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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:34 AM Original message |
"No Blood For Oil"? Multiple Transnational Oil Corporations Have Been In Libya Since At Least 2004 |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oil was being produced but not on favorable terms for the oil corps. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. "not on favorable terms for the oil corps"? Where do you get that info. from? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. 18 years in the oil industry and being third generation in it |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Right now we've just got your word for it. Links please. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Have emailed Sen Wielechowski's office to find were he got his slide from. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Do you have a screenshot of the slide? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Was on TV. Search "Moore up North" maybe you will be luckier then me. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. See post 35. Posted the slide and show for you Dave. n/t |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
73. Thank you Catherina. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I appreciated you bringing it up and looking for it. I had no idea n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. Now that we have the slide (and its source!) we now know that is patently false! |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
83. I thought that graph was a bit odd |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Read here: |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. So, they had their feet under the table AND were happy enough to sign up a 1/4 century deal? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Turborama, the Wikileaks cables |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I forgot about the Wikileaks cables |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Where did you read that? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. Hi Catherina, |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Here's the slide Arctic Dave was talking about |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That's ludicrious, the terms are set before acting, they would not have... |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Taxes change as often as contracts. No strange occurrence. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Got a cite for this? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Which part? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. The big bad taxes affecting multinationals. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The oil corps are spendings millions of dollars in Alaska right now |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. No, I use common sense, they make these contracts to cover that in advance. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Contracts are subject to change. All contracts. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. New Libya Corporate Income Tax - Law No 7 of 2010 - 20% flat rate. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Looks like it's been in place actually since 2004. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Thanks Josh |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Apparently there's a wikileaks cable going around being selectively quoted.. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I haven't seen it |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Yes, it's all speculative slander, from neocons, to terrorists, to oil grabs. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #45 |
91. As I wrote in another OP I posted recently. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
71. Corporate tax is not the same as oil tax. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Contracts become void, too |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. No, it's not clear to "most people". Most of Infowars, probably. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Nice try, but I don't buy Alex Jones tripe |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Yes. We can now safely assume that any of these countries who's oil corporations had contracts... |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. My pointing that out isn't |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Your climb down from that statement is accepted and appreciated |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Oh, BTW - |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. Which is why BP is demanding that their contract be recognized. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. And can be disputed in court... |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. Not only that...HE'S KILLING PEOPLE |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. The rebels have planes and anti-aircraft artillery. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. They had A plane. And they weren't violent until Gaddafi started killing them |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. They certainly have anti-aircraft artillery |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Who's arming them now? Egypt. However, when this all started a month ago defectors |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Thanks, I was wondering |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. I meant paying attention since this all started over a month ago |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Half of the men at roadblocks have guns tonight according to reuters. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Please watch any video coming out today. Half of the people in the streets are fucking unarmed. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. All contracts in global business... |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. "shades of Saddam"? It looks that way. Oil corpos decide they don't like Saddam or Gaddafi |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
29. DU'ers with a preconceived bias can literally come with ANY line of rationale |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
78. Yes it is. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. The logical response of the anti-interventionists |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
11. No blood for geostrategic control. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Maybe you'd like to start a thread about that? |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. It's about the rationale for the war being waged against Libya. |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I'm afraid you're right. The more I read about the Libya misadventure |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
25. There to protect the oil not the people. It's a sick, sick, sick world. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
30. I hope they don't mind me doing this, but Ikonoklast made a v. important point in a deceased thread |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. The guarantee that China won't be the beneficiary? |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. CHina has BILLIONS in money there, largest out of all of us. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. That's right. I remember that. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. What ever government that is set up by the US etc won't allow that to happen. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Well, CHINA got the first oil contract in Iraq |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. And how much money does the US owe China? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Deleted message |
OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Not handing it over, giving some of it away. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
39. Who said that the US & friends allow the revolutionaries to win in the long run and take control of |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. If you think the revolutionaries are going to allow France, Britain et al to set up their government |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. +1, completely debasing the revolutionaries. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. And do you know who the rebels are? Pray tell....... BTW..they seem well |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Nope, maybe 1 in 10, 2 in 10 have weapons. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. You're talking about street protestors, not miliary action which is happening. How about the fighter |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Get as far as they have? They lost 6 cities in 3 days! Have you not been following this! |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Just in time for the "calvary" to intervene. Why don't you know who the rebels are and what their |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Yes, the people saying they're Muslim extremists have no evidence, they're spreading FUD. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. But doesn't that happen all the time? |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. No.Revolutions deposing brutal dictators who've been in power for 42 years don't happen all the time |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I meant TPTB picking governments. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Mark my words. Bookmark this page and if I'm wrong, I'll gladly apologize. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. You do the same, and likewise. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I'm going to "journalize" my posts, too. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. Cool |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. OMG been up 48 hours. :( |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:07 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I know the feeling |
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Runework (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
87. Dogs of War |
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