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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:43 AM
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David Kelly death riddle grows as it emerges personal items found on body did not have fingerprints
Source: Daily Mail

David Kelly death riddle grows as it emerges personal items found on his body did not have fingerprints on them

By Miles Goslett



Further questions have been raised over the death of Dr David Kelly after police admitted that two personal items found with his body – his mobile phone and a watch – did not have any fingerprints on them.

The news brings the number of objects without fingerprints at the site where the weapons inspector’s body was discovered to five – the other three being the knife he allegedly used to slash his wrist, the packs of pills he is said to have overdosed on, and a water bottle.

It had been suggested that the lack of fingerprints on the knife might be due to the presence of gaffer tape on it. But Thames Valley Police have now confirmed that the knife had no tape on its handle.

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In another disclosure, following questions submitted under the Freedom of Information Act, police admitted they still do not know who owned the watch found beside his body. Police did not bother to check with Dr Kelly’s relatives if it belonged to him.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350898/David-Kelly-death-Personal-items-fingerprints.html#ixzz1CLSIvj00
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:47 AM
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1. He was a threat to the PTB
let your mind wander from there.........
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:49 AM
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2. I would have said a threat to the dreams of RBC
but the point is the crime scene evidence together with what looks like a sham coroner's report looks like a professional hit by an agency of a government.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:58 AM
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3. Okay, who is reaching the conclusion that the people who set up the
scene were careless because they knew the government would cover for them?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:22 AM
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7. +1 But I didn't believe the official story from the beginning. nt
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:06 AM
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35. ditto
i considered his death homicide from the first time i read about it. it surprises me that there would be any question at this point. the man was murdered, or should i say assassinated?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:00 AM
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4. That clinches it.
I was skeptical initially towards the idea that Kelly was the victim of an assassination. But, although they sometimes clean out their homes and offices before death, suicides do not bother to wipe their own prints from items in their possession which will certainly be found with their bodies. There would be no reason for it, rational or irrational. Murderers do wipe things down at the crime scene, though, for the obvious reason. David Kelly was murdered.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:55 PM
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26. Right you are Kenny
this does it for me too.

Murder no doubt
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 08:40 AM
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31. Maybe...
He wiped the prints because someone in his family or a friend may have used his phone and he didn't want them
incriminated in any way.

I've never read a story where a killer used his victims cell phone. And why would a criminal use a cell phone that
would have a record of the call on a phone bill? If that's your logic to call it murder - then it wouldn't
stand up in court.

Guess again.

PS...
I've never even seen a tv show where the killer took out someone cell phone and used it after they've killed someone.
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That Guy 888 Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:28 PM
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36. Maybe it was checked to see who he had been in contact with?
If he was murdered, checking his physical phone might be less intrusive/obvious than official inquiries into his phone records. From there of course you can speculate as to whether it was to obtain or suppress evidence that might have been on his phone.


I have seen tv shows where a deceased person's cell phone provides useful information.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:09 AM
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5. So he had a heart attack and slashed his wrists and then ...
.... walked a mile from his house and o.d.ed on pills leaving no blood
@ the "place of his death" and wiped down his watch, cell phone, pill bottle,
and water bottle of all fingerprints before he died.

The man was on a mission.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 09:52 AM
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33. He wanted the total death experience.
:sarcasm:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:20 AM
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6. So, who invented the "gaffer tape" on the knife handle story?
And, why? How come it took so long for these routine details about lack of fingerprints on his personal items to come out? Sure wasn't wearing gloves on 17 July 2003.

Nobody's cell phone lacks their prints, unless it's been wiped clean. Why would Kelly wipe his own phone clean?

Why would Kelly bring someone else's watch with him to his own suicide?

This seals it for me. Probable Murder.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:30 AM
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9. Not to spoil the theory, but my cell phone has no prints
I wiped it all the time because it's shiny and the prints are distracting. I wipe it frequently, almost every time I put it into its holster. However, I never wipe my watch or any other item, just the phone.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:38 AM
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10. I bet you don't wipe the back, the battery, and the SIM card.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 11:39 AM by leveymg
I thought about that, because I also wipe the face of my crackberry several times a day, as the black plasma screen picks up oil from my face and hair. But, I rarely if ever wipe the other parts I touch. Also, the phone he used in 2003 likely was an old-fashioned flip phone, which I rarely had to clean.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:52 AM
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12. True, I've never wiped the battery or the cover.
I'm, surprised that a murderer wouldn't just take the easiest route, it with him and toss it off a bridge. Curiouser and curioser...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:00 PM
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13. The murders couldn't toss those items because it wouldn't look like a suicide.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 12:41 PM by leveymg
The phone, in particular, is an important piece of evidence. Any homicide detective would conclude it was murder if the cell phone the victim habitually carries was missing without a convincing explanation.

Suicides don't normally toss phones and other pocket items, and they certainly don't wipe them clean before overdosing and slicing their own wrists.

The watch may have been a leave-behind message or warning from the murderers to others: "Time's Up for Whistleblowers", or something like that.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:29 AM
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8. The Daily Mail? nt
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:46 AM
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11. Stopped clock syndrome. (n/t)
:shrug:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:15 PM
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14. And this didn't come out at the time because, ____________
Fill in the blank with either Bush or Blair. And threats.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:21 PM
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15. Investigative complicity. Scotland Yard/MI-6 co-conspiracy after the fact?
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 12:24 PM by leveymg
Looks like political policing at its finest.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:32 PM
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18. Oh come on Mark, what would make you think that?
Just because Dr Kelly's medical records have been sealed for 70 years

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/25/david-kelly-suicide-hutton-inquiry

;)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:36 PM
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20. Others think it's a roll of Reynold's Wrap. I see sculpture. ;-)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:38 PM
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22. You have to have some serious blinders on as well as less knowledge
of history of intelligence agencies.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 06:43 AM
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30. Well, I'll be damned.
I didn't know that - does that look like guilt, or what? If it's all
straightforward, why do the records have to be hidden?

Big question is, just how deeply was Tony Blair involved - directly,
or did someone do it for him?

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:23 PM
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16. Scooter's buddy Judith Miller should have her sorry ass under oath
+ asked what she knows.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:25 PM
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17. I believe she was interviewed by British police.
Don't know whether she was placed under oath, though.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:33 PM
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19. Recommended.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:36 PM
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21. Blame the Dark Actors. Here...
Why I know weapons expert Dr David Kelly was murdered, by the MP who spent a year investigating his death

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html#ixzz1CLvKI7BC


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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:41 PM
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23. So the knife Kelly "supposedly" used to "supposedly" cut his own wrist did not have any of Kelly's..
...fingerprints on it?:rofl:
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:48 PM
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24. But, even so, anyone who doubts the official story is a "conspiracy theorist".
Go figure.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:46 PM
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25. k
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:10 PM
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27. Blair may have answers
that fugging war criminal.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:13 PM
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28. He was suicided by Blair's government
or wouldn't it be sumthin if Bush did it

then one is wondering of other suicided

or opportune deaths
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 05:43 AM
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29. k
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 09:48 AM
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32. and on and on it goes
yet many continue to pretend like conspiracies never happen. Like 9/11 or anthrax, etc.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:05 AM
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34. there are still people
who don't believe he was murdered?
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