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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:21 AM Original message |
Being Poor - a wrenching piece that details what it truly means |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you so much. Sharing as well. K&R n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
2. The author has no clue what it's like to live in real poverty |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Why stop there? I mean even if they got it off freecycle, that means they had access to a COMPUTER! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. My dad enlisted in the Navy at age 15 |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. My dad enlisted in the Marines at 12 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. My dad and his siblings had to walk six miles in the rain to school every day, except when it was... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. yup |
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redwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. You da man! |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
68. Hahaha! |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
53. So there's the solution - enlist the kids. Make the lazy brats contribute!! (nt) |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. what if it's an old black & white TV they got for $5 from the Salvation Army store? |
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CrownPrinceBandar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Or the hand-me-down they got from relatives........ |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Even the most lowly TV is useless if you don't have electricity |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. OMG Too much! |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Because we pretend the homeless and poor don't exist silly, else it would be a bi-partisan plan |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. welcome to ignore. nt |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I'm waiting for the walked 20 miles barefoot... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Up hill both ways. LOL |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
48. Then probably across a raging river |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
70. alerting would be a good idea, Thhis is sheer hate speech, belonging on FR. |
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Lifelong Protester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-23-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #70 |
96. Hey!! You're back! All right! |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-23-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
98. That's what we had now and again. I didn't know that most of the Wizard of Oz was in color |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Oh please you can get CRT tube type TVs all day long for free |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. But there are no more broadcast stations in most of the country any more |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. that's funny, I do it with a converter and digital antenna. I must be special |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I'm doubly special. |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Depends on where you live |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. Not in 2005 when the piece was written. Also - do they need without |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
74. The Gov't gave away vouchers for digital converters |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Oh! Owning a rifle! I see we have a fancy lad! |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. LOL |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. AND ammunition! |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
63. Yeah, what's wrong with pouncing on squirrels and biting their heads off? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. When I was a kid we were so weary from starvation that we sat by the road and waited for a car to... |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Where'd they get the money for the ammo? You can't get that at Goodwill. Just because it |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. I wished I could un-rec this post for having no empathy |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. I and my family have tremendous empathy for poor people, but no tolerance for "poor-mouthing". |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Just shut up and die or rob a store , is that what you propose? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Invent something, get a job, go to school, or join the military |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I don't know, my lymphoma and age preclude getting a Job (can't pass a physical) |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. You're right - recessions are caused by widespread, spontaneous outbreaks of laziness and whining. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. You really don't have a clue, do you? |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. And being poor, it's difficult if not impossible |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Doesn't leave much time or energy for anything else, does it? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. *INVENT* something? How out of touch can one get? nt |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. US Military is just hankering to sign up middle aged people |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
75. And thus he jumped the sharked. |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Because if you don't have something nice to say about being poor, you should be silent? (nt) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-23-11 03:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
100. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. that's an absurd claim. |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Exactly what I was thinking. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
60. Cotton and burlap? That's all fancy-like |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. "Anyone who owns a TV is not truly poor"... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Or a car. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Or a rifle. n/t |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
55. Over broken glass, and he was GRATEFUL, right? No whining!!(nt) |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
78. You could have a car that was paid off when times were better |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Someone was talking about people having cel phones at the food bank. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Well, see, we don't want the hoi polloi taking part... |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
61. According to slackmaster |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Would you like some cheese with that whine? (nt) |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
51. Tthe bankrupt American dream lives on |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. If only we could unrec moronic individual posts like yours |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
66. So, only starvation level subsistence constitutes "real poverty"? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
73. I imagine many people believe they... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
94. Oh yeah! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-23-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
97. being poor does not preclude having a TV |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. Get rid of the TV. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yes that is the beginning and then you get where I am |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. Thank you for sharing the pain that you are living with. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. K&R |
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Jankyn (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R ... n/t |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
39. k&r |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
45. i am not dumpster diving, i am not homeless, i do not live in a tent in haiti, |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
82. Me either |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
49. 30 Days- Minimum Wage |
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nolabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. I was going to mention "Nickled and Dimed". DOG work, and nothing to show but brute survival. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. The constant and iimportant lesson from Nickel and Dimed is the HUGE need for more low-income |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Right about the housing issue... We have plenty of housing in America |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. So, what would it take to build a fire to GET it "addressed"? |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. You're right |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Thank you! So, how can we come together to change that? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Not just disenfranchised-- hell, brainwashed |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. They have to exist first... in a universe where postive thinking works |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I realize you are trying to be funny. When you are walking in my shoes, I think |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Not making myself clear- the postive thinking movement |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I understood exactly what you were saying, and it was belittling the real need for housing. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Nothing funny about it at all... just pointing out why even the left |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. And that includes Bernie Sanders, and why I have stopped his emails. |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. I HATE that positive-thinking, everthing-is-okay BS |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Its just a pacifier for the masses. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Exactly, don't see Ehrenreich as whining... or Spurlock for that matter... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
79. Ehrenreich was scathing in her summation of this country's treatment of poor working people! |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Poverty comes any many forms... we shouldn't forget that |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. The worst poverty of all is the lack of compassion. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Read Kevin Drum's article on WI in Mother Jones |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-22-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Yes, it is a lot of selfishness, and it shows in Michigan. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-23-11 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
99. For perspective (don't kill me): |
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