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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:34 PM
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@PJCrowley, You are a coward. #SecClinton, You are a coward. @BarackObama this is your Rwanda
That subject line is a slight condensation of this tweet from Amine, @AfriNomad, the Moroccan blogger who's a cofounder of DigiActive:

AfriNomad Amine
Dear @PJCrowley, You are a coward. Dear #SecClinton, You are a coward. @BarackObama this is your Rwanda moment #Feb17 #Libya
23 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


Later tweet from him, replying to someone who asked if he wanted the US to send troops to Libya:

AfriNomad Amine
@
@Vinay_Orekondy of course not, strong verbal indignation could be a start, then NATO-enforced Libya no-fly zone to stop bombing of civilians
13 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


I don't know how long it would take to get jets there to enforce a no-fly zone, but that's one of the best ideas I've seen yet.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:36 PM
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1. Each genocide brings a "Never Again!", but little is done when the next one happens-
"national sovereignty" you know - then we say "Never Again!" again. :(
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:42 PM
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2. When governments say "never again," they mean "how can we keep people from finding out, next time?"
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 03:43 PM by villager
n/t
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:50 PM
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3. What's going on in Libya is horrible, but NOT a genocide.
Moreover, I've had enough "humanitarian interventions" by the US military.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:04 PM
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4. nevermind.
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 04:05 PM by Pirate Smile
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:05 PM
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5. I've been away from the news. Is Libya dropping bombs?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:12 PM
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7. Read Catherina's topics today. The Libyan AF is being used against its people.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:13 PM
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8. Yes, Lybian warplanes are currently bombing Musarata n/t
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:15 PM
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10. Are they firing or bombing? nt
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:28 PM
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13. Both, according to some reports.
Also firing from Libyan warships into Tripoli.

Please read Catherina's topics to find out what's going on.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:12 PM
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6. I don't know what firing to kill unarmed protestors is called then?
if not genocide? Just plain homicide, eh?

Anyway, back to the question in the original post, I just heard a Lybian dissident leader inteviewed on AJE live stream from London that the only thing that keeps the Lybian regime in power is oil money. He strongly advised that oil money being cut off would be the most effective way to hit the regime. Of course he was amused when told the "statements," from world governments strongly condemned the regime's violence, and offered it was useless with this regime.

The best we can hope for I think right now is continued movement by the population in Lybia taking over the country town by town, all across the country. Already there are a half dozen Lybian diplomats that are denouncing the regime and call for his ouster immediately. They called his son's condemnation of Egypt and other outside forces from fomenting unrest in Lybia laughable and a clear sign of the desperation inside the regime currently.

Another town, Musarata, is now being attacked by Lybian aircraft. Lybian doctors' association head being interviewed now from London on AJE, denouncing the regime's use of illegal weapons against their fellow countrymen. The doctors in Benghazi say the people killed have had been hit with expanding munitions that expand within the body when hit. Almost any single wound is fatal, etc. The mercenaries killing the protestors are also using anti-aircraft guns on the crowds. He has heard the death toll thus far is hard to quantify, but over 5 straight days the doctors have been treating dying protestors, 10-30 bodies come in at a time. They have been running out of critical drugs and medicine to treat the survivors. Unreal.

I don't even want to try and use one of the multiple spellings of the regime leader's name, as it seems to change over time.

Kaddafi

Qaddafi

Ghaddafi


The Revolution will not be televised but it will be on Twitter.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:14 PM
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9. mass murder
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:32 PM
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15. We tried cutting off their money in the 80's and 90's, Qaddafi still held on to power
We've also tried it with Iran, Cuba, Iraq, and North Korea to no avail.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:17 PM
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11. thats actually a stupid idea
a NATO no fly zone over Libya? What happens next when Qaddafi continues to kill? Send troops?

Things are so easy from behind a computer.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:28 PM
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14. It's not an all in or all out proposition
Many argue that the Allies could have saved a lot of victims from the Nazis if they had simply bombed the train tracks leading to Auschwitz. Certainly that wouldn't have stopped the killing, but some people might have lived that otherwise would not have. If we start shooting down Qaddafi's planes, Quaddafi will still probably kill people. But he will probably be able to kill less of them, since we will have taken a very effective tool from him.

Just because we likely can't stop the killing completely without invading (and I agree that invading is a shitty idea), doesn't mean that we shouldn't consider other ideas to lessen the killing.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:26 PM
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12. Situation will likely be over with before they are even able to get the NATO nations
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 04:27 PM by guruoo
to consider it.
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