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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:15 PM Original message |
Dean to PolitiFact: Democrats are "atrocious" at messaging. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. I half-way agree with him. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. they seemed to be good enough at it during the campaign. |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. True! |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Howard is so right |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good to know that people on the inside are getting what vast numbers of us |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. It's more that people don't want to hear the truth. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. The messaging wasn't atrocious |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. It is inability to get message out as well as inability to package a clear loud precise message. |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. IMO, Dean is 100% correct. Democrats get beaten by catch phrases and sound bites made up |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. Yup. I think the average American has an attention span... |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. Catch-Phrases are for people who share the same brain. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. baseline humans are incapable of real rational thought. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Precisely why Fox "News" is engineered the way it is. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. i instinctively agree. maybe later i'll figure out why. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. On unemployment and tax cuts.... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. He is absolutely right, and our ineffective messaging on the Health Care debate cost us dearly |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
13. my question is WHY? it makes not one whit of sense |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. My guess.... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Part of it has to do with a willingness to lie. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. You don't have to lie to get your message out (well, the GOP does). The truth |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. The GOP doesn't lie to get their message out |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 06:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
44. You messaged it better than I did. :P |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Because they can't decide what their message is. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
19. Maybe because, for the most part, they don't have a message? |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
20. Yes the Democrats are atrocious at messaging... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Yes, I agree. "compromised their positions"... |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. It was because our leaders sold out... |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. I have voted dem my whole life and spent quite a bit of my free time here |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. File under "No Shit, Sherlock". |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'll take Drew Westen over Luntz any day of the week |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. It is pretty hard to have strong messaging when there is no real message. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I tend to agree, but at least Dean is saying something about it. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. Dean is saying American public hasn't gotten Obama/Dem Party message ... ??? |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. And the message is . . . |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
31. Problem is the Dems take on issues that can't be explained with slogans |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. 76%+ of Americans knew enough to support single-payer government run health care .... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. +1 |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
33. Frankly, I'm starting to disbelieve the 'incompetence' angle |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
34. It is not about catch phrases........ |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
37. K&R! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
38. The Republicans have a huge money machine that funds think tanks |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
39. Howard deserves to be taken very seriously for one very simple reason |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
40. I agree. If the party is a promoter of Reaganomics, it should let |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
41. Yes. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. I think you mean "yes." |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Shit - I forgot to say YES!!!!!!! |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
42. Recommend |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
43. Once again, Howard Dean is right. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
45. what he neglects to tell you is that that is the plan. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Howard has no such "role." |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Thanks for that response, DFW |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. says you, in far too many words. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I've known him for about ten years. You have known him for how long? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
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Martin Eden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
48. "craving some strong and tough talk" |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
51. It's not that the Republicans are better at messaging |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
55. I suspect that the same corporate powers that... |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
56. I thought this for awhile |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-18-10 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
57. truer words could not have been spoken |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
60. If Dems are NOT going to cut Social Security, they need to speak out. |
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