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So if Mueller is fired then what is the procedure from the FBI involved in the case? (Original Post) Quixote1818 Dec 2017 OP
Why would Mueller be fired? member12 Dec 2017 #1
Mark Warner seems to know something that has him concerned Quixote1818 Dec 2017 #2
Democrats are justifiably concerned, but marylandblue Dec 2017 #4
Is he on the intelligence committee? JonLP24 Dec 2017 #8
False reasons, of course. sofa king Dec 2017 #6
Depends marylandblue Dec 2017 #3
In the meantime I did find this article Quixote1818 Dec 2017 #5
Investigation will still go forward TEB Dec 2017 #7
We hit the streets with protests in over 400 cities! BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #9
 

member12

(81 posts)
1. Why would Mueller be fired?
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:14 PM
Dec 2017

I'm clearly behind on this....but what BS reasons would Trump give to fire Mueller?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. Democrats are justifiably concerned, but
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:19 PM
Dec 2017

I don't think he knows anything that isn't public knowledge or rumor.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. Is he on the intelligence committee?
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:34 PM
Dec 2017

He could probably sense something brewing in Intel probe. He probably has a lot of info that isn't public knowledge.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
6. False reasons, of course.
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:30 PM
Dec 2017

What the rUSsiAns are probably doing is turning loose every bible-school lawyer they have on the case, searching for any technicality or irregularity they can find. It doesn't matter what it is, how true it is, or anything. One out of four Americans--every one of them a Republican voter--will automatically believe it if Narcissus tells them it's true, and that's a start, anyway, to protecting themselves with a veil of public support.

The only potential "reason" I've even heard of--and not seen myself--was an apparent conflict in the testimony of Mueller and Rosenstein.

But again, as I must repeatedly stress, truth ain't in it. They'll go with whatever they have, as soon as they have to, and they'll use the usual Fox-based disinformation system to pitch it.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. Depends
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:17 PM
Dec 2017

In Watergate, public and congressional pressure forced Nixon to appoint a new special counsel and things went on as before. Trump and Congress may not be so obliging this time.

Also there was lawsuit where a member of Congress someone sued to reinstate the special counsel and one, but by that time it was moot because the job.was already refilled.

I think in this case, Mueller will sue to get his job back.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
5. In the meantime I did find this article
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:22 PM
Dec 2017

Is Trump worse off if he tries?
Harvard Law School Professor Jack Goldsmith, former head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel during George W. Bush's administration, has suggested the President will only come under further scrutiny if he tries to fire Mueller.
"I don't see how firing Mueller gives Trump relief from the investigation. More likely the opposite, since it would call Trump into greater suspicion. Just as it got worse for him after he fired (former FBI Director James) Comey, it would get yet worse for him if he fired Mueller," Goldsmith tweeted.

Jack Goldsmith

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6/ So I don’t see how firing Mueller gives Trump relief from the investigation. More likely the opposite, since it would call Trump into greater suspicion. Just as it got worse for him after he fired Comey, it would get yet worse for him if he fired Mueller.

3:48 AM - Dec 18, 2017
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&quot T)he overall investigation has already yielded fruit and there is a clear justification for it to continue," he added.
Just as the FBI's counterintelligence investigation had been looking into contacts between Russian operatives and individuals associated with the Trump campaign prior to Mueller's appointment in May -- the FBI's probe would not necessarily shut down even if Mueller were out of the picture.
"FBI Director (Christopher) Wray would continue to investigate until ordered not to," Goldsmith said.

Jack Goldsmith

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5/ Pressure in and out of DOJ to appoint Mueller’s successor, as opposed to killing investigation, would be enormous, as would pressure to appoint someone of integrity/independence who would continue pushing hard. FBI Dir. Wray would continue to investigate until ordered not to.

3:46 AM - Dec 18, 2017
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What's at stake if he does it anyway?
The number two Republican in the Senate has said it would be a "mistake" for Trump to fire Mueller and Democrats would undoubtedly go ballistic if he tried.
Yet the legislative proposals floated over the summer to protect the special counsel have, thus far, stalled.
And even if someone tried to file a lawsuit in federal court to stop the President -- it's difficult to envision a realistic scenario where a challenger with adequate standing would have a legal leg to stand on.
As the head of the executive branch, the President is ultimately in charge of law enforcement.
"The President under our Constitution has the prosecution power. So prosecutors serve as an extension of the Presidency," Katyal has said.
But the very idea that Trump might try to fire or order the firing of the prosecutor -- who now charged the President's former campaign aides with federal crimes and secured a cooperation deal with the President's former national security adviser -- strikes some legal experts as an illustration of the inherent flaw in our constitutional design.
Trump is "a stress test for this particular constitutional problem," Harvard Law School Professor Noah R. Feldman told CNN.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/donald-trump-robert-mueller/index.html

TEB

(12,841 posts)
7. Investigation will still go forward
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:31 PM
Dec 2017

If trump manages a Saturday night massacre and congress does nothing. The attorney general of New York has intel as well trump and crew we will see them having a day in court.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
9. We hit the streets with protests in over 400 cities!
Thu Dec 21, 2017, 06:42 PM
Dec 2017

"Nobody Is Above The Law" protests have been planned and growing in number by the week. We are ready to protest within 5 hours. Be ready...could happen any time. Here are links to see where there is a protest near you. We need to get the word out through social media, especially in the red states who watch Fux Ruse and listen to right wing hate radio.
https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/
https://www.marchfortruth.info/partners/
https://www.marchfortruth.info/mueller-rapid-response-2/

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