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My taxes are going UP because of the tax "cut" bill, it looks like. Very depressing.
I was wanting to move, if I could afford this. This may force my hand, to move to a lower-tax state.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politics/calculate-americans-taxes-senate-reform-bill/index.html
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)On the CNN calculator, it says my after-tax income goes up 7.3%
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You either make more $ than I do, and/or you have kids, don't live in a high-tax state, etc.
I'm a retiree, so income is lower...single....high tax state (Louisiana...it's the SALES tax that's high in my parish, believe it or not)....no kids = tax INCREASE. About 2% increase.
unblock
(52,199 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)unblock
(52,199 posts)but it's a whole lot of reshuffling for the 99% while the top 1% make out like bandits.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)It is not an insignificant amount either, BUT... I am not happy about this, at all.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I have 10.75% sales taxes...INCLUDING on food & prescriptions (altho that tax is 6%, not the full 11%). That translates into a LOT of money on a year to year basis.
It hurts to lose that deduction.
I'll probably move.
Amishman
(5,555 posts)But I know this is bad for the health our of country overall due to debt spending and shifting the tax burden away from corporations
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)About half the increase % it is saying here, but it also asked me what state I lived in.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I just plugged in my answers on a site, but didn't save it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Seems like that calculator is judging whether it's a high tax state based on state income tax. But MY high local tax is PARISH tax, not state, and it's SALES taxes, not income tax. It's about 11% on everything (highest in teh nation; if you buy a $30k car, your sales tax would be over $3,200), and 6% of that is on the necessities of GROCERIES and MEDICATION (most states don't charge sales tax on those items).
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)jpak
(41,757 posts)Oh Joy.
A New Mercedes is in my future!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)with an investment account, and a homeowner. So I itemize. I also have HIGH local taxes, which WERE a deduction, but no more.
The Congress people thought that only blue states were high tax states, and they looked at income taxes only. But I live in a red state, and it's the LOCAL SALES TAXES that are high (highest in the nation).
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... tax.
The doubling of the standard isn't going to help there
Also single people with a child who itemize are really screwed no matter what state the live in according to this calc
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Or I guess you mean a disabled adult would qualify as a dependent?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... state they're in
onecaliberal
(32,828 posts)your taxes will go up, pushing your after-tax income down 0.3%
mcar
(42,302 posts)It's still an atrocity.
ProfessorGAC
(65,000 posts)But, we've been in the same house for 30.25 years and paid off the mortgage 17 or 18 years ago. So we don't itemize.
People with high payments for taxes and interest are still going to get the shaft.
My decrease in taxes declines steadily until it becomes an increase in 2025.
So, while this plan personally benefits my wife and i slightly, i don't care. It's still bad fiscal policy, and i don't vote for only what is good for me. There's this whole "promote the general welfare" thing in the Constitution and i'm all in on that.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)Then up an insignificant amount. The difference would be if I had to rely on the ACA for health care. Premiums will have to soar without the mandate
ProfessorGAC
(65,000 posts)Out of curiosity, i reran the calculator for $40-75k, filing jointly, with one kid, in a high state tax area.
Those folks are getting hammered with 10.3, 11.7, and 12.1% REDUCTIONS in after tax income in years 1 through 3. The taxes go up!!!! So much for the middle class tax cut.
There's a 0.4% increase in the 6th year, and then goes slightly negative again for the rest of the time period.
Then i ran it with the >$500k scenario, no kids, filing jointly, and not in a high tax state!
The first 8 years shows tax reductions amounting to a post tax increase of 9.2 - 10.5% for 8 of the 10 years. Then it becomes a tax increase in the last 2 years of around 0.15%.
And this is not supposed to be a tax cut for the rich? Ridiculous.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)almost every mix of parameters.
Not saying this bill is good overall, but I don't think taxes are going up for vast majority of people over the next 8 years or so.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)skewed toward the higher income you have, the more likely you are to get a cut.
My income not high + high tax state + I itemize (have to) + no dependents = higher income tax. It's elementary, my dear Watson.
I didn't "do it wrong." I just clicked on the appropriate boxes. Twice.
I then tried it with a higher income (not MY income), and that resulted in a slight DECREASE in taxes.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's the unique parameters:
lower income + no kids + you have to itemize + high tax state = income tax increase. Because you lose the high tax deduction, and you don't benefit from KIDS and such, and LOWER INCOME rate is slightly higher, I htink.
Remember, it did away with not just the HIGHEST rates, but also the LOWEST rate of tax, I think.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sorry.
You could "marry" a DACA immigrant and both of you would benefit.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Freethinker65
(10,010 posts)Not nearly enough savings to offset thousands of extra $$$ I will be paying if I decide to purchase health insurance on the open market with no ACA (with a pre existing condition) when my husband retires and I lose his employer coverage.
And the deficit created by this MillionaireCare tax scheme will lead to severe cuts in Social Security and Medicare, so essentially my life is screwed, so that he and others get to use a pass through for his investment holdings along with reduced corporate rates with no strings attached and plenty of additional loopholes untouched. Oh, and I currently live in Illinois, one of those blue high tax states that will get screwed as housing prices take a hit (have read the decrease in value will be from 10-20 %).
But the CNN model does not factor in those things. It admits it does not include those and other factors, so is essentially useless to compare much of anything.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)To build up the electoral power of red states and diminish it in blue states.
That's a real goal of this legislation.
EllieBC
(3,013 posts)It's to punish people living in high tax states which are usually blue states.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But you have to research it to know that. It's not the state income tax. It's the extremely high sales taxes in some areas, including in the necessity areas of groceries and prescriptions, which most states don't tax at all.
My sales tax is 10.75%. Groceries & scripts are 5.75%. That can add $2k a year in sales taxes a year for just me...$20,000 in 10 years.
It also has a state income tax.
But what you'll hear most about is the low property tax. It's lower, but not that much lower, and doesn't make up for the extremely high homeowner's insurance (it's a hurricane area).
Texas is a good red state to move to, if you're going to move to one.
FBaggins
(26,729 posts)It's just giving you the average for people within those categories... YMMV (significantly).
MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)and after tax income will go up 2.8%. However I wonder if the widget works accurately because of the nebulous nature of the last question about higher state and local taxes...what constitutes high? We have no sales tax in Montana but our income tax and property tax is obnoxiously high. I got significantly different results depending on if I checked or unchecked that question about height state and local taxes. Im skeptical.
Even if my taxes go down a tiny bit, this turd of a bill is so bad for our country. Bad for morale. Bad for children especially kids at risk. It sickens me.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,302 posts)repealing the ACA mandate. God help those who have to buy on the exchanges. My bracket was up about 20%. Thats only going to get worse unless this thing is reversed.
On edit: and theyre going to gut Social Security and Medicare. Thats what will screw everyone and turn even Republican voters against them.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)People with health care provided by an employer probably get it in the shorts also. Many employers just pass the increase in health care back to the employee because it is prohibitively expensive for them.
When the government takes money out of one part of the equation in health care the bill will always get transferred to another place. The tycoons who own doctor groups, health care plans and hospitals just raise the rates elsewhere.
Over and over again many employers tell the employees they will not be able to get any cost of living increases or raises because all the extra profit is going to pay for healthcare
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's going to be hard to get all Republicans to go for deep cuts, which is what they want. It would kill their careers. Those whose careers aren't killed by this tax bill.
But they're going to use THIS tax bill as an excuse for going after SS & Medicare. They will not rest until they have it ALL, and we will have the poor in the streets begging. That can happen in democracies (India is an example; Mexico is another).
"I have MY money, and none of you losers can have ANY of it!!!" That's the economic policy of the Republican Party.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)And after-tax income increases pretty significantly for the first 5-6 years. It looks like this bill will result in savings for some people, though no idea what percentage of folks will save. Still don't support this bill though.
Johnny2X2X
(19,048 posts)After tax income is dubious as a metric at best. They're assuming you will get a raise directly because of this bill. Taxes paid is the only way to measure this.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)In 2018, your taxes will go down and your after-tax income will go up 4.8%.
Looking to 2027, your taxes will go up, pushing your after-tax income down 0.1%.