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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:01 PM

So can anything be done about this fucking tax scam if Dems get control of the House and Senate

next year? I am guessing we would need 2/3rd majority though, meaning we are fucked? So we are looking at 2021 before anything can realistically be done and the debt will have already skyrocketed by then?

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Reply So can anything be done about this fucking tax scam if Dems get control of the House and Senate (Original post)
Quixote1818 Dec 2017 OP
KPN Dec 2017 #1
ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2017 #2
Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #3
Garrett78 Dec 2017 #5
marylandblue Dec 2017 #4
bdamomma Dec 2017 #6
Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #7
PoliticAverse Dec 2017 #8
Freddie Dec 2017 #9
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #10
unblock Dec 2017 #12
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #13
unblock Dec 2017 #11

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:10 PM

1. Short of that -- mass rebellion. But

that ain't going to happen. We just have to tough it out and never forget ... and never forgive.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:11 PM

2. Unless Dems really do a 2010 on the Republicans and then some.....



it will take work turning red districts blue. People will be mad as hell by then.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:17 PM

3. Even that's not enough because we'll still have a Republican President.

Short of 2/3 majorities, it won't be fixed until 2021 at the earliest.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:19 PM

5. By the time people are hurt by the bill, they won't link their suffering to it.

They'll be convinced that Democrats are the cause of their suffering, especially those uppity women and persons of color. We can hope, though, that it will suppress Republican turnout.

We just have to GOTV. We just have to outnumber them. We can't count on them seeing the error of their ways.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:18 PM

4. If Trump is still president, a lot can be done

He doesn't pay attention to policy, has no loyalty to Republicans and signs whatever someone puts in front of him. So if Democrats send him a "fix" he'll probably say it was his idea all along and sign it.

If Pence is president, he might actually read the bill and veto it.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:20 PM

6. it's a heist

plain and simple, we should be out in the streets!!

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:20 PM

7. #RESIST #REMOVE #REPLACE

 

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:22 PM

8. If a Republican is still president 2/3rds is needed to prevent a veto. n/t

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:31 PM

9. Take 60 or so symbolic votes to repeal it

Like they did with the ACA. Won't accomplish anything but it will piss them off and waste time.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:34 PM

10. From what I see of the bill, the real pain won't kick in for ten years.

Plus, in the fall of next year, the current tax laws will still have been in effect. Nothing will change until people start filing their tax returns for 2018 in early 2019.

Certainly if we get control of the House and Senate we can try to change this. But don't hold your breath for anything substantive to happen.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:40 PM

12. well, there's a lot of pain in hiking the deficit by $1.5 trillion for no good reason

and then the automatic spending cuts to try to make up for it, plus further political pressure on any more spending and political pressure for additional spending cuts,....

plus corporations will have an incentive to flush their cash out while they can take advantage of the crazy low rates, a number will leave themselves with too little and become vulnerable and will go belly-up when the recession hits....

plenty of pain even before much of it expires in 10 years.

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Response to unblock (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:46 PM

13. Unfortunately, most people won't

connect any automatic cuts to the tax bill.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:36 PM

11. realistically, it's in until we control the house, senate, and presidency.

donnie would veto anything good and we won't have 2/3rds in both houses any time soon.

but once we have those three, we can reverse the tax scam and even restore progressivity via the same reconciliation rules. no need for 60 votes.

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