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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 05:55 PM Original message |
Pastor Jones: "We don't feel responsible." |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Does this look like a happy well adjusted being ... n/t |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Germany told him to get out because of his actions. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. He's dancing and laughing on the inside |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Someone needs to be hit by a clue-by-four |
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FarLeftRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. +10000... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. Of course he doesn't accept responsibility for his actions. He's Religious Right-wing. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. Capitalist media whore. nt |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. Looks like he just tied a woman to the railroad tracks. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
76. +1 |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. Let's be clear about this: Pastor Jones is not responsible, the murderers are. |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Exactly. nt |
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physioex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You have a point.... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. so what - he had a right to proceed |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Choosing not to burn somebody else's holy book is hardly tiptoeing around them |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #70 |
92. why is his lack of religious tolerance what is at issue here |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. There would have never been the riot if he hadn't .... |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. There never would have been a riot if Mohammed hadn't hallucinated angelic visitations |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yes he is. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. you know what... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. There wouldn't have been a riot if the Mullahs hadn't organized it. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Granted the Mullahs and the rioters are responsible for ... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Your last point is true, but not relevant. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Pastor Jones damn well knew he was lighting the fuse ... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Big difference: the KKK member wants the race war. |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Sorry, but I must disagree. |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. I know he's a piece of crap. |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. His action was intended |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #77 |
98. Burning an object, if privately owned, should never incite violence. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. yes... he has the freedom as speech as we do to shun, reject, shame him. nt |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. True, but that doesn't make this guy any less of an evil fuck. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You seriously think murder is not much worse than burning a book? |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. He knew he was inciting murder when he burned THAT book |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Two points. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Sorry, I disagree on both points. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Do you know anything about this guy before you start defending him? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I don't defend anything about him except his Koran-burning. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Why doesn't he burn the Koran in Afghanistan if he feels so |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I think it's *exactly* what the first ammendment was framed with a view to protecting. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. If the 'religious debate' was confined to this country and subject |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #49 |
95. So let me get this straight. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #95 |
115. We submit to Foreign Whims all the time. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. Hate begets more hate... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Please tell me you're not comparing Koran-burning to cross-burning? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Both are forms of intimidation based on hate. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. No, burning the Koran is not a form of intimidation in any way. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Deleted message |
MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Maybe if he burned a Koran... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. He didn't burn it privately, he did so publicly, inviting the media |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Burning it publicly... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Deleted message |
quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
56. The freedom of speech |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. What about to your own defence. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. I did not say it was not permissable |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:28 AM Response to Reply #75 |
96. The good reason to burn the Koran is that the right to do so is under threat. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. This is complete BS |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
116. Do you feel as strongly about the actual loss of the rest of |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. No, I don't, quite. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. +100 |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
80. +100 |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
84. This is not about "Free Speech" to me - it is about doing something that one knows will incite even |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
101. What you said... |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
103. +1 |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
104. Thank you! +1,000 |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
107. He is not guilty of murder, he is in my eyes guilty of incitement since he had been warned |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. Provocation is not quite the same thing as incitement. N.T. |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. Because they aren't. Just ignorant. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
14. of course he doesn't, the nasty little inbred piece of shit psychopath |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
15. He's not _responsible_. |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. So far . . . give it time. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
122. it's a fair cop. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
16. The ignorant never think they are responsible |
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gort (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. Good pastor. Go there and burn a Koran in front of them if your ballls are so big |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. His balls are tiny, unless his God tells him otherwise n/t |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
24. They don't feel anything...common characteristic for those without a conscience, or fucking soul n/t |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
25. Is there anyway that he & his cohort could be arrested for manslaughter? He was warned! |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Thankfully not - do you really want to criminalise burning the Koran? |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. A wee bit over the top no? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. I'm not trying to *compel* them not to state their thoughts. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Wow! |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. I appreciate the response. I have a son in the area where these murders are taking place & I am not |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I hope your son gets out of harm's way ASAP and that .. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Thank you so much. You don't know how much I appreciate that. I am putting a link to a news report |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I understand just a little bit of what you are going through |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I just found this great editorial and posted it - Please take a look & again thank you! |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Agreed /nt |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
78. I think you are going to far with "protecting" people who deliberately incite violence. This is more |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #78 |
97. The Muslims incited violence, Jones merely didn't back down. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. A$$hat provocateur. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
35. Well he is partially responsible, but I would expect nothing but hate |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
36. Good, he shouldn't. |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
44. Racist Fuckhead Feels No Shame, Remorse |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
55. No, fuck you, Jones, you're completely totally guilty. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Remember free speech? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. He had a right to do it. I have a right to condemn him for the consequences of what he did. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Correct. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
123. You do, but "guilty" is at best a poor choice of word, because of the legal connotations. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Explain how it's free speech when it's sole purpose is to incite violence, which it did. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
110. I'm not sure I can go much beyond "It is, and it wasn't", but I'll try. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. I'll defend his right to free speech, but I will not defend murder in any way shape or form. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
62. I think some people here confuse supporting free speech with endorsing every act of free speech. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
68. The Afghani people have heard of the Kill Team. That angered them too. n/t |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
71. He's right - he and his group are not responsible. Muslim extremists have |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. +1 |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. You have a right to your thoughts. To those who killed those people this was more than any "book". |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #81 |
94. You say that to the murderers the 'book' was more than just a book. Well, |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #94 |
109. so since we are talking about things being 'just a book' and such |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. It is an old piece of paper, and the contents are printed in numerous |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. only reason i compared it is i've seen a number here on DU as well as |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
82. I don't think we should be censoring ourselves because a group of religious lunatics |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Jones' own words |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
88. Obscurantists murder over book burning? This is nonsense. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. "but he doesn't have blood on his hands" |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. No to mob rule. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
93. So we're going to use the "You made me hit you" defense for murderers now? |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
100. I wish the CIA could render him to Waziristan |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #100 |
108. Send him on a Christian Mission to Afganistan to spread Jesus' love!!! |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #100 |
112. So, CIA rendition is condoned if it is someone currently disliked by a |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Geez, lighten up already |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
102. The issue is not "should" or "should not" but *WHY*? |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Thank you for this comment! I believe you are right on! Read about the book Jones is selling... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
105. This is somewhat like those cartoons of Mohamed that enraged |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
117. now he gets a spot on nightline. i repeat, why is this guy getting so much press? |
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Baby Bear (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
121. Pastor Jones is a Hater |
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