionals and consumers to better understand the benefits and risks of medicines.

http://www.tga.gov.au/safety/alerts-medicine-seasonal-flu-101008.htm

I was going to dig out my daughter's baby book to see what 'more and more and more' has been added in the nearly 20 years since she was first immunised, but just taking a quick glance at the list of the definition of fully immunised, off the top of my head I can only spot one that has been added in that time (Hep B).

http://immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/faq-related-payments#exemptions

There's exemptions for children that are on medication that could cause side-effects for the vaccines, as well as for parents who have a 'conscientious objection' to immunising their children. The former category would apply only for a small percentage of children, and as far as I'm concerned when it comes to the latter, if parents just don't want their little precious immunised and they would have been eligible for FTB Part A, then they should be given the choice of not wanting the benefit along with not wanting their kids immunised.

http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.aspx?menuid=0&doc=/content/00174278.htm&page=7

I don't know or particularly care how it all works in the US, but that's how it works here. If any parent were to trot out the 'I don't trust the government blah blah' line, I'd point out to them that if they don't trust the government they should prove that lack of trust by refusing to receive all government benefits as well...

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. You should have posted that to the person

I answered to... why the face palm

:-)

[Violet_Crumble]

21. Oops. Sorry. I'm still waking up....

I still haven't had my second wake-up cuppa of the morning that kicks me fully out of my fuzzy sleep mode! I'll fix it now :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Oh no problem

Over here getting ready to make left over tacos

[Swede]

32. What is your recipe for these tacos?

(sorry to change the subject)

[Violet_Crumble]

22. Totally wrong. This is for you...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2379105&mesg_id=2379906

[LeftyMom]

2. That's fine as long as there's a medical exemption. Some kids can't have all their shots due

to allergies, prior bad reactions, etc. A family shouldn't lose two grand a year because their kid's allergic to eggs (a common vaccine component) or something.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I am sure they will have that exception

the number of kids that applies is minimum though

[cutlassmama]

6. Some parents don't want to immunize because of the correlation of

vaccines and autism. My son is autistic and I'm certain it was from the vaccines.

Is this a test balloon to see if it flies?

[leftyohiolib]

9. science says youre wrong. not that anyone believes scientists but

In the late 1990s, some researchers started raising concerns over the amount of thimerosal -- a mercury-containing preservative -- found in many children's vaccines. Although thimerosal had been used as an anti-contamination agent for decades, until 1991 the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTaP) vaccination was the only thimerosal-containing shot recommended for infants and children. The hypothesis: As more thimerosal-containing vaccines like hepatitis B and Hib were added to the recommended schedule, researchers worried that babies were receiving too much of the chemical in too short a timeframe, which could potentially impact brain development.

In a totally separate (but coincidental) issue around this time, another group of researchers theorized that children who received the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine (which never did contain thimerosal) were more likely to develop autism than those who did not receive it.

But almost as quickly as these ideas were introduced, many larger, better-designed studies started disproving the link between vaccines and autism. Today, scientists are more confident than ever that vaccines play no role in the onset of this developmental disorder. Find out why here.

http://www.parents.com/baby/health/autism/health-update-more-proof-that-vaccines-dont-cause-autism/

[darth marth]

10. the vaccine situation is so out of control, I can't understand how anyone defends it

There seems to be an effort to make Democrats the Vaccine Nazis or something.

Just like homeschool, the original concerns on this issue came from hippies and educated people that do not trust everything the government tells us.

[darth marth]

11. I just want to say that I agree, and support you

Government 'research' always says exactly what they want it to.

And who controls our government...the people or big pharma?


How can anyone take a look at the ingredients in vaccines, and the nazi like push to force everyone to get them....and not think something is up?



They have been pressuring everyone to get the flu vaccines with no evidence they help.

And there has been plenty of evidence they are making people sick.

I use to drive meals on wheels and was told by several seniors that they never had the flu, but after the shot they got sick. One woman had her husband die of the flu shortly after getting the vaccine.

[uppityperson]

12. The guy that did the study correlating vaccines and autism lied about his results

to prove his point. There have been no reputable studies proving a correlation.

[darth marth]

15. there are so many stories of parents directly witnessing the effects on their child

parents who did all the right things, listened to public pressure and the government....and after the vaccine, the child went backwards, stopped making eye contact, went backward developmentally, etc.

Now to these parents, who watch this happen with their own eyes....are they still supposed to believe this government research?

And anyone with the slightest bit of compassion, take a walk around the internet and read the stories from horrified parents and ask yourself...

what do these parents have to gain by telling their stories?

What does big pharma have to gain by lying about the safety?

[leftyohiolib]

17. stories are not proof. scientists-not the government- cant find any link

what do these parents have to gain by telling their stories? it makes the parents feel better.when something goes wrong with a child parents experience alot of emotions one being guilt. did i do something to cause this? why people keep blaming the vaccines because it is an easy scape-goat. by blaming the vaccine and not random fate you both become victims and the blame gets placed on the vaccine. telling their stories reinforces to them the fact that they did nothing wrong (obviously)thereby easing the sub-concious feelings of guilt.

[uppityperson]

18. And so many kids suddenly need glasses when they enter school and get their eyes checked

for the first time. Correlation does not equal causation. Since vaccines are give around the time that some children start exhibiting signs of autism, I understand the desire to link them. To say 1 caused the other. To have a reason for such a thing to happen.

What do the parents have to gain? To have a reason their child is autistic.

If you don't believe research, instead anecdotes, I am sorry.

[jwirr]

7. This is good. I lived through the polio epidemic and I would rather

be safe than sorry.

[SidDithers]

13. Good. As long as there is a medical exemption for those who can't be vaccinated...

I have absolutely no problem with mandatory vaccination.

Sid

[darth marth]

16. the parents that speak up about this...are treated just like Gulf War Syndrome Victims

just because you cannot prove something with government research- doesn't mean it ain't happening....



And to those that think the phony autism/vaccine connection scientist exposed is some kind of proof, this is just like the global warming polar bear study, they set up the phony research, then expose it...to make their point of view seem more valid. It's just what they do.

[uppityperson]

24. The phony autism/vaccine connection scientist is NOT proof. That is the point

He said he had proof, but lied about the numbers. He did NOT have proof. So yes, our viewpoint that there has not been any true studies that validate any connection is valid.

[darth marth]

25. that is my point, they planted phony evidence, then disprove it to discredit people

that is what they do...see global warming polar bear story

[uppityperson]

26. What? Mr Wakefield manipulate evidence to discredit himself?

"that is what they do"? He planted phony evidence to discredit himself? Or are you saying someone else manipulated his evidence to discredit him? Since he is the one who used fake evidence, not sure who the "they" are that you mean.

[darth marth]

28. he was one of their people for this purpose all along

No matter how you personally feel about vaccines, what is this bullshit about forcing anyone to do anything?



I don't know about you , but I like freedom to make my own choices in life.

I do not understand how vaccine nazis justify their behavior of forcing others to have vaccines because they believe so strongly in them.


Bill Gates Vaccine program was involved in forcing vaccines in Africa at gun point? Do you all support that as well?

[uppityperson]

29. Wakefield was one of "their people all along"? Wow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. extraordinary claiims require credible links

re gates using guns to force people to get vaccines.

[darth marth]

31. Gates Foundation partner forces vaccines on Malawian children at gunpoint, arrests parents

According to a recent report in the Malawi Voice, at least 131 Malawian children were vaccinated this week at gunpoint after having previously fled the country with their parents to avoid the mandatory jabs.

Reports indicate that a number of children and their parents belonging to Zion and Atumwi Churches fled the southeast African country of Malawi to neighboring Mozambique a few months ago in order to avoid a measles vaccine campaign.

Upon recently returning, officials apparently learned of the unvaccinated children's whereabouts and, with the help of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation allies, forcibly injected them at gunpoint with the vaccines.

"We were alerted that some children who were hiding in Mozambique were back in the country and we asked police to escort the health officials in order to vaccinate them, and we have managed to vaccinate about 131 children," said Dr. Medison Matchaya, District Health Officer in Nsanje, Malawi, to the Malawi Voice.

[ZenaD]

27. I think they should do this here in the US and if you're for the health care mandate

you shouldn't be against this. With the HC mandate you are penalized via the tax code for being uninsured. With this, you are penalized via the tax code for not vaccinating your children.