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Fri Dec 22, 2017, 11:39 AM

 

Top 15 Dem Candidates for 2020 According to the WaPo

Spoiler -- Sanders is 1, Biden 2, Warren 3, Gillibrand 4.

President Trump got his first big legislative accomplishment this week. He also got a slew of very bad polling data.

Polls from Gallup, CNN, Monmouth University and Quinnipiac University all showed Trump's approval rating between 33 percent and 37 percent among the lowest numbers of his entire presidency. And that same CNN poll showed Democrats taking a nearly unheard-of 18-point lead in the 2018 midterm generic ballot, becoming just the latest poll to show a very bad environment for not just Trump but his party, too.

And even one of Trump's better polls from NBC News and the Wall Street Journal showed that just 36 percent of Americans said they would at least "probably" vote to reelect Trump in 2020. A majority (52 percent) said they would at least "probably" vote for someone else. While just 18 percent said they would "definitely" vote for Trump, 38 percent said they would "definitely" vote against him.

Given all of that, and with just one year left until the unofficial start of the 2020 presidential race, you can bet a slew of Democrats are starting to get anxious to run against Trump. And depending on how that 2018 election turns out, you may see a bunch of them get into the race quickly. The field appears certain to be extremely big and wide open, and it could reward those who can lock down a base of support before others with claims to those same bases get in.So whose stock is rising and falling at this early juncture? We ranked the top 15 possible Democratic nominees three months ago, and today we do it again.

As usual, they're ranked in ascending order of likelihood to win the Democratic nomination.


Full list of rankings at the link.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.ecc6097960df

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Reply Top 15 Dem Candidates for 2020 According to the WaPo (Original post)
ClarendonDem Dec 2017 OP
NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #1
StevieM Dec 2017 #10
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #107
StevieM Dec 2017 #108
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #16
NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #19
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #20
NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #21
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #23
delisen Dec 2017 #56
heaven05 Dec 2017 #58
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #68
StevieM Dec 2017 #84
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #91
Hortensis Dec 2017 #98
Alice11111 Dec 2017 #52
NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #59
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #69
NurseJackie Dec 2017 #71
NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #75
Alice11111 Dec 2017 #78
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #88
Alice11111 Dec 2017 #111
Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #50
Ken Burch Dec 2017 #90
NurseJackie Dec 2017 #95
IMnotU Dec 2017 #82
NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #96
IMnotU Dec 2017 #97
lapucelle Dec 2017 #102
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FSogol Dec 2017 #3
Alice11111 Dec 2017 #60
Renew Deal Dec 2017 #63
Jane Austin Dec 2017 #101
delisen Dec 2017 #70
Gothmog Dec 2017 #4
smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #5
Spider Jerusalem Dec 2017 #8
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xmas74 Dec 2017 #25
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Alice11111 Dec 2017 #47
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Alice11111 Dec 2017 #112
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ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #18
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Renew Deal Dec 2017 #66
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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 11:43 AM

1. Weird list

Even the writer admits that age will be a factor (Sanders, Brown, Biden). They may all run, but it's unlikely any of those three can win the nomination. Sanders, for one, is not even a Democrat, and I don't think the DNC will make the same mistake again and allow him to run as one.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:16 PM

10. I can't imagine Sanders won't be allowed to run. I hope he doesn't win but I fully expect

him to run again.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 08:28 PM

107. Oh, Bernie will run alright... and win!! Then he'll mop the floor with the Traitor-in-Chief!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #107)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 08:39 PM

108. The voters will have to decide who the nominee is. My guess is that at least 20 people will run.

Give or take a couple.

I am currently leaning towards Tom Steyer.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 05:28 PM

16. There's no way to bar him from doing so without looking like we're a party of bullies.

 

The best way to prevent Bernie from running again is to add as much of his economic and campaign financing agenda to ours as possible.

He ran last time because there was a large popular demand for what he stood for and nobody else was going to speak to it. The fact that he didn't develop an adequate approach to winning the votes of people of color is actually a sign that he DIDN'T want to run.

Bernie is not the problem and trying to make this party a Bernista-free zone is not going to help us win in '18 OR '20.

Bernistas and non-Bernistas(I'm not talking about 'bros here-they're a lost cause and may never have even been Sanders supporters at all) will have to work together. That can be achieved without anyone in this party being de-centered or betrayed.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 11:08 PM

19. How is it a "party of bullies"

if the Democratic Party requires someone running as a Democrat to actually BE a Democrat? It seems not only reasonable, but pretty basic.

Bernie does not get to dictate the Democratic Party's agenda. Democrats do that. If he wants a say, it's pretty simple what he needs to do.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 11:39 PM

20. His agenda is largely stuff we should be supporting anyway.

 

And it's not about Bernie dictating anything. This has never been about things Bernie supports and no other Dems support.

I get it that his campaign didn't say enough on the stump about historic and continuing oppression(he had a clear commitment to anti-oppression in his actual platform, his supporters have the same views on social oppression as anyone in the party who didn't support the guy, but he didn't communicate it in his speeches and his campaign did not do an effective enough job at listening to communities of color and to women or speaking specifically to them.

That's why I say he should NOT run again.

But while he shouldn't run again, this party needs to add and COMMUNICATE THAT IT HAS ADDED a significant amount of his economic ideas and his commitment to reducing the role of corporate power in politics-and shape all of that into proposals that account and adjust for the effects of historic oppression.

The idea is to add that on economic justice to our existing social justice commitment-and also move at least slightly away from "bear any burden, fight any foe" on foreign policy. It's not about wanting anyone to take over, it's about blending the best with the best.

Doing THAT is the best way to make sure he doesn't run, and we lose nothing by doing that.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:09 PM

21. The Democratic Party added some of "his" ideas

It's true that they emphasized (NOT added) many positions on corporate power (for example). It's debatable whether or not they did it because of Sanders; after all, he doesn't and never has owned those positions all by himself. I know some Berniecrats think so, but it's demonstrably untrue.

Yes, they should keep those positions, but it's unnecessary to call them Bernie Sanders' positions, as if he invented them. The Democratic Party has always stood for curbing unfettered corporate power; it's a matter of emphasis, not something that's brand new to it.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:53 PM

23. It's not about calling them HIS ideas...that wasn't my point at all

 

(As to the last platform...the ideas were added, then the platform went unmentioned in the fall campaign while Sanders people were repeatedly told that their efforts were a pointless failure...clearly we should have LED with the platform-it was just as important as leading with the person, because voters care as much about what we stand for and what we will do as they do about the individual we nominate and care more about what we are promising than they will ever care about how horrible the other other party is).

I'm talking about how we create the conditions in which Bernie doesn't run, and the conditions in which those of his supporters who weren't with us in November of '16 ARE with us in November of '18 and November of '20. We should WANT them to be with us, shouldn't we?

The way to do that is to show(as we chose not to show in the '16 general election campaign)that what his supporters had done had made a difference and had made our platform better, and to accept that they have a legitimate role to play in OUR partybecause we need to give them buy-in with us rather than just demanding that they support our nominee on whatever platform we adopt just to get Trump out.

This party stands for good things. Always has. It does no harm to acknowledge that sometimes we need to stand for better things. that we are usually better when we listen more to voices from below than voices from above, and that we are at our best when we respond to advocacy for change and for better policies. We can win by being a party that is open to debate and discussion, open to honest, respectful conversation.

And while Our Revolution has often expressed itself in a far more harsh and confrontational manner than it should have, if we are honest we should admit that we needed to hear the message, despite its tone.

We can do all of that without, in the slightest, minimizing the effects of Russia, Comey and vote suppression.



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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:06 PM

56. Sanders campaign and followers were too easily manipulated by foreign power.

It ran on slogans instead of facts.

Many of us are facing personal disasters. I will actively oppose any more movements and candidacies of people lacking meaningful foreign policy experience or that present simplistic and bs slogans.

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Response to delisen (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:08 PM

58. +++

 

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Response to delisen (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 09:39 PM

68. Bernie's campaign was never manipulated by foreign power.

 

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And it was never "manipulation" to question the idea that the '16 result was ONLY caused by Russia, Comey, and voter suppression.

It's enough to say those were part of it.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #68)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:13 PM

84. I think the FBI dominated the race from beginning to end.

Russian lies were a distant but decisive second.

The best evidence is that Clinton's economic message resonated more than Trump's did.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #84)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 03:40 PM

91. It likely was the FBI, in many ways.

 

n/t.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:57 PM

98. They were NOT his ideas. They've been liberal Democratic

ideology from the inception of those ideas, and there's nothing new about them.

That's how he's gotten reelected for decades -- calling himself independent, claiming to be above his colleagues and offering something seeming shinier and more determined, suggesting he's just slightly radical, enough to seem exciting but never dangerous, and then voting reliably Democrat along with the people he despises. A winning formula with his constituents. Including the never producing the "more" he only rants about but never delivers.

What I think we're going to see by 2019 is who's replacing him. Judging from the dwindling of mentions here, leftist DUers who also despise mainstream Democratic politicians are about ready for a new leader.

Judging from the breaking up of his post-2016 following into separate, competing groups, it'll also be interesting to see if they can put aside the typical quarrels already developing to come together behind one person. That last has always been a severe weak point.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:59 PM

52. True, he is not a Democrat. I respect him for his contributions

to our country. Face it, one reason we Dems let him run as a Dem is that it would divide the votes and make it impossible for Dems to win, if he ran as an Independent.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:13 PM

59. I'm really tired of the implied blackmail

Either respect* Bernie Sanders or he'll run as an Independent out of pure pique even when he KNOWS he'll divide the vote. To hell with the country.

*give him whatever he wants.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 09:44 PM

69. It was never reasonable to act as if HRC was owed an uncontested nomination.

 

She was a good candidate, but simply ONE good candidate of several. And no one is ever owed a presidential nomination.

If Bernie had stayed out of the primaries, Trump would have carrieed the Electoral College anyway.

And it's not about "respecting Bernie"-it's about accepting that we have to INCLUDE the issues his campaign raised as part(not all, but part) of our message.

Is that such a terrible thing?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 10:00 AM

71. What are you talking about? Nobody is doing that. Nobody is saying that.

69. It was never reasonable to act as if HRC was owed an uncontested nomination.
What are you talking about? Nobody is doing that. Nobody is saying that.

And no one is ever owed a presidential nomination.
Who are you talking to? Nobody is saying that. It's a strawman argument you're making and knocking over... but for what purpose?

Is that such a terrible thing?
Depends on what you're talking about.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #71)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:32 PM

75. +1,000

Thank you. Sometimes I just have to shake my head in perplexity at some of the stuff said here.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:10 PM

78. I think Hillary adopted Bernies positions, but thr Repubs creamed

her with lies and conspiracy theories that noone in their right mind...Fox Repubs...would believe. They were euphoric on Hillary Hate.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #78)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:34 PM

88. The Right WAS AND IS euphoric on Hillary Hate.

 

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But that's the Right, not the prohibitive majority of Sanders supporters.

Support for Sanders was based almost entirely on the fact that those who backed him saw him as the only person in the race addressing
the set of issues he emphasized, not sexism, not dismissal of social justice Sanders supporters-whatever you might say about Bernie's personal emphases-were and are just as anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobia, anti-xenophobia and pro-choice as HRC supporters.

And I strongly suspect that the vast majority of HRC supporters never thought economic justice and social justice were in any actual way in conflict, or that economic justice as a concept was something they thought needed to be put aside.

There was never a difference on the actual issues between the voters for each candidate, there's no reason the voters for each can't now find common ground, there's no valid reason to try to exclude or silence either group, so whatever anyone might think of either candidate, can we at all agree that the artificial divisions created by the primary should finally be ended so we can all accept that we are all, on the Left, on the same freaking side?

What matters is unity and the future.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #88)

Tue Dec 26, 2017, 03:24 AM

111. Well stated. I very much agree.


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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:51 PM

50. He is not a Democrat and I hope he does not run or we could have the same sort of thing as

16. We need fresh faces.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #50)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:50 PM

90. I don't want him to run again either. You know that.

 

The best way to make sure that he doesn't is to embrace the economic ideas from his campaign-just call it "full democracy" and embrace his supporters-IN ADDITION to continuing to embrace the supporters we have now.

The worst way is for people to refuse to let up on "Bernie caused Trump/Bernie had no business running" canards and to treat Sanders supporters like they're the enemy and should just shut up and do what they're told.

It's not possible to simply bar him from the next primaries and then STILL demand that his supporters back whoever we nominate.

We need new ideas, but we need the ideas from that campaign as part of those ideas.

We can't win if we anathemize anyone and anything even remotely connected to what his campaign was about. His proposals weren't unpopular and they weren't wrong. And they can't be blamed for what happened in November, because the campaign we ran after Philly virtually never mentioned those...the televised message was boiled down almost entirely to "it's time to elect a woman", "defend choice" and "Trump is a predatory scumbag"-all of which were and are valid points, but none of which were ever going to put us over the top in and of themselves.

2016 was a disaster, we all agree on that, but it serves no purpose to blame the Sanders movement for it any more than to blame HRC as an individual-which is why I never do that-or to keep arguing that he should have been barred from the primaries when the approach the party had been using on a lot of issues made something like the Sanders movement inevitable.

And if Bernie had actually wanted to destroy this party or had secretly wanted to help Trump, he would have accepted Stein's offer of the Green ballot line for November. He refused to do that.

It would have made no difference if the nomination had been settled in March and the attack ads against Trump had started three months earlier. If none of the attack ads the other GOP candidates ran made any difference against Trump, why would running any of the attack ads we ran after the convention-none of which ever swung a single "moderate suburban Republican woman" voter towards us, why would it have served any purpose at to run even MORE attack ads?


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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #90)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:02 PM

95. Nobody is doing that. Nobody is saying that.

We can't win if we anathemize anyone and anything even remotely connected to what his campaign was about.
Nobody is doing that. Nobody is saying that. Why are you "defending" against something that's not even happening? What good purpose does that serve?

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:00 PM

82. Do you want him to run as an independent?

 

If he ran the last time as an independent I think he might have won

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #82)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:38 PM

96. I don't want him to run at all

but I REALLY don't want him to run as a Democrat, unless he becomes one and sticks to it. I'm not going to argue about whether or not he would have won, but he really shouldn't run again.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #96)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:40 PM

97. We would all be better off if we had open primaries

 

Candidates would not have to move to extremes to attract the activist true-believers.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #97)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:30 PM

102. In my local county election, a Republlican ran unopposed for executive,

and a different Republican primaried the Democratic candidate. Because I live in a closed primary state, we did not wind up with a choice between two Republicans in the GE.

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Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:30 PM

103. ...



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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 11:54 AM

2. 1-4 will not be the nominee!

 

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 11:58 AM

3. Ridiculous list. Did all the real journalists at the Post take the Holidays off?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:16 PM

60. !!!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:39 PM

63. Who is missing?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #63)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:19 PM

101. Jason Kandor n/t

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 10:15 PM

70. Apparently. It s really insulting to Democrats.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 12:49 PM

4. This list is a complete joke

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 01:00 PM

5. God, how depressing. None of these candidates are inspiring.

Hopefully there will be a dark horse that comes out in the next few years to take the lead.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 03:22 PM

8. I'd keep my eye on Joe Kennedy III (n/t)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:26 PM

11. So am I. He's really one of the only people who has inspired me yet.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:59 PM

25. I've said the same for several months.

I think he could be a force to reckon. He could be an incredible candidate.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:41 PM

31. Yes. Kennedy and Booker.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:42 PM

33. the problem is that they are both east coast, maybe. Brown

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:13 PM

80. he is anti-cannabis patient, pro drug war. No thanks

the voters have spoken in the majority of states on medical cannabis legalization and a growing number on recreational

we are not letting a politician like him erase the progress and drag us back into prohibition. no way

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:14 PM

9. I am hoping for Tom Steyer. (eom)

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:05 PM

43. I bet that list changes.. it has

to!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:08 PM

77. I like Eric Swalwell, but he's a little green & not old enough, but give him a few more years.



The party needs to get these young dems out there, front & center & get them some name & face recognition before 2020.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 03:09 PM

6. No, this is NOT "according to the WaPo"

This is an opinion piece by Aaron Blake. His opinions are his own.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 03:13 PM

7. None of the top 4

Biden, perhaps, but hopefully not.

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:48 PM

34. Too old. He has never made it through a primary. We love

Joe, but he won't take us over tbe finish line.

Booker needs to be on the ticket.

I will vote Dem, no matter, but I will not support with my time or money any ticket that Gillibrand is on. I will support Biden, but there are people that have a better chance of winning.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:00 PM

53. Joe vs. Trump

I think he could win that. They can't make as much of age as they'd both be old. Joe might have the personality to be able to make fun of Donald. He has experience debating Palin, another ridiculous candidate.

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Response to treestar (Reply #53)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:06 PM

57. I like Joe, but we need someone else. Joe has never even

been able to carry a Dem primary. Nonetheless, if Joe is the nominee, I will work hard for him.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:27 PM

12. M$M is deserate for Sanders to run again. Falling all over themselves desperate.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:39 PM

13. Not Only the MSM

The Republicans would just lo-o-ove Sanders to run. Anyone who thought Clinton's campaign beat up on Bernie would be in for a rude awakening.

This list is opinion-based, not better than anyone here might draw up.

Besides, let's concentrate on 2018. First things first.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:47 PM

14. agreed

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 04:48 PM

15. What about Cuomo? I like him.

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 11:41 AM

73. Chris would actually make our best candidate!!! I don't know what, if any, are his negatives other

 

than not being interested or deferring to his older brother. I will now find out from our more astute members...

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 05:32 PM

17. 2020? we'll be lucky to still be a democracy by then

2020 seems like pretty far-out speculative stuff, given that we still have 2018 to get through
if Democrats don't take back some of those state houses and governorships in 2018, 2020 is going to be just another fucking miserable year in what will have become a fairly long string of them by then.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:39 PM

47. Not as far fetched as it sounds. We never expected that

a US Prez would want to separate immigrant kids and parents; fire all of the scientists; discredit all media but his own propaganda station; discredit the FBI; stir up war in the middle east; alienate Mexico and be condemned by the UN.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:19 PM

87. I agree in part with what you are saying. But I would also be pretty scared for our democracy if we

we currently living under President Scott Walker. This crisis goes so much further than Donald Trump. He is the ultimate symptom, not the main cause.

Are you familiar with Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach? Be afraid. He strikes me as a future dictator of America.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #87)

Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:45 AM

112. I get depressed everytime I hear this stuff. I suppose it is better than apathetic.

The Repubs support each other, waive the flag and stick together, as least the facade. They fight for each other until there is no hope, while.using lying and cheating, and whatever it takes (NBD, that's their culture, ), whether they are right.or wrong.

They sure don't threw their winners overbard with jealous mobs,. Other than 2 or 3 lemmings, who stand alone, in the rush to shut down our most effective, we cast them aside with the speed of light BEFORE the facts can be brought.out.
We have a.lot of work to do becase we have some deep psychlogical and jealousy problems. The no due process aspect,.means we did either did.not follow or have comepent legal staff either.
Personally, I think we need a purge in order to retain kiour credibility or we won't be the party who survives

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 04:37 PM

94. Agree

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 22, 2017, 05:32 PM

18. I'd be good with a ticket

 

Of Booker/Gillibrand. Biden is the safe choice.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:30 PM

29. Booker, yes. G, hell no.

She would never get elected and she would sink any Dem she gets near.


We need to win this time, and we can't take reckless chances. We would never win with her. She is way, way more divisive than Hillary or Bernie ever were.
She needs to keep a low profile. I have worked and raised money for Dems, almost every election. If she is on the ticket, Dems get my vote, nada mas, nary a dime.

She has done enough damage to our party to last a lifetime.

but not the one who throws out Dems from the Senate and goes after Bill C.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 06:02 PM

37. I think Gillibrand has a lot more support than her detractors on this website claim

 

She'd be a fine candidate, and almost certainly would have the support of the vast majority of Dems.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 06:48 PM

39. If Hillary couldn't win why would think she could?? Asking

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:27 PM

40. I would argue that Gillibrand

 

Has much less baggage--whether justified or not--than HRC. It felt like there was a fairly large portion of voters who simply would not vote for HRC. Maybe Gillibrand will be the same?

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Response to ClarendonDem (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:46 PM

48. If we are talking baggage, wrong candidate! We must WIN!

I love Hillary, but I don't want her to run again...too much IRRATIONAL, STUPID, Hillary Hate.

G has at least as much, IMO, but not the experience or judgment. I'm sure the Repubs would love Gillibrand or Hillary because they can drive a wedge among voters.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 12:11 PM

74. I don't think many Dems wants to see HRC run again

 

Though I'll support whoever the Dems nominate.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Reply #74)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:11 PM

79. Agree. TINA.

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 03:59 PM

93. My argument is that we have the best chance of winning with a good female candidate.

Trump will have his record working against him, he won't be the new thing where people will forgive his behavior. His 25% base will be with him, but the 75% will be looking for anyone else, we just need to run a hardworking candidate that is alert and well spoken, and has government experience - after Trump more people are seeing that we need people that have run government offices before.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:14 PM

22. Julian Castro?




I'd vote for him in the Primary.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:13 PM

28. He's my first choice

Young, energetic, basically no political baggage, would get a massive minority vote.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:47 PM

49. Good pick too. Booker, Kennedy, Castro among the tops.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 26, 2017, 09:47 AM

113. Me too!!!

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:54 PM

24. Looking forward to Bernie running again

 

Can't think of anyone I'd rather see in the WH.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:01 PM

26. As far as I am concerned we already have THE ONE



Adam Shiff

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Response to Botany (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:04 PM

27. Cool

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Response to Botany (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:37 PM

30. He has been a good Dem warrior. I respect him, but can he win?

We have to take on lying, cheating Repubs, and we need someone with a lot of charisma. Sounds so shallow.
However, we have seen that having the most qualified candidate ever is not enough.

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Response to Botany (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:45 PM

42. I like him very much! I could see him filling the VP slot... groomed and prepared for...

... for the top of the ticket. He's a winner!!


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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:41 PM

32. I vote for a Warren/Sanders ticket.

Recommended.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:59 PM

35. no to either

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 12:38 PM

45. Wouldn't be my first choice

 

But I could get on board. I'd worry about how much that ticket would connect outside the northeast though.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 06:43 PM

38. Sanders NO!! He did not do near enough to support our candidate in 2016

He should have been out there everyday following the primaries, as Hillary did for Barack. When the his chances fizzled he went back to being an independent. He bashes the dems ALL the time. He is much too old, he's proven that he wants things his way, and only his way...not a team player. Why would the dems support him??!!

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:49 PM

66. Bernie Sanders broke his promise to become a Democrat.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:31 PM

41. Put me down as a ROCK SOLID ABSOLUTE NO for the person in the #1 slot!!!!!!!! God no. And...

... a big fat NO for slots 2-4 when it comes to our party's nomination. I'd never support any of them during the Democratic primaries.

Harris, Booker, Winfrey and Johnson... all POC... definitely excite me! Depending on how their campaigns are run will affect my decision on whether I view them as being viable candidates and actual contenders.

It's fun to play this game, but there's no way to know for sure... only time will tell.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:52 PM

51. I wouldgo for Booker or Winfrey. If it takes a celebrity to

Win,and if it lookslike she could, whatever. At least, we know she will get competent people around her with experience.

I would even go for Oprah, Booker, but we need to test poll voters. We have to win! The Most important thing is to win!!

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:56 PM

44. Bull crap! "The Rock" and Oprah Winfrey?

Not a serious list.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 12:39 PM

46. I thought those two were definitely out of left field

 

But the rest seem pretty serious to me.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:48 PM

65. Oprah will not run and couldnt win.

Im not convinced that The Rock would run as a Democrat. Politically Im sure he??s left of center, but I think he would go independent.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:42 PM

89. I thought "The Rock" was a Republican

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #89)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 03:42 PM

92. And at one point, I'd thought he was Canadian.

 

In a weird way, "The Rock" is comparable to "Ike"- if "Ike" had been a star of action movies rather than a World War II general.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:04 PM

54. really

 

???? and let us keep vetting....it's early yet......

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:05 PM

55. Have we forsken

Joe Lieberman?

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #55)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:17 PM

61. Yes! Years ago. Turncoat.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 08:21 PM

106. He became an Independent some time ago

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:38 PM

62. I dont think Warren wants to be president

Shes doesnt act like someone who wants to do that. Im also not convinced that people will want a first term president approaching or past life expectancy.

Chris Murphy is interesting.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:47 PM

64. The writer of this...

...needs a new assignment!

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 03:11 PM

67. Sanders/Warren video: I think this looks like a real serious ticket

Note the language at 2:00: "we" want etc. Now, that could easily be we democrats, but it sounds like a platform to me.

around 8:30: "That's what Bernie and I are fighting for. We're in this fight all the way. We need you in it too"

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 10:46 AM

72. I predict the nominee is not on this list

 

There will be a dark horse candidate that comes up and takes it

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #72)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:14 PM

85. I am looking for Tom Steyer to be that dark horse. (eom)

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:04 PM

76. Elizabeth Warren's voice grates on me, & while Gillibrand's voice isn't grating,

I think a woman running for president is going to have to have a lower timbre to her voice. HRC had a great political voice & I think Kamala Harris does, too.

Surprised to see The Rock & Oprah on that list. Can we stop electing people with zero government experience into the highest office of the land?

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #76)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 10:43 PM

109. WTF?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #109)

Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:50 AM

115. I like nice voices.

In case you're thinking it's sexist, there are a slew of men with unpleasant voices too, like Richard Blumenthal.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:17 PM

81. East and West

Chris Murphy and Adam Schiff, or vice versa.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:01 PM

83. That's OK. In 2002 and 2003, the first on a similar list was Joe Lieberman.. (nt)

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:18 PM

86. Kamala Harris

Is my pick. New face nationally.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:16 PM

99. Brian Schweitzer, Kamala Harris

 

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #99)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:17 PM

100. Doubt either is the nominee

 

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #99)

Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:22 AM

114. No! Kamela.Harris She was one of the lemmings who threw

Al over WITHOUT DUE.PEOCESS!!! Not the ring leader,.but she ruhed to.prevent due process.

Ill work for Dems, raising money for the Senate, but never her. Perhaps, if she atoned, and really tried to change things, but I think it is all to complicated now.

If she is the only choice of a Dem in an election, I will hold.my.nose and vote.

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:32 PM

104. Bernie is the only one on the list who can win the GE

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:59 PM

105. Democratic party members only thanks...

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Response to ClarendonDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 10:44 PM

110. Dumbass list. The Rock and Oprah in the top 10? Who wrote this joke?

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