"the one threat to plutonomy is "one man, one vote"

[niyad]

watching "capitalism: a love story" this morning, and caught the section on the leaked memos from citigroup, talking about how the one threat to the top 1 percent is the fact that the bottom 99 percent can still vote.

is it any wonder that there are such attacks on voters these days??? voter id rules, purging, caging, etc--all designed to dilute the one perceived threat to the plutonomy.

no surprise, but an indication of how bold they have become, to blatantly put this out there.

[azul]

1. Leaked to give the illusion that the top 1% is scared

that the rest can vote against plutocracy. When the reality is that they are pretty secure in selecting for any serious candidates by media control and fixing the vote by private ownership of proprietary secret tabulating and voting software and machines.

Must keep up the illusion of democracy for this continuing financial scam to work.

[BeFree]

2. They are magicians, eh?

Most people still believe that their vote is counted as cast!! Like Magic!

It could be counted as cast, but not by the present day computerized vote counters.
We must have hand-counted elections.

Getting your ballot hand counted is something everyone of us should pursue. How?
Go to your local elections office and tell the workers there that you will never trust elections until the ballots are hand-counted.

That's all anyone has to do. If they hear that message from just 10% of the voters, the workers in the elections offices will make it happen.

Do it tomorrow. Lets get this done.

[azul]

3. Would the cost of elections be less to have all votes mailed in?

All postage paid, it would stimulate the ailing USPS. And count every vote and saved for re-count if necessary.

And have eligible voters that do not send in their votes be put into a lottery to be audited by the IRS. (Is that a penalty?)


Somebody tells me in conversation that Bush was elected twice, I say, Prove it. Show me the hard copy. You can't.

The system is busted, and astonishingly, it is not a priority for everyone.

[BeFree]

6. yes

mail in ballots require paper and would be cheaper than staffing 100's of precincts.

One thing I say tho is this: since computers count the paper ballots, there needs to be a
REQUIREMENT that a recount takes place.

There actually are laws against recounts. Laws that state that the ballots may not be recounted.

What each of must do is tell our election officials that the officials are not doing a good job because we do not trust elections which are not recounted.

BTW: I have practiced what I am preaching, and it had an effect. It didn't solve the problem but it had an effect. If the officials hear from another 9.99% of the voters, it will move this mountain.

[bvar22]

7. "Mail In Voting" has a serious flaw...no Exit Polls.

It would be easier to steal a Mail In election than any other kind.

In the rest of the Civilized World, and most of the 3rd World,
Exit Polls are the Gold Standard by which the veracity of the vote count is determined.
Exit Polls have practically become illegal in the USA.

There is only one way to ensure a fair & transparent election.

1)A national Holiday on Election Day

2)Paper Ballots

3)Hand Counted IN PUBLIC with Inet Video observation AT THE POLLING STATION

4)Results posted on the door

5)Several Independent Exit Polls

6)Ballot Boxes remain undisturbed (not transported) under observation until The WINNER is determined.

[niyad]

9. as a matter of curiousity, WHY should people who don't vote be audited? YES, that IS a penalty--

there is not, nor should there be, a requirement to vote.

[Octafish]

4. That's why they bought Congress...

...and just about anyone they can find in office -- elected and appointed.

[Ozymanithrax]

5. First, that 99% don't vote...

Second, it is easy to convince a majority who vote to elect a turd with the right marketing plan.

As long as people enjoy individual freedoms, some will get rich and many will be poor. The system can be made tolerable only when a government regulates certain aspects of the economy.

But when the richest elements of the society gain control of the government by coming up with the right marketing plan.

[Kablooie]

8. But wouldn't it be easier for them if they only had to influence one man and one vote?