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Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:42 PM
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Poll question: Ron Paul is asking Progressives to follow him
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:43 PM
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1. No thank you (nt)
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:44 PM
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2. Oh, hell no.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:44 PM
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3. Ron Paul can go fuck himself.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:08 PM
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25. +1 n/t
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:08 PM
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48. +1. In the ear. With a big rubber dick.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:45 PM
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4. He's marginally better than the rest of the rank and file repukes...
...but he's still a repuke in all the ways that count.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:04 PM
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20. Didn't him and Ralph Nader just have a "Cozy" Interview together
In total agreement point after point
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:45 PM
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5. He makes the occasional good point...
Like on the Patriot Act and Wikileaks...but it's nothing more than where libertarians and progressives typically agree anyway.

But hell no, definitely not better than Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:47 PM
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6. Follow him
to that place where lunacy is spawned?

The question is why Ron Paul believes this is a valid request (and that any progressive would take him seriously)?

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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:48 PM
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7. He's against choice, marriage equality, and public assistance for the poor. That would be a NO.
Just because he's occasionally on the correct side of an issue doesn't mean that he'd be a good guy to put in charge of anything.

:puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:06 PM
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23. Seriously.
He's against just about everything I've worked for my entire adult life. :puke:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:48 PM
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8. No thanks - I like having roads to drive on, schools to send my children to, and doctors that are
willing to see my special needs child who receives medicaid.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:49 PM
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9. Why?
I'm guessing he's senile, too.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:49 PM
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10. We could definitely do worse for a Republican presidential nominee.
I'd rather see a quasi-libertarian like Paul win the Republican nomination than a neo-con or social conservative.

Not that I'd vote for him in the general, but it would be good to know we're not totally screwed if the Democrat loses.

At the very least we might end these bullshit foreign wars and end modern prohibition, Reagan's war on drugs. Maybe renegotiate our "free" trade agreements while we're at it.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:59 PM
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17. You mean, we could get stuck with an electable Republican
Ron Paul is against the wars and squishy on drugs; no Republican would vote for him for president--and I think a teabagger could primary him and take his current seat.

But since he's an anti-abortion Libertarian, no sane Democrat would vote for him.

Basically, he's screwed all around.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:06 PM
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21. Yep.
But in a 5-way Republican primary, I could see enough of his die-hard followers carrying him to narrow victory in early races, so I wouldn't rule anything out.

I don't understand why he's so anti-abortion, with as much as he stresses personal liberty, because most Libertarians are pro-choice.

Guess that's probably why he still identifies as "Republican", and doesn't run as an independent.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:50 PM
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11. He would ban abortion, and that alone is enough reason for me to never vote for him
Not for anything.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:50 PM
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12. Progressives aren't racist, sexist homophobes.
So, good luck with that, misogynist OB/GYN.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:52 PM
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13. even a stopped standard clock is right 2X a day lol nt
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:56 PM
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14. I think he means only white Progressives
He is a racist.....and cares not for folks like me.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:56 PM
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15. NO. But we could work with him,. End the wars and stop the war gluttons.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:58 PM
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16. Bwaaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaaa! Good try. Give him an A for balls.
:rofl:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:02 PM
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18. He's a fucking Republican. If he wants to be so 'independent,' he should quit the GOP. nt
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 10:03 PM by onehandle
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:04 PM
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19. I would follow him out of a burning building if I had no other choice.
But thats about it.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:06 PM
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Is there a quote? Follow him where? In an election against Obama? Or is this a reference
to his idea that progressives in the Congress should work with him on a handful of issues they agree on--the War and auditing the Fed--that has been taken out of context on DU?

I can't vote in this poll I don't know what's being asked.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:06 PM
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22. No thanks Mr. Paul
eom.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:06 PM
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24. Silly poll. n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:09 PM
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26. he's a fascist.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:10 PM
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27. I'm not a follower. If he wants to open a dialogue w/ progressives, I could go along with that.
However, there's absolutely NO WAY I will give in on a woman's right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:12 PM
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28. Nor a state's right to terminate an unwanted governor.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:32 PM
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Ya know, I've been thinking some on this "state's rights" thing.
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 10:34 PM by scarletwoman
Wondering if it might be something that we could use to our advantage if we really starting pushing it.

I realize that there's plenty of inherent danger, yet at the same time, it seems like it could have some possibilities for some important good.

Pushing for a "state's rights" stance would have to be done very carefully and very intelligently -- and if so, I'm inclined to think that it could yield some positive outcomes.

It would involve a sophisticated degree of monkey-wrenching -- using the System to destroy the System.

A state's right to charter a corporation comes to mind...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:38 PM
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44. Keep thinking like that. You may be onto something.
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Countdown_3_2_1 Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:15 PM
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29. WARNING! Ron Paul is an Evil man.
Take a look at his main forum, it's a personality cult.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forum.php
Poke around and take a look at the utter intolerance for any viewpoint outside of his.

Look at the international forums and its 100% anti-Semitic hate.
And that no fluke, Ron Paul counts Stormfront racists among his followers. When confronted that he has hate groups funding his campaign, Paul just fluffed it off, and never returned the money.

Paul is not conservative, he is not progressive. He is a libertarian to a fault, a tyrant's fault.

His followers are thugs. We laughed when they called Shrub's people War Criminals. But thats not all they did. They intimidated other delegates in order to make them leave before they could vote in the straw poll. Paul's minions are serious brown-shirts.

Straw polls are fund raisers. You buy the votes. So Paul uses campaign cash to send his followers to every straw poll to pull a false impression that Paul is popular.

Paul has 20 years of racist statements in his newsletters. 20 years worth.

To give you an idea how toxic Paul is, the GOP refused to let him speak at the last convention. That is unheard of for a primary candidate.

Don't even play with the idea of cooperating with a narcissist like Paul. He will stab you in the back every time. His minions seriously worship him, that's how devoted these retards are.

The most foolish thing the GOP ever did was give this man power...and now he's going to oversee the FED?

Bottom line: you may find something in common with his anti-war stance, BUT DO NOT MAKE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL!
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Kucinich Feingold Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:06 PM
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47. BUT HE LOVES OUR FOUNDING FATHERS AND HATES WAR
:puke: :puke: I don't get the love for this guy, besides that he's honest.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:16 PM
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30. No thanks. This female queer pro-immigrant economic lefty passes. Anti-war is not enough.
Not nearly enough.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:18 PM
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31. Hell no, but that's just me. I'm a progressive.
rp appeals to other people because he sincerely believes in his platform.

He's the real deal of real crazy. And very dangerous should he ever gain power.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:23 PM
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32. Libertarians and Liberals have a few things in common...
but the things we disagree on are too wide to support one.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:25 PM
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33. oh hell no
he can go fuck himself. And same goes to his crazy son.
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Toon Me Out Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:27 PM
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34. Look--he can haz followerz
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:28 PM
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35. I'd say no just because of those little turds.
They're quite insufferable.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:31 PM
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36. He is only anti-war because he is in favor of very limited government -
the austerity will be just as bad with him. I'm not saying to support Mr. Obama (clearly most will realize I will say anything but that at this point), but look to someone progressive. Ron Paul is not a friend to workers.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:04 PM
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41. Well that the thing isn't it TBF? As we agreed .............
in another thread, it's easy to support libertarian positions RE: PERSONAL freedoms, but Paul's version of economics is 180 degrees away from what I believe. When it comes to economics, the greatest good for the greatest number HAS to be paramount. Otherwise, it's worse than the near slavery we have now.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:32 PM
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37. He says he's against the big corporations, but his ideas and policies, if implemented,
would be quite possibly the biggest boondoggle of all time.

Zero regulation. It would be a dream for Big Business.

I'll pass on Mr. Paul.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:42 PM
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38. Ron, fuck you and your evil spawn Randy
respectfully, rurallib
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:44 PM
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39. Are these the responses you expected, Monique? (n/t)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 10:48 PM
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40. I've jumped on the bandwagon
:rofl:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:07 PM
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42. Hell. Fucking. No. is waaaaay too mild... nt
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:13 PM
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43. WTF?
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 11:14 PM by Doremus
He's either high, senile or delusional. Maybe all 3?
Either way, I'm shaking my head in disbelief.

I would only follow Ron Paul long enough for him to hear me give him the raspberries.



ETA: THANK YOU to my secret admirer! I have Valentine heart now! :) :)
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:40 PM
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45. He's reactionary on most issues.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:59 PM
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46. A more conservative-leaning site I know of
refers to his followers as "Paultards." A rather accurate description of both the man and his followers, if ya ask me.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:21 PM
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49. I would never support ANYONE who opposes all social safety-nets, even of the limited nature that
America has.

He's against the war. Good. So are the BNP - and frankly Paul is probably to the economic right of the BNP. Far-right xenophobic doctrinaire anti-welfare types are not progressive, even if they are against a couple of the right things.

Paul is progressive - compared to his son! In any other context, he's as disgustingly reactionary as they come.
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