BREAKING radiation nine times higher in west tokyo

[nadinbrzezinski]

per reuters

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2

[PoliticAverse]

1. Claimed live Tokyo geiger counter feed...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/geiger-counter-tokyo

[Poll_Blind]

6. That feed's counter is from a kit and the owner said the numbers got wonky with too much uptime.

His description has changed but 100% that is the case. If that's the counter it is unreliable and was indicated so by the owner and feeder of the stream last night.

PB

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. PB I don't think, could not be sure, that this is from that feed

it is being reported by Reuters, though Kyodo, it is sourced.

[Poll_Blind]

17. I know- but the person seemed to indicate that was the ffed and if it is it's not reliable.

The device at this feed is unreliable:


But I hear you Nadin, I doubt Routers would base it off that.

PB

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. NHK just reported cesium in Tokyo

[Hannah Bell]

34. could you please link your updates, nadin?

because i'm watching live reporting of radiation levels in tokyo & i'm not hearing that.

[Hannah Bell]

22. please link us to the direct reuters link instead of a link to earthquake watchers

that includes random comments from the public

[onehandle]

8. Ok, I see numbers. What's the baseline measurement? nt

[Poll_Blind]

19. 12-20, I've been watching it since yesterday, off and on. But when it's been on to long...

...it'll spike. I haven't seen this behavior myself but yesterday in the (more) comments of the description the operator said it was from a kit and if it had been up to long it got wonky, with numbers spiking.

As you can see, it appears to have been up for about 20-ish minutes so far. It will likely be "rebooted" with some frequency.

PB

[Hannah Bell]

23. could you please link directly to whatever you're talking about as the link in the op

links to a stream of comments

[Poll_Blind]

28. It is the one linked in response #1 BUT we do not know that this is the source of the REUTERS...

...report and, in fact, I doubt it. However, if the source of the REUTERS report is the livestream linked in response #1, that device is known to be unreliable as per comments in the description of the stream by the owner last night.

PB

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. NHK just reported cesium in tokyo

live, on the air

[Hannah Bell]

39. i'm listening & didn't hear it.

[PoliticAverse]

33. I certainly don't believe Reuters used this geiger counter as their source

And I didn't mean to imply that they did so.

[Poll_Blind]

35. No biggie- things are moving pretty quickly. Just in the case of this particular counter...

...I happened to know about that quirk and I wanted to make sure that if, by some crazy change, the REUTERS report was based off of it- that it was likely to be inaccurate.

PB

[PoliticAverse]

37. Yeah I thought your comments were useful, as I don't know much about this counter. Thanks.

[PoliticAverse]

56. Link to Reuters article...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/japan-quake-level-idUSTKB00735620110315

(Reuters) - Radiation levels in Kanagawa prefecture, west of Tokyo, were up to nine times the normal level briefly on Tuesday, Kyodo news agency said, quoting the prefecture government.

[Hannah Bell]

40. do you have a link to the reuters article? the link in the op doesn;t go to one.

[Hannah Bell]

38. when i go to that link i get a feed of comments mixed with links for news articles.

i couldn't find the material supposedly referenced because the feed has moved on since the post.

[Cetacea]

2. oh no.

Can't say I'm surprised though. Thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Well this is a very fluid, no pun, situation

[Cetacea]

7. ...

Your updates are tremendously appreciated, especially during periods when the major nooz people aren't live.

[dave29]

3. briefly nine times higher west of Tokyo

not an apologist, just pointing out the actual text.

[flamingdem]

5. This backs the idea that the total truth might not be known

since it took some time for that to travel 200 miles it wasn't from No. 4 ... so it is probably the leak in No. 2 ..

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. That is what I am thinking

weather models and all that....

I am going to say that a few (thousands) will try to flee Tokyo now. We will be entering panic territory soon

[originalpckelly]

12. Those fucking liars.

[femrap]

11. ....

say buh-bye. :hi:

[Tsiyu]

18. so long and

thanks for the fish :hi:

[femrap]

13. ...

say buh-bye. :hi:

[Hannah Bell]

14. higher than what, nadin? what does it mean, nadin?

[originalpckelly]

15. Probably than normal background for that area.

That's a guess, but I think it's implied.

[Hannah Bell]

21. did you see where the link went?

[kestrel91316]

20. Wonderful example of typing managing to sound shrill......

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. I read earlier the winds were two to three metres (7 to 10 ft) per second from the plant

heading straight toward Tokyo.

[Statistical]

24. To put it into perspective. Normal is 2.4mSv per year (0.000274 mSv an hour).

So 9 times that would be 0.0025mSv an hour. A single CT scan is about 45mSv

Chernobyl at the other extreme registered 300,000 mSv per hour at the exposed core.

[reorg]

52. interesting

I have read different numbers:

"Examination Typical effective dose (mSv)
X-ray Personnel security screening scan 0.00025 0.025<19>
Chest X-ray 0.1
Head CT 1.5
Screening mammography 3
Abdomen CT 5.3
Chest CT 5.8
CT colonography (virtual colonoscopy) 3.6–8.8
Chest, abdomen and pelvis CT 9.9
Cardiac CT angiogram 6.7-13
Barium enema 15
Neonatal abdominal CT 20

For purposes of comparison, the average background exposure in the UK is 1-3 mSv per year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_computed_tomography


I don't know about Tokyo, but about halfway in between the Fukushima plant and Tokyo:

"Radiation exceeds limits at Ibaraki facility

A University of Tokyo facility in Ibaraki Prefecture, north of Tokyo, has reported radiation levels higher than legal standards.

The facility alerted the central government on Tuesday after it registered 5 microsieverts per hour before 8:00 AM and the radiation level continued to exceed the yardstick figure designated by a law for 10 straight minutes.

The facility is located in Tokai village, about 110 kilometers south of the Fukushima No.1 nuclear power plant.

The facility says the radiation level later fell to 3 microsieverts per hour. It says normally the reading is at around 0.05 microsieverts per hour."

Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:43 +0900 (JST)"

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/15_21.html

So, within two hours or so everybody around that facility and perhaps the entire region was fried as if they had undergone a chest CT. From what I've heard, you are not advised to undergo such procedures very often ...

[Statistical]

59. Your mixing up micro and milli. 1000 microS = 1 milliS.

So

"The facility alerted the central government on Tuesday after it registered 5 microsieverts per hour before 8:00 AM and the radiation level continued to exceed the yardstick figure designated by a law for 10 straight minutes. The facility is located in Tokai village, about 110 kilometers south of the Fukushima No.1 nuclear power plant. The facility says the radiation level later fell to 3 microsieverts per hour."

A CT is roughly 50 mSv or 50,000 microSivert (uSV). So 1,000 hours at the higher reading and 1,600 hours at the lower reading would be equal to a CT scan.

If it remained an average of 4 uSv for an entire day that would be 0.1mSv (or 1/500th of a CT scan).

[reorg]

66. oh shit

This has happened for the second time today.

So, at yesterday's level it would take the people in the region two or three months (I think I need to get my calculator) to receive the same amount of radiation as per one CT scan (according to the Wiki numbers as opposed to yours).

Hopefully, the radiation level stays that low, in the Fukushima plant it apparently rose by a factor of around 500.

[Statistical]

68. No prob the whole SI prefix things gets everyone at least once or twice.

Yeah the workers inside the plant are being exposed to much more. How much more we don't know but 100mSv is the point where the doeses start to get "real" +100mS and you see long term cancer rates start to rise. The workers likely at best have already picked up 100-500mSv maybe much more.

[Saboburns]

25. Bullshit

Radiation levels are no where near 9 times higher than normal in Tokyo.

Stop posting bogus bullshit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. try to keep up lovely sabobourns

the bullshit now includes cesium per NHK, are you telling me NHK is full of it too?

Open your mind to the fact that we have a MAJOR incident... a L-7, just a matter of becoming official.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. NHK reported cesium in Tokyo just now

so there...

Oh and they are also reporting elevated levels all over the towns and cities near Fukushima 1

[roamer65]

29. Well beyond Three Mile Island now.

Well beyond, nadin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. I know, I know... and some people are still putting head in sand

[Saboburns]

36. But not 9 times higher than normal.

You're needlessly freaking people out. And you continue to post untruths.

[Hannah Bell]

42. thank you. i'm having great difficulty tracking down the sources for some of those

posts. and some contradict what i am hearing listening to nhk & yokosonews.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. So you are telling me that Reuters is lying?

Or for that matter Kyodo News?

Or for that matter NHK?

Okay, so should I rely on YOU?

[Rex]

46. What do you think?

:P

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. I guess I should reach for those rose colored glasses

:-)


I must say Time\Distance theory was good by NHK

100 Milliseverts detected outside plant 4... (10 rads)

I guess I misheard Nagano

Some of these people amaze me

[Hannah Bell]

49. i have been asking for the direct link to the article, which is not in the OP.

the link in the op does not go to an individual reuters article.

it goes to a moving feed which contains comments by people mixed with links to article.

no one has responded to my request for a direct link.

do you have it?

[Yo_Mama]

67. Those figures are correct!!!

Here's an article from Kyodo News:
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78123.html
"In Ibaraki Prefecture, just south of Fukushima, an amount of radiation up to about 100 times the usual level was measured Tuesday morning. In Kanagawa Prefecture, southwest of Tokyo, radiation of up to nine times the normal level was also briefly detected.

The Tokyo metropolitan government also said it has detected a small amount of radioactive materials such as iodine and cesium in the air of the metropolis."

The readings are fluctuating at the plant and everywhere else, especially depending on the wind shift. And nine times normal is no threat to human health.

It's been 30 times normal in Chiba. But these aren't sustained levels.

The levels should go up tomorrow in Tokyo; the levels quoted in the article are stemming from the Daiichi morning levels, and those were much, much lower than just recently. If the wind shifts, maybe Tokyo will get less.

These levels may sound high, but they are not dangerous levels or anywhere close to it. We'll have to see how much radiation is emitted from the plant over the next few days. It would help if the explosions and fires would stop, because that sort of stuff carries radiation further up in the atmosphere.

With the fun and games tonight (from my reference point), at one point radiation had reached 400 millisieverts/hr. Earlier today, the maximum was 3,200 MICROsieverts. A microSievert is a thousandth of a milliSievert. So earlier today they peaked at 3.2 milliSieverts, and then the level increased more than 100 times. But it dropped.

And with distance, Tokyo will get much, much less.

[flamingdem]

41. Breaking News: Radiation 40x more than normal found in Saitama prefecture N. of Tokyo nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Prefecture map

[Saboburns]

45. I'm sorry but I don't think that's correct

There's a lot of confusion out there right now, but this is not correct.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. AGAIN you think NHK is lying?

why would that be?

[Saboburns]

50. No, they got bad information

That has been since been recalled. But it won't stop you from doing what it is that you do.

Carry on.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Ok, given they got that info from Nagano and TEPCO

I guess they are lying

PHEW... there are puppies running around plant number four as we speak, and children laughing.

[Hannah Bell]

54. i don't see any link, nadin. this is a basic at du & particularly in a crisis.

as an emergency worker, surely you know that.

i'm watching nhk english. they're talking about earthquakes.

[Hannah Bell]

51. link?

[flamingdem]

55. Via Twitter from Reuters

‎
ClimateLab‎ Reuters: Tokyo detects "minute" amount of radiation. Radiation nearby in #Saitama were 40x normal levels. #japan #tsunami
Tokyo detects minute amount of radiation | Reuters‎ - reuters.com
Twitter -
1463
24 minutes ago

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Reuters is lying

so is NHK, I have learned

:sarcasm:

[Hannah Bell]

60. thank you for that much. i see, it's tweets. that's why people aren't linking.

do you know what climate lab reuters is & do you have to have a subscription to see their tweets?

[PoliticAverse]

58. Link to Reuters article...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/japan-quake-level-idUSTKB00735620110315

(Reuters) - Radiation levels in Kanagawa prefecture, west of Tokyo, were up to nine times the normal level briefly on Tuesday, Kyodo news agency said, quoting the prefecture government.

[Hannah Bell]

61. thank you. 10:48 eastern daylight time, "briefly". different impression altogether.

links are good.

i appreciate yours.

[flamingdem]

63. Link: radiation levels in Saitama, near Tokyo, were 40 times normal levels

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/japan-quake-idUSTKB00735920110315

Tokyo detects "minute" amount of radiation


TOKYO, Japan, March 15 | Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:41pm EDT

TOKYO, Japan, March 15 (Reuters) - "Minute levels" of radiation have been detected in the Japanese capital, Tokyo, Kyodo news agency said, quoting the metropolitan government.

They had found iodine and cesium but it was not immediately clear if it was linked to the damaged nuclear plant in the northeast.

It also said that radiation levels in Saitama, near Tokyo, were 40 times normal levels, quoting the local government.

[Hannah Bell]

64. thank you. i appreciate links. especially when they have times.

do you know what the climatelab is?

i am finding some kind of carbon trading outfit on the web but don't know if that's the source of the tweet.

[golfguru]

62. There is NO LOOTING reported anywhere in Japan

when you consider how many are homeless, no food and no water and
still there is no looting going on. Their culture is superior to ours.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Nah, they have extremely good sheltering system

for a disaster...

We don't

That costs money.

And if they do not solve some of the issues they may still do

[golfguru]

69. Every fricking incident in US involves immediate looting

whether it is riots, Katrina, winning world series, NFL championship, even electricity blackouts,
and out come the looters and vandals.

I am hearing news items from Japan of hundreds of thousands in their homes without
water and electricity. They are not in in any fricking shelter.

Nah, they are just much better people than the scumbags here.