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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:37 PM
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The U.S. has just launched the first missiles against Libya! MSNBC
Edited on Sat Mar-19-11 02:45 PM by in_cog_ni_to
I thought we weren't to be "involved" in this? LIES. LIES. LIES.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:38 PM
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1. Have you been watching the news today? nt
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:42 PM
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5. I have
And I heard that authorities in Bahrain and Yemen have killed civilians who want democratic changes, but the UN didn't vote for a no fly zone with authorization to attack ground targets to "protect unarmed civilians" in either of those countries!

Different standards I guess, but what else is new.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:42 PM
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7. Yes. Yes I Have. France was flying over Libya. Not the U.S.
All I have read here on DU is the U.S. isn't going to be involved. We were just helping to coordinate strikes. France would take the lead on this. Now WE drop the first missiles?
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:44 PM
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11. That was never true
You should check sources before you just believe anything you see on DU. The US has said it would support the mission. We'll be firing Tomahawk cruise missiles and flying AWACS missions at the very least.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:48 PM
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17. G-d. While our schools crumble, our roads crumble, our Unions get busted, our health
care system sucks, no jobs, and our teachers suffer. Disgusting.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:03 PM
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41. +14,243,847,292,506
PB
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:16 PM
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45. Exactamente
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:47 PM
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15. Launched - not dropped. We are not flying over Libya.
We are providing support for the rebels and the French from off-shore.

Soon the US will be heavily criticized for not really having any skin in the game.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:02 PM
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39. Cruise missiles, not bombs.
Not dropped from a plane.

And taking out air defenses and runways is ALWAYS step one in a no-fly operation. It requires air superiority.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:38 PM
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2. But...
Just think of all the defense industry jobs this will create :sarcasm:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:38 PM
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3. So what's new ?
LIES. LIES. LIES.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:41 PM
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4. The civilian casualties will come back to haunt the US.
The blood of those martyred by the US will call out for justice.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:50 PM
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21. Will we be blamed for the rebels shooting down their own plane
this morning before the no fly got started?

Of course we will - right here on DU.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:54 PM
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29. The US has bought the situation now.
...
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:56 PM
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32. We are not in the lead on this.
Not even close. Its a NATO thing - we are in a support position.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:01 PM
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37. what casualties? our precision guided munition produced by the lowest bidder
Edited on Sat Mar-19-11 03:01 PM by GSLevel9
will deliver death ONLY to people deemed by the Emperor to be unfriendly to the State.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:42 PM
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6. What do you mean we weren't to be involved?
Have you been paying attention to what has been said, or is this just another day in paradise.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:43 PM
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8. All I've heard here since the UN voted to attack is: The U.S. isn't going to be doing anything.
We're just signing on and helping to coordinate.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:50 PM
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24. Then you heard wrong.
What was said is that the US will not lead the event, but will aid the others in the coalition. Nobody ever said we would be doing nothing.

I'm sure you know this, but prefer to ignore the facts.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:59 PM
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35. NO...I could name the poster, but it would be calling him out.
So I won't. He knows who he is. But that is EXACTLY what he said. "THE U.S. IS NOT DOING ANYTHING."
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:04 PM
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42. Well that poster didn't have the facts right.
I wouldn't pay attention to what they have to say anymore.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:43 PM
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9. Yep. That we were going to do this later today has been heavily reported
WASHINGTON — The U.S. prepared to a launch a missile attack on Libyan air defenses, but American ships and aircraft stationed in and around the Mediterranean Sea did not participate in initial French air missions Saturday, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the unfolding intervention.

One official said the U.S. intends to limit its involvement — at least in the initial stages — to helping protect French and other air missions by taking out Libyan air defenses.

An attack against those defenses with Navy sea-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles was planned for later Saturday, one official said. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of military operations.

The official said that depending on how Libyan forces responded to initial intervention by the French and others, the U.S. could launch additional attacks in support of allied forces. The intention was to leave it to other nations to patrol a no-fly zone over Libya once air defenses are silenced, the official said.
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/03/ap-officials-us-missile-attack-on-libya-readied-031911/

It was also on my local news in newspaper today.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:43 PM
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10. I agree with the Administration of supporting the rebels over Gaddafi, but
they should get Congressional approval before launching any military action.

Thanks for the thread, in_cog_ni_to.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:45 PM
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12. That is a quaint practice that hasn't been used for decades.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:48 PM
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16. Quaint or not it should be used whenever we attack another nation, unless
we're being attacked by some nuclear bombardment and there simply isn't any time.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:49 PM
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19. I totally agree.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:52 PM
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27. This is a UN operation and the President has 60 days anyway. nt
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:49 PM
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20. Not exactly
The dumbfucks fell for the line fed to them by the "nurse" aka Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter, about the Iraqis turfing babies from incubators to authorise the first was in Iraq.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:51 PM
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25. There have been 'authorizations' from Congress, but no formal
'declarations' since WWII.
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Dash87 Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:46 PM
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13. Once again we are helping, and probably arming our future enemies.
We as a country will never learn. :(

The money spent on one of those missiles probably could have fed hundreds, if not thousands of families.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:50 PM
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22. SO FREAKIN' TRUE.
>The money spent on one of those missiles probably could have fed hundreds, if not thousands of families.<
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:46 PM
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14. Buh bye Libyan air defenses.
Gadhafi had plenty of opportunity to stop his killing of civilians.

Now he loses his air defense systems.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:52 PM
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26. I'm all for getting rid of Gadhafi, but as long as we have endless NEEDS
Edited on Sat Mar-19-11 02:52 PM by in_cog_ni_to
in this country, we should NOT be spending more freakin' money on another freakin' war. It's WRONG.
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:49 PM
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18. Another day of war, another day of doing absolutely nothing for the American people. nt
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cedric Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:50 PM
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23. Good for the US
It all depends on whether you believe torture is acceptable or not, whether freedoms that you benefit from should be available to others and whether those who have fought off repression and have asked for help should be aided.

Gaddafi is scum and left to his own devices will kill and murder those who rebel against him. Then again that's easy to say when you sitting in a country where certain rights are upheld.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/03/17/141923.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f3ea54fc-50ca-11e0-9227-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss#axzz1H4oO5CMV
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:56 PM
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31. Gadhafi is scum, but while this country and its citizens are in desperate NEED,
we have no business spending money on another damn war. Why is it we NEVER have money for our crumbling schools, our disastrous health care system, our crumbling infrastructure, our teachers, our poor, our homeless, our blue collar workers and our unions, but we ALWAYS have BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of freakin' dollars for WAR? WHY?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:53 PM
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28. "Limited role" does NOT mean...
"no involvement".
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:58 PM
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33. It's amazing how kneejerky people get about this, isn't it?
It's been clear what they were going to be doing since the resolution passed night before last, but people are all surprised and horrified that countries are acting according to how the thing is written. People really need to actually read the intervention resolution and stop getting their talking points about how it's "supposed to just be a no fly zone" from the media.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 06:18 PM
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46. I call them...
Edited on Sat Mar-19-11 06:21 PM by SDuderstadt
(no pun intended) DU's shoot-first, ask-questions-later brigade.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:56 PM
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30. Bravo! Hoorah! Another victoiry...for the MIC!
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:58 PM
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34. Each cruise missile costs $600,000. Shared sacrifice, indeed. nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:01 PM
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38. Wow. How many people would that feed? How many schools would that build/repair?
How many roads would that repair? It goes on and on and on....and that's just ONE missile.
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:02 PM
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40. I'm not sure I want to know the numbers. :-( nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 06:27 PM
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48. How many Teachers, PolicePersons, Fire Fighers and Others will be Fired to Pay for THIS?
How Many? WE NEED TO KNOW?

What is the cost of EACH CRUISE MISSILE...weighed against the salary of our American Personnel who serve our Communities, Children and Health Facilities? Our Emergency Forces...?

:shrug: WHY ARE WE STILL DOING THESE WARS THAT COST US here AT HOME in AMERICA? :shrug:
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:00 PM
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36. $600,000 a pop.
I can't think of ANYTHING that $600K TIMES ??? COULD DO TO BETTER PEOPLE LIVES HERE!!!
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:15 PM
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44. So how many Libyans have Gaddafi killed? 40,000 Americans die every year
in the U.S. because of the lack of health care.

It's none of our damn business. Let the Europeans take care of Gaddafi.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 06:28 PM
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49. I think, what you say, makes some sense.......n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 06:24 PM
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47. That's what I was thinking... All this Hooplah on Friday...America Not Involved
...YET! Now we are doing 100 Missile Strikes? And, CNN said.. It was to "clear the ground for the Coalition Forces to come in to Monitor the Situation?" :eyes:

Does NO ONE REMEMBER...Bush's IRAQ INVASION and the "Coalition of the Willing?"

Sometimes I think I'm losing my mind...until I go to my FILE DRAWER...filled with Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld's LIES AND LIES...and how hard so many of us worked to expose those lies..and now we have a NEW LEADER..(LEADERS with HILLARY) Doing IT AGAIN?

Oh...please release me from my "information." UGH :-(
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