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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:16 AM
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Egypt Thread #3 (1-30-11)
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 09:52 AM by dixiegrrrrl
Good Morning, I hope we can all gather together again today to share this event.

edited to link to earlier thread, by request:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x305867
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:19 AM
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1. CNN interviewing Negroponte...
:banghead:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:20 AM
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2. Can you sum it up as it goes on, pls?
Well, anything significant, of course.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:21 AM
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4. I have it muted - watching AJE concurrently...
I'm sorry...
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:20 AM
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3. God, they're useless. nt
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:43 PM
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140. I totally concur with your reaction! nt
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:21 AM
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5. Damn Clinton...looks like our gang has decided to support "regime change"
whatever form that takes.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:22 AM
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6. Live Eyewitness Tweets from Tahrir Square Here:
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:22 AM
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7. 'There is a meeting in the mosque to discuss area defense strategy'
beleidy Amr El Beleidy
There is a meeting in the mosque to discuss area defense strategy, off I go!

http://twitter.com/#!/beleidy/status/31717712916914176
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:22 AM
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8. AJ: Thousands of people are joining protesters in Tahrir Square. nt
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:24 AM
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9. God bless AJ.
The ONLY reason I just put speakers on my puter.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:25 AM
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10. This is definitely their moment. nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:27 AM
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11. fighter jets flying even lower, crowd shouting ‘where is media? this is terrorism!’ & more defiance
Moreno_Mosca RT @AymanM: #egypt

fighter jets flying even lower, crowd shouting ‘where is media? this is terrorism!’ & more defiant chants
4 govt 2 leave! #jan25
less than 20 seconds ago via web
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:29 AM
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12. Good morning
K & R
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:31 AM
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16. Good moning, malaise. glad you are here.
the more eyes and resources, the better.

:hi:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:29 AM
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13. captured documents say that authorisation of shoot-to-kill orders will come at 12 pm
Kate_Murphy

@SkyNews Apparently, these captured documents say that authorisation of shoot-to-kill orders will come at 12 pm
tonight #jan25 #Egypt"
less than 20 seconds ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:32 AM
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20. Good morning, Catherina.
Sorry to hear such bad news.

12 pm, their time is....what?..our time, do ya know?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:37 AM
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23. Midnight their time
Thanks for starting a new thread. Can you put the link to the other thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x305867) in your op for navigation later?

Is it too late?

:hug:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:53 AM
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38. done.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:55 AM
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41. Thank you.
:hug: again.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:29 AM
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113. edit
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:31 AM by Kali
they are 9 hours ahead of ME :P - sorry I was a little self centered there (my sister is there, so I am acutely aware of the time difference for us)

9 hours ahead of non-daylight savings mountain time (most of AZ)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:30 AM
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14. almost like a stand off with the Army
muiz

Yesterday protestors were with the army, very different atmosphere today - it is almost like a stand off...
| @AJEnglish | #Egypt | #Jan25
less than 20 seconds ago via web
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:30 AM
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15. Riveted to AJ live feed
We are watching history. K + R
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:31 AM
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75. and, thanks to DU, we have it bookmarked!
which is why I like these unified threads, so later we can read the history, the REAL history.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:31 AM
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17. AJ: Curfew has started across country according to Egypt TV.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:31 AM
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18. the live stream is also talking about a serious change
has happened with the military toward the protests.

oy.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:33 AM
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21. I saw that. Hoping the soldiers will refuse their orders. nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:45 AM
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30. The Tunisian activists told them in advance that the army was the soft spot
and to do EVERYTHING in their power to get the army on their side.

God bless you Tunisians for your solidarity.

God bless you Egyptians for remaining on your guard.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:36 AM
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22. People in the square saying there's a noticable change...
...with the entry of buzzing jets and more army trucks appearing in the square.:scared:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:39 AM
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25. There's no way Mubarak can order the military
to turn the guns on it's own people, and I'm talking on a large scale. It would be complete world condemnation. Despite the terrible murders that have already taken place, so far those have been, and I hate to use this term, isolated incidences.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:45 AM
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29. I do think USA gov. would condemn in public but not in private.
DC must be a very busy place recently trying to get all their ducks in a row.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:49 AM
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35. They're more panicked than Mubarak now.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 09:50 AM by Catherina
Mubarak has only Egypt to lose.

They lose the entire Middle East, North Africa, the Suez Canal used to move trade and WAR materials, the safety of Israel our proxy, cheap oil, cheap minerals.

The domino effect will begin in earnest now.

Obama just blew it. He had a chance to be on the right side of history and BLEW IT.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:50 AM
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37. DC is stalling while they arrange for
Mubarak to step down and get the flock outta Dodge. I'm sure the US' intent is to leave it all in the hands of the VP, wrongly thinking that the problem is Mubarak. Not surprising that they're not getting yet that they're not the ones in charge anymore. The smarmy language from the US is to buy time. When all is said and done, the WH will "embrace the Egyptian Democratic movement." Watch and see.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:04 AM
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48. I see this the same way you do. Exactly the same.
My money's on the people. That hope and change routine fooled the world once and it's not fooling it again, especially not the Arab Street that's lived with over 60 years of US duplicity.

I'd like to take this occasion to thank PFC Bradley Manning for his incredible courage that really got the Wikileak whisteblowing rolling, all the courageous people of conscience who turned in documents, the incredicle courage of the Tunisians and, most of all, the young man who started all this when he burned himself out of despair over unfair economic practices that prevented him from even selling a few fruits on the street corner to survive.


RIP Mohammed Bouazizi. Your name will never be forgotten.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:31 AM
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19. ~250,000 conservative number for crowd size
masryinusa #Egypt #Aljazeera #jan25

~250,000 are in Tahrir sq. These are very conservative numbers
less than 10 seconds ago via Power Twitter
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:38 AM
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24. Wow amazing amount of people in the square -
apparently Mubarak still holding on, huh
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:41 AM
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26. AJ: Helicopter flying over crowd had Presidential Seal on it. nt
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:44 AM
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28. Great leaders always fly over their subjects to show they care
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:12 AM
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60. I am glad you posted what was in my mind.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:09 PM
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139. .
:thumbsup:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:42 AM
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27. We were warned. The Egyptians were warned too.
Friday, January 28, 2011

"A source from within the Presidential Guard has claimed to my friends in Cairo that the army intends to end the protests on Sunday, by any means necessary even if it meant violence and bloodshed. Junta goons are causing chaos in Cairo to claim an unstable situation which will extend until Saturday. Then under the guise of bringing back order, they will "crush them with any amount of force needed!". The sources are unsure of the American role but believe the Americans will go with it."


http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/01/i-received-this-message-about-egypt.html
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:47 AM
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31. I keep seeing the Iran revolution in my mind.
We suddenly heard no more after a few days.

You just KNOW USA and Israel are trying to run this thing.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:58 AM
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45. Call for a "national salvation government"
The Muslim Brotherhood has called for a "national salvation government". This is very significant according to our Middle East editor Ian Black.


Sensational political developments in Cairo, with reports that five opposition movements, including the key Muslim Brotherhood, have mandated Mohammed ElBaradei to negotiate over the formation of a temporary "national salvation government."

Osama Ghazlai Harb of the National Democrsatic Front told BBC Arabic that this would be a transitional administration that would oversee the cancellation of the emergency laws and the release of all political prisoners.

The powerful Muslim Brotherhood, which has kept a low profile so far, said it was backing the demand along with other four groups.

It seems unlikely at this stage that the Mubarak government will agree to negotiate with to ElBaradei, but the publication of the demand adds a significant new element to Egypt's rapidly unfolding political crisis.



/... http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/30/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-33
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:04 AM
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49. Mohammed ElBaradei is planning to join the protest
Mohammed ElBaradei is planning to join the protest this afternoon, his wife just told the Guardian's Jack Shenker.

/... http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/30/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-36
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:24 PM
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132. How is Israel trying to run this thing?
That sounds a little paranoid.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:33 PM
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133. I was unclear. Let me try it again.
USA/Israel trying to manage outcome of this.

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:57 PM
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138. Hmmmm
Don't really see evidence of the US/Israel trying to manage the outcome here.

Looks like they are pretty much both on the sidelines.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:47 AM
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32. if that happens -- i guess we will see it.
if they do that -- i don't think it ends anything.

but it will do a lot to change the movement.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:20 AM
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66. Yep, This isn't over by a long shot. I wish it were n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:48 AM
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33. Shocking.
But not unexpected.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:48 AM
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34. How great would it be to have al jazeera on cable with KO on their anchor desk.
That would be awesome.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:49 AM
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36. AJ: Army leader has told the people they will not "go against
the people".
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:54 AM
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39. Who was that? The Chief of Staff met with Mubarak last night to go over details
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 09:54 AM by Catherina
Was it the Military Chief of Staff or the Army Chief of Staff who said that?


They don't dare lay a hand on the people now. The whole world saw that and despite their best efforts, they didn't succeed in shutting Al Jazeera down. It's on film for posterity now.

Personally, I didn't and still don't trust anyone in the military high command.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:56 AM
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42. I don't know. It was one of AJs reporters who said it. He
didn't specify any more than that.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:55 AM
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40. Military will not go against the people
#
AJELive‎ #Egypt army has just told the crowd gathering at Tahrir Square that military will not go against the people #Jan25 #aljazeera
Twitter - 2 minutes ago
#

annmcharles‎ RT @cshirky: Clinton calls for orderly transition to democracy ... Clear end of support for Mubarak #jan25 #Egypt
Clinton: Egypt must transition to democracy | Top AP Stories ...‎ - chron.com
Twitter - 2 minutes ago
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:57 AM
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43. AJ - Chants by the crowd in Alexandria for Mubarak to be hanged
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 09:57 AM by cbdo2007
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:04 AM
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51.  Speedy trial and then hang him. n/t
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 10:05 AM by Catherina
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:57 AM
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44. 'We might be witnessing a coup in action. Too early to say.'
lars_akerhaug Lars Akerhaug
We might be witnessing a coup in action. Too early to say.

http://twitter.com/#!/lars_akerhaug/status/31727492138016769
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 09:59 AM
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46. that would be interesting. nt
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:01 AM
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47. I found a time zone converter site.
You can plug in any 2 places in the world to see what time it is.

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_EG.aspx

5 pm in Cairo right now, I am at 9 am central.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:05 AM
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52. That's weird. I was just looking at that.lol. nt
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:05 AM
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53. Yep. Cairo is GMT+2 n/t
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:04 AM
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50. the fix is in.
Hillary calling for " open and fair" elections in egypt.
You know,like the ones we have had here.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:06 AM
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54. Actually, I think that was our administration admitting that
Muburak is toast.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:06 AM
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55. And freedom too I'll bet
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 10:07 AM by Catherina
You know, like the freedoms we gave to Iraq.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:08 AM
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57. +1
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:07 AM
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56. from the MoJo blog...
"Iraq has offered to evac its citizens living in Egypt"

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/01/whats-happening-egypt-explained


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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:09 AM
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58. some irony there. nt
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:14 PM
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127. Sure is!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:11 AM
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59. They Egyptians had a sad joke when all these evacuations were suddenly announced
they said they knew they were fucked when the US was arranging for Iraqis to be evacuated.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:17 AM
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64. owwwwww........very pointed.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:13 AM
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61. Gamal Mubarak is possibly still in #Egypt
Tweet from Jeremy scahill:
If true, ominous sign RT @kareemk Heard from a reliable source that Gamal Mubarak is possibly still in #Egypt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:16 AM
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63. hmmm -- i wonder what that would mean?
it seems there are only two choices at this point -- a severe and disastrous crackdown or mubarak and his family goes.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:26 AM
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70. I've read that Gamal Mubarak isn't popular with the military either
eg

US diplomats believe Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak would have a "tough time" persuading power brokers in the military to accept his son as his successor, according to leaked American embassy cables. The documents, released by the WikiLeaks website Tuesday, conclude that Mubarak's best chance would be to try to install his son and step down, rather than setting up a transition to take place after his demise.

One cable claims that Egypt's powerful intelligence chief, Omar Suleiman, "detests" the idea of Gamal as president.

http://www1.albawaba.com/main-headlines/us-cables-military-not-ready-accept-gamal-mubarak-successor


The Mubarak clique headed increasingly by Hosni’s son Gamal appears to have been routed. Gamal is blamed by many for this year’s rigged elections. Egyptians bitterly resent the assumption they hear from outsiders that he is the natural heir to his father.

Reports say Gamal and other Mubarak family members have fled the country. Nineteen private jets with members of the rich elite are reported to have taken off from the country overnight.

The demise of Gamal Mubarak and his friends will not be mourned by the military and intelligence agencies. They have long been unconvinced the Mubarak princeling has what it takes to run Egypt.

http://blogs.news.sky.com/middleeastblog/Post:2cd4c71d-e1ba-407f-be8a-a495739032e0


It seems to me his chances of taking over now are pretty much nil.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:31 AM
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74. i'm not surprised he isn't popular with the army.
now -- since the majority of the army is made up of conscripts -- i wonder how many of the army's highest ranking officers came up through the ranks?

my initial feeling would be few -- because up til now egypt has been hierarchical -- but maybe there are generals who come up through the ranks?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:50 AM
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87. Hi Murial..glad you are adding to this.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 10:50 AM by dixiegrrrrl
:hi:

spelling edit.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:15 AM
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62. Every single person on those streets put their life on the line.
I'm awed by their courage
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:19 AM
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65. When #Mubarak became president, Egypt's national debt totalled $15 billion today
When #Mubarak became president, Egypt's national debt totalled $15 billion, today it's $880 billion

#Egypt #Jan25 9 minutes ago via web

http://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/31730601073577984
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:28 AM
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72. Which explains reports that Egyptians are broke and hungry
and tired of it.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:23 AM
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67. These are very brave people. May they be protected.
I am nervous as to what is yet to come. I don't believe all of the military is loyal to Mubarak, but I think some still are. They have the potential to cause a lot of death and destruction.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:24 AM
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69. +1 n/t
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:24 AM
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68. To: America From: The Egyptian People. Stop Supporting Mubarak It's Over!"
full tweet:

People holding a sign - "To: America From: The Egyptian People. Stop Supporting Mubarak It's Over!"
from @Sharif Kouddous
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:31 AM
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73. Why is Alex the twit from ComcastM$NBC
showing the earlier video from Al Jazeera when the jets and helicopters were flying overhead and not telling people that this stopped some while ago.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:27 AM
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71. 'Peter Beaumont talks about possible preparations by the army to crackdown against the protesters.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/30/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-38

3.14pm: False rumours that Mubarak had fallen were greeted by hugs and cheering by protesters in Tahrir Square, Peter Beaumont reports from Tahrir square. In an audio interview he talks about possible preparations by the army to crackdown against the protesters. Water cannons have been moved in and tanks have been split into two columns, he says.

"The mood amongst the people, who were very positive towards the army, does seem to be changing. People are very very suspicious of the army now. They want to know why a squadron of Egypt's best tanks is sitting in the entrance to square," he said.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:32 AM
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76. Bit of levity on twitter -
krysilove‎ RT @argylestyle: A responsible Sarah Palin remains silent on Egypt as she should. After all, she can't see the pyramids from her front porch.
Twitter - seconds ago
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:44 AM
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82. I'm in no laughing mood but that was funny. Thanks. Smiled. n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:35 AM
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77. ***** Al Jazeera English: Live Stream *****
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:37 AM
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78. AJ: Evening call to prayer has started. nt
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:39 AM
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79. "a line of tanks coming up to the square"
are the protesters under-estimating the military????
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:40 AM
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80. Was that on AJ? I didn't hear it. nt
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:07 PM
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126. Yes. ( sorry for late reply)
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:42 AM
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81. Hillary blathering again, same line as yesterday.
"Mubarak important ally--national dialogue---peaceful, avoid violence. etc."
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:45 AM
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84. A tone deaf administration. How many different ways can the Egyptians say no? n/t
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 10:47 AM by Catherina
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:48 AM
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85. I know it seems like the same old line but they've added more today
It just all depends on who's showing what. They've very clearly said two new things today, "What happens in Egypt is up to the Egyptian people" and "The must be a peaceful transition of power." Without actually saying the words, they've told Mubarak it's time to step aside. I think as the day goes on, we'll hear cleared language on the situation. For example, as it gets later in the evening and the Army actually starts turning on the people, I think the US' words will become very forceful.

That said, I think the Obama admin would be using even more forceful language if there was a clear path to leadership to take over for Mubarak (and I believe that Soliman doesn't do it for us). I think the groups that are behind these demonstrations, who are calling for ElBaradei to head an interim government, are getting the exact same message.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:44 AM
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83. 'Atmosphere at Tahrir F**cking amazing'
dancefromiraq Louis B Lewarne
Atmosphere at Tahrir F**cking amazing via @Sarahcarr #jan25

http://twitter.com/#!/dancefromiraq/status/31739019763130369
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:49 AM
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86. 'Today, the tone of protesters hardens even further: demands of putting Mubarak on trial'
weddady weddady
by JacobPark
Today, the tone of protesters hardens even further: demands of putting Mubarak on trial #Jan25

http://twitter.com/#!/weddady/status/31736147247894528
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:53 AM
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88. I like the added links..very helpful.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:55 AM
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89. Tahir Square
http://twitter.com/#!/search/Tahrir%20Square


Sultan Al Qassemi
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
by BrtZtwitz
Al Arabiya breaking: @ElBaradei heading to Meydan Tahrir (Liberation Square), Cairo to address the crowds. Estimated at over 100,000.
4 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
»

Elamin Abdelmahmoud
elamin88 Elamin Abdelmahmoud
Welcome to the shitshow. People are going to celebrate. #Egypt RT @DougSaunders: RT @bbclysedoucet: el Baradei heading towards Tahrir square
4 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:57 AM
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90. HO !!!....Sudan police clash with protesters

Anti-government demonstrators in Khartoum faced riot police in protests inspired by those in Egypt and Tunisia.

http://english.aljazeera.net//news/africa/2011/01/2011130131451294670.html
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:58 AM
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91. Just telling my roommate, these folks need to stagger their revolutions
There isn't enough media to cover them all. :)
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:59 AM
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92. 'FOREIGN GOVTS STOP HYPOCRISY + STAND FOR EGYPTIAN FREEDOM'
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 10:59 AM by justiceischeap
NicRobertsonCNN Nic Robertson
Banner in crowd reads FOREIGN GOVTS STOP HYPOCRISY + STAND FOR EGYPTIAN FREEDOM #egypt #jan25 #mubarak

http://twitter.com/#!/NicRobertsonCNN/status/31742260576002048
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:01 AM
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94. speaking of hypocrisy:
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:51 PM
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137. Awesome cartoon! Thanks - n/t
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:01 AM
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93. 'crowds in Meydan Tahrir now to be 150,000.'
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
by JacobPark
BBC Arabic estimates crowds in Meydan Tahrir now to be 150,000. I hope @ElBaradei took giant speakers if he's heading there.

http://twitter.com/#!/SultanAlQassemi/status/31742042312810496
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:08 AM
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98. Curfew being ignored. Huge numbers standing their ground.
Such a beautifully powerful (and frightening) thing we are witnessing.

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:03 AM
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95. AJ via Reuters: Elbrardei on his way to Tahrir Square. nt
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:07 AM
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96. 'They are evacuating this hotel tomorrow morning'
DannyRamadan Danny -Ahmed Ramadan
By the help of a very amazing person, I'm back in the hotel for one last night. They are evacuating this hotel tomorrow morning. #jan25

http://twitter.com/#!/DannyRamadan/status/31744658547671041


Ahmed Ramadan
Reporter. Ahmed Ramadan is a Syrian journalist who has been working and living in Egypt since 2003. He has worked for a number of websites and entertainment magazines covering Arab and Western culture, lifestyle, and entertainment. Ahmed published his first collection of short stories in 2004 and his second collection in 2009. He is currently working on his first novel. He is also working toward a diploma in English Literature at at the University of London. Ahmed is passionate about fitness and has worked as a certified fitness instructor.
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/staff/ahmed-ramadan
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:07 AM
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97. AJ: Crowd chanting National Anthem and "Egypt". nt
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:08 AM
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99. El Baredei arrival in Tahrir Square imminent...
Al Jazeera reporting the opposition to Mubarak will accept El Baredei as their leader and interim president.
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:09 AM
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100. What happens next?
I see three scenarios...

#1 Mubarak doesn't go anywhere and Egypt descends into an extended period of unrest. The Army refuses to arrest Mubarak and refuses to engage the crowd.

#2 Mubarak steps down and anoints either the Gamal or Suleiman as President. The protests continue and the standoff goes on indefinitely.

#3 Mubarak steps down or is arrested by the Army. ElBaradei assumes a leadership position for a transitional government.

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:11 AM
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101. AJ: Elbaradei will enter Square with his father. nt
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:12 AM
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102. AJ: In Alexandria "thousands of people in the streets". nt
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:16 AM
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105. "Majority of the signs are in English"..
The woman being interviewed just now made that comment. She said it's a message for U.S.(?) to support the people.

I find it disgusting that we do not express strong support for The People but prefer to fence straddle.

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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:15 AM
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103. 'No Comment!! Republicans divided on Egypt'
ShereefAbbas عباس
No Comment!! RT @HuffingtonPost: Republicans divided on Egypt http://huff.to/gVkSQJ

http://twitter.com/#!/ShereefAbbas/status/31746653555785729
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:16 AM
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104. Goodnight everyone. Thank you for all the threads and all the information
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:16 AM by Catherina
:hi:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:25 AM
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108. Night?
Guess you are not in US, then.

I miss your input. Pls. come back soon as you can.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:18 AM
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106. 'Heard in Cairo: "It's game over for Mubarak...'
bencnn benwedeman
Heard in Cairo: "It's game over for Mubarak. He can't pretend to enjoy a fraction of support from the people. The end is very near." #Egypt

http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn/status/31747250929532928

Wonder if this was from demonstrators or an "inside" source.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:19 AM
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107. AJ: Military allowing protesters to remain. nt
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:25 AM
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109. Mohamed ElBaradei joins protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/spotlight/anger-in-egypt/

breaking news: Mohamed ElBaradei joins protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:27 AM
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110. AJ says he will make some sort of announcement soon.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:27 AM
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111. AJ: Elbaradei will make speech appealing to the military to
take a stance.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:27 AM
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112. The latest I heard on AJ about those tanks heading toward the square
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:31 AM by robdogbucky
was that they were turned back by the crowd.

Yeah!

Live square shots on now, no tanks, no soldiers, only an ever-increasing crowd defying the curfew for the 3rd straight night.

Currently AJ is interviewing a reporter from another city under siege there. Lack of infrastructure supply after 6 days of unrest is starting to put a strain on the conditions on both sides, the people and what is left of the government. No firemen, no food deliveries, running out of fuel. People are being worried about further breakdowns.

All that being said, none of them want Mubarek to stay. Stress fatigue is beginning to set in.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:30 AM
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114. 'Egypt was approaching state of revolt. It's well beyond that now. Already feels post-Mubarak'
bencnn benwedeman
Couple day ago tweeted #Egypt was approaching state of revolt. It's well beyond that now. Already feels post-Mubarak #Jan25

http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn/status/31750425635979264
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:35 AM
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115. Link to compilation of protests all over the world, for Egypt!!!!
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:49 AM
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117. I found that site somehow and follow it on Facebook -
it has interesting stories.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:50 AM
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119. Another one of my favorite news sources:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:15 PM
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128. Thank you!
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:39 AM
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116. 'Egyptian Woman frm Tahrir Square said:'
Wa7damasrya Shahinaz Abdel Salam
Egyptian Woman frm Tahrir Square said:opposition movements were trying to wake us up since 2005 and today we wake up #jan25 #egypt

http://twitter.com/#!/Wa7damasrya/status/31751936126492672
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:50 AM
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118. What if people in every country send email to the Egyptian embassies saying:
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:52 AM by dixiegrrrrl
The whole world is watching!
NO violence to the Egyptian protesters.
We are watching.

If you know someone in another country who could organize that for the embassy there......

and here.....in USA..

whadda think?

Wash DC address:

EMBASSY OF THE ARAB REPUBLIC OF EGYPT

CHANCERY

3521 International Ct. Nw Washington DC 20008

TEL: 202.895.5400

FAX: 202.244.4319

202.244.5131

Email:Embassy@egyptembassy.net
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:53 AM
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120. don't know if this is relevant for this thread
but cell service seems to be back up for some of the more rural parts of the country - just heard from my sister in Abydos, first time in 4 days. The locals seem to be concerned but the "politics" are more mixed - some are fine with TPTB and others want change. She was in a public courtyard so couldn't speak to plainly, but that is one perspective from outside of the big city.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:55 AM
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122. Thanks for the info... maybe create a post for these sentiments n/t
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:00 PM
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125. Just did, here:
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:54 AM
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121. Norwegian media reports El Baradei is in Tahir Square right now n/t
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:56 AM
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123. AJ: Elbaradei speaking "what we have begun cannot be turned
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:58 AM by sufrommich
back".
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:57 AM
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124. 'an 8-year-old is carrying the demands on the people of Egypt'
DannyRamadan Danny -Ahmed Ramadan
an 8-year-old is carrying the demands on the people of Egypt. #jan25 http://twitpic.com/3uwnwh

http://twitter.com/#!/DannyRamadan/status/31757117341831168

I wish the sign were translated. Any arabic speakers on DU?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:17 PM
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129. AJ: More women and children joining protesters in Alexandria. nt
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:19 PM
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130. 'The Muslim Brotherhood is an issue in the future, not now.'
arabist arabist
All these people on TV seem to talk non-stop about the Muslim Brothers. They are wrong. The MB is an issue in the future, not now.

http://twitter.com/#!/arabist/status/31762923219062784
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:23 PM
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131. "High unemployment, rising food prices and widespread corruption" = Egypt protests.
How much worse does it have to get here in USA, I wonder?


"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:35 PM
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134. "People saying Baradei fainted or something and went home"
Full tweet from Jeremy Scahill:

Whoa RT @sharifkouddous People saying Baradei fainted or something and went home. People standing up and leaving disappointed. #Egypt
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 12:36 PM
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135. They just showed him speaking on AJE (eom)
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136. New thread link
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