As so aptly put by Silver10, Since when is Peace a Right-wing argument?

[DainBramaged]

I never though in my decade here that DU would be equally divided between the peacemakers and the warmongers. It amazes me but tonight it appears that being against the latest military adventure by the US is akin to being against Obama himself.


But what about all of those other places where the citizens re being starved, raped, tortured and murdered?
Kim Jong-Il, Somalia, The Congo, Nigeria, the Rwandan genocide OMG millions murdered there, and our war against Africa in total by not helping to stem the tide of AIDS.


We're doing someone's dirty work yet again. Our hands are not clean.

[Warpy]

1. If Obama done it, they're agin it

Remember, consistency is not this group's strong point. If it were, they'd have gotten whiplash during Stupid's reign.

It's just groupthink and anything outside the group is automatically bad.

It's not against enforcing a no fly zone, it's not about helping people trying to oust a dictator, it's all about hating anybody who is outside the cult.

[Amonester]

Once again, has the UN voted on a R2P res. for any of these member countries?

Kim Jong-Il, Somalia, The Congo, Nigeria, the Rwandan genocide OMG millions murdered there, and our war against Africa in total by not helping to stem the tide of AIDS.

If not, why haven't/aren't you writing petitions to the UN requesting them?

[DainBramaged]

4. Why haven't you?

got proof? Demonstrated lately? Sent condoms to Africa (via donation) I have.....

[Amonester]

5. Good things.

So I guess you *probably* hate the United Nation's Responsibility to Protect resolution *thingy* and don't want to answer that specific question.

Thanks anyway.

[DainBramaged]

7. I answered your question and asked one, and you give up?

We could have LET THE REST OF THE WORLD intervene for once, but no, we have to shoot off hundreds of millions of dollars of cruise missiles....

sorry you didn't' like my reply.

[Amonester]

12. No, I like your replies when things are clear.

You've got a point. But Obama told gaddafi he should leave not long ago, and now, he got stuck with *putting his C-I-C forces where his mouth is* (so to speak).

[joshcryer]

10. They tried R2P for Burma but failed thanks to Russia+China veto.

I dunno how Libya managed to get through. I guess Russia and China both were worried about the effects of oil price. Sadly.

[Poll_Blind]

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[DainBramaged]

3. "heavily intoxicated ", I tried a "start drinking heavily" thread

it got shouted down......such is DU... and long after the disruptor's are gone, I'll still be chicken pecking my way to aggravating the status quo...

[Union Scribe]

6. Since war became a Democratic platform plank, I guess.

[joshcryer]

8. People who are backing the Libyan Revolutionaries are not "war mongers."

[DainBramaged]

9. (sigh) any word on when we stomp down the king of Bahrain?

we sure helped end that revolution. Oh wait, we didn't.....nice try...you really like pushing the Administration's position don't you.....

[joshcryer]

11. Let me know when Bahrain is comparable to Libya and I'll make statements to that effect.

I'll be the first to call for R2P intervention.

[DainBramaged]

13. What isn't the revolution big enough for you?

You've shown us who you are, and neither of us are changing our minds, so if you want, I'll just paste and x next to your name so you can make snide comments and I won;t see them, but sincerely, try someone else, mmmmk?


Bahrain is a small desert kingdom in the Persian Gulf, a nation of about 1 million. In February 2011, it became swept up in the unrest sweeping through the Arab world, as long simmering tensions within the country boiled over, producing large demonstrations and a violent crackdown. For the Obama administration, Bahrain is the Egypt scenario in miniature, a struggle to avert broader instability and protect its interests while voicing support for the democratic aspiration of the protesters. It is one of the most politically volatile countries in the Gulf, and one of the most strategically important for the United States, which bases its Fifth Fleet there. It produces a notable amount of oil, and is a banking hub.

March 18 The Bahraini government tore down the protest movement’s defining monument, the pearl at the center of Pearl Square, a symbolic strike that carried a sense of finality. The official news agency described the razing as a facelift.

March 17 The Bahraini government, which sought in February to mollify protesters clamoring for democratic reform, decisively shifted tactics to forceful repression. A day after aggressively clearing Pearl Square of protesters, authorities arrested several major opposition figures, including Hassan Mushaima, a Shiite and Islamist dissident politician. State television said the leaders were arrested for having “communicated with foreign countries” and because they “incited killing of citizens and destruction of public and private property.”

March 16 Two days after the king of Bahrain brought in 2,000 troops from Saudi Arabia and other neighboring allies, and the day after he declared martial law, his security forces rolled into Pearl Square, the stronghold of the antigovernment protest movement, taking it from the protesters who had moved in a month ago. Plumes of black smoke choked the central city landscape as troops repeatedly fired tear gas canisters, rubber bullets and what sounded like live ammunition, igniting fires in tents, trees and brush. Most of the hundreds in the square fled from the huge display of military might. There was no immediate word on casualties.

March 15 Hours after the king of Bahrain declared a three-month state of emergency, doctors said two protesters had been killed and some 200 wounded and injured in clashes with riot police in the suburban village of Sitra, a stronghold of antigovernment activists six miles south of the capital. The violence contrasted starkly with a large protest in downtown Manama, where more than 10,000 protesters marched peacefully on the Saudi Arabian Embassy to denounce a military intervention by Persian Gulf countries the day before


http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/bahrain/index.html


Why should Obama support Democracy there? In Libya we have no stake so bombs away.....

[silver10]

14. My thoughts and prayers are for the poor civilians who get bombed

[Angry Dragon]

15. .......

:hide:


:popcorn:

[Nevernose]

16. DU was like this in 2001 and 2003, too.

There were plenty of people on here saying, "Well, I don't like Bush, but Saddam is a bad man who's got to go." Plenty of them. I may have even been like that from time to time as I was trying to work out how I felt about it.

What gets me about this one is that, contrary to the word being thrown about like confetti under a Mission Accomplished banner, there is no genocide going on. There is a civil war. Innocent civilians die in civil wars, and the moment one of our cruise missles accidentally kills some old woman or little kid, our entire pretext -- "who's going to protect the innocent civilians?" -- is rendered moot, because then we're not any better.

And the only argument against that is "But it's different" -- somehow -- "when we're killing innocent Libyans. Our reason for murdering innocent women and children is better than Khadaffi's reason for murdering innocent women and children." Somehow.

We're not protecting anybody, we're just taking sides. Yes, the rebels have asked for aid. What makes them more entitled to it than the people marching and chanting their love for Khadaffi in the streets of Tripoli? And if the rebels are so concerned about the innocent women and children, why don't they take their masses of weaponry and go fight on a battlefield instead of hiding in town?

[DainBramaged]

17. I remember those days, and a LOT of people are gone from the arguments

voluntary and otherwise.


When is it going to end? Obama PROMISED we would be out of Iraq and Afghanistan, close Gitmo, and now we're bombing another Arab country....while Bahrain is crushed by the king and his Saudi backers.....