Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:21 PM

lostnfound (14,701 posts)

Did Chris van Hollen just say that 48% of stock owned by foreign investors? So $ goes abroad?

On Laurence O’Donnell. So middle class loses out big time, and wealthy investors abroad get the benefit?

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Did Chris van Hollen just say that 48% of stock owned by foreign investors? So $ goes abroad? (Original post)	lostnfound	Dec 2017	OP
Yes, a few years down the road.	elleng	Dec 2017	#1
yes he did say that....	chillfactor	Dec 2017	#2
Trumps Tax Plan Gives $520 Billion to Wealthy Foreigners at the Expense of American Middle Class	greyl	Dec 2017	#3
A huge percentage of US currency is abroad, too.	GreenEyedLefty	Dec 2017	#4
That, I believe, is strongly tied to the drug trade.	PoindexterOglethorpe	Dec 2017	#6
Somehow I doubt that 48% of all stock is owned by foreign investors.	PoindexterOglethorpe	Dec 2017	#5
Well, there are a lot of sovereign wealth funds out there.	Yavin4	Dec 2017	#7
Perhaps.	PoindexterOglethorpe	Dec 2017	#8
Money as well as Stocks are	Wellstone ruled	Dec 2017	#9
Its only 27% but yeah, a good portion of the tax breaks for funds not repatriated go to foreig	uponit7771	Dec 2017	#10

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:22 PM

elleng (103,464 posts)

1. Yes, a few years down the road.

I don't recall the numbers.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:24 PM

chillfactor (6,661 posts)

2. yes he did say that....

all money coming from the poor and middle class to fund foreign investors.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:34 PM

greyl (21,963 posts)

3. Trumps Tax Plan Gives $520 Billion to Wealthy Foreigners at the Expense of American Middle Class

If the plan passes through the Senate this month, foreigners will see more money than all middle-income households in the United States combined. That’s because foreign investors now own more than $6.5 trillion worth of U.S. equity and investment fund shares, and about 35 percent of all U.S. corporate stock, according to data from the Tax Policy Center. The GOP plan will lower corporate tax rates to 20 percent, benefiting foreign investors at the cost of at least $52 billion each year, or $520 billion over the next decade.

“This is a direct transfer of wealth from the American middle class to foreign investors,” Senator Chris Van Hollen, the Democrat from Maryland, told Newsweek. “It’s totally backwards. This provides a huge tax windfall to wealthy foreign stockholders, paid for by middle class American households.”

http://www.newsweek.com/gop-tax-plan-foreign-investors-middle-class-americans-726410

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:39 PM

GreenEyedLefty (1,976 posts)

4. A huge percentage of US currency is abroad, too.

Economists estimate 2/3 of US $100 bills are held outside of the US.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:42 PM

PoindexterOglethorpe (17,710 posts)

6. That, I believe, is strongly tied to the drug trade.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:41 PM

PoindexterOglethorpe (17,710 posts)

5. Somehow I doubt that 48% of all stock is owned by foreign investors.

There's an urban myth out there that China holds most of U.S. debt, when in reality although they are the largest foreign entity to hold U.S. debt, they still own less than 10% of it.

Just based on that I find it highly improbably that 48% of all stock is owned by foreign investors.

Just based on the existence of 401k plans I can doubt that statistic.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:42 PM

Yavin4 (31,794 posts)

7. Well, there are a lot of sovereign wealth funds out there.

Like Saudi Arabia. So, it may not be that far fetched.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:58 PM

PoindexterOglethorpe (17,710 posts)

8. Perhaps.

But that number really feels like the claim that China owns most of U.S. debt, which simply isn't true.

In fact, doing a bit of online research shows that foreigners don't own anywhere near that much.

Just type into the Google: How much U.S. stock is foreign owned. And see for yourself.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:01 PM

Wellstone ruled (34,369 posts)

9. Money as well as Stocks are

Fungible as anything can get. Most of the US debt is held is held via bonds issued to the Social Security Administration. Out standing Debt is held by Japan and Britain with China falling further behind. Believe the Saudi's hold more debt than China.

Banks and Hedge Funds are the largest holders of Stock. And yes,this is a world Economy and if one Doubts,pick any Major Stock and go to their Share Holder Pages and you will be surprised who owns that Stock.

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Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:01 PM

uponit7771 (73,556 posts)

10. Its only 27% but yeah, a good portion of the tax breaks for funds not repatriated go to foreig

... big money.

Welcome to Kansas

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