If the admin tries to stay out of the pro-worker's movement, can Dems POSSIBLY win in 2012?

[Ken Burch]

Finally, there is a MASSIVE popular movement defending progressive, pro-worker, pro-human and pro-democratic values in this country.

And the administration doesn't seem to notice, or care.

It's STILL obsessed with the finicky, tightwad "independents"-the ones that don't exist anymore and would now be certain to vote GOP in '12 no matter what the administration does AND no matter how many times it caves in to the right.

Clearly, there isn't a center in this country anymore. It's pointless to even try to find one.

Equally clearly, "stopping the right", by itself, means nothing...especially since they never actually STOP and since stopping them by doing large chunks of what they want isn't actually stopping them at all(the second Clinton term, which was almost exactly like what a first Dole term would have been like, proves this).

We have to ask...

Can we be sure this administration actually WANTS a second term? If so, does it want to be able to do ANYTHING non-Republican with that term?

And can it possible get a second term if it holds to its obsession with trying to find an "above politics" position that simply doesn't exist?

Why is President Obama fighting against both history and reality?

And, if he keeps doing so, is there ANY good reason to renominate him?

[Taverner]

1. If unions are dropped by the Dems

Then honestly, we really do need to find a new party

[muntrv]

2. Obama isn't completely out of the pro-worker's movement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x610295

[markpkessinger]

3. Democrats, nationally, are more and more fading into irrelevance...

...and that process will only accelerate the longer they stay out of this fight.

[notesdev]

4. Dems can't win in 2012 no matter what

We have yet to even confront the reasons why we lost 2010 so badly, never mind having gotten around to make the changes necessary so that doesn't happen again. Apparently it's going to take another massive loss in 2012 to get people to be serious.

[Moondog]

6. + 1

[Davis_X_Machina]

5. UK Labour went down this rat-hole and may never come back up.

They conflated the leadership with the parliamentary party, the parliamentary party with the unions, the unions with the workers, and the workers with the people.

And now Labour is out of power.

[Ken Burch]

9. New Labour was almost completely alienated from the unions when it lost in 2010.

The lesson of the UK is NOT that the Democrats should keep their distance from the labor movement.

[Davis_X_Machina]

10. The lesson is the labor movement should keep its distance...

...from the Democratic party. They're not the same. Obama doesn't head the AFL-CIO. Pin your future on elected officials, and they go down, you go down.

[Ken Burch]

11. OK, fair enough.

But it's still necessary to push those officials to do what's right...especially when they SAID they'd put on their "comfortable shoes" and do it(or at least say which side they're on).

[Tx4obama]

7. President Obama IS pro-union, look on the link below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x610295

[obxhead]

12. All while working to break teacher unions.

His actions speak far louder than the few words he drops on this subject.

[annabanana]

8. This worker awakening is the real deal. It's what the tea party pretended to be.

In fact, there are probably a bunch of people who got caught up in the, um, pageantry of the Tea Party and on further reflection (and by virtue of awakened curiosity), have joined the ranks..

Except with real plumbers this time...