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Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:30 AM

Men Resist Green Behavior as Un-Manly

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/men-resist-green-behavior-as-un-manly/

The research, conducted with three other colleagues, consisted of seven experiments involving more than 2,000 American and Chinese participants. We showed that there is a psychological link between eco-friendliness and perceptions of femininity. Due to this “green-feminine stereotype,” both men and women judged eco-friendly products, behaviors, and consumers as more feminine than their non-green counterparts. In one experiment, participants of both sexes described an individual who brought a reusable canvas bag to the grocery store as more feminine than someone who used a plastic bag—regardless of whether the shopper was a male or female. In another experiment, participants perceived themselves to be more feminine after recalling a time when they did something good versus bad for the environment.

Men may eschew green products and behaviors to avoid feeling feminine. In one study, we threatened the masculinity of male participants by showing them a pink gift card with a floral design and asking them to imagine using the card to purchase three products (lamp, backpack, and batteries). Compared to men shown a standard gift card, threatened men were more likely to choose the non-green rather than green version of each item. The idea that emasculated men try to reassert their masculinity through non-environmentally-friendly choices suggests that in addition to littering, wasting water, or using too much electricity, one could harm the environment merely by making men feel feminine.

Ironically, although men are often considered to be less sensitive than women, they seem to be particularly sensitive when it comes to perceptions of their gender identity. In fact, a previous study suggests that men find it to be more difficult than women to choose between masculine and feminine versions of everyday food and household items and will usually change their preferences to be more manly when allowed time to think about their decisions. Something as simple as holding a purse, ordering a colorful drink, or talking in a high voice can lead to social harm, so men tend to keep a sharp eye out for any of these potential snares.

So what can pro-environmental marketers do to buffer against the threat posed to men by the green-feminine stereotype? First, eco-friendly marketing messages and materials can be designed to affirm men’s masculinity and give them the confidence to overcome their fear of being judged as feminine when engaging in green behaviors. For example, in one experiment, men who received feedback affirming their masculinity were more interested in purchasing an eco-friendly version of a cleaning product. Men who feel secure in their manhood are more comfortable going green.


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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:32 AM

1. So "toxic masculinity" is no longer merely a metaphor? Great.... nt

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:51 PM

12. I don't think there is any such thing as "toxic masculinity".

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 03:21 PM

54. wow

 

Harvey Weinstein et al notwithstanding.

just, wow

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Response to shanny (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:07 PM

59. He is a monster by why tar all men with his evil? There are evil men and women in this world...

I don't believe in labeling.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:28 PM

24. Masculinity inferiority. nt

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:34 AM

2. The fear of anything feminine or perceived feminine. Nt

 

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Response to Anny61 (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:27 PM

23. Welcome to DU,,,,,Comrade!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:40 PM

32. Why use comrade?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:55 PM

52. why not?

com·rade

ˈkämˌrad,ˈkämrəd/
noun
noun: comrade; plural noun: comrades

a companion who shares one's activities or is a fellow member of an organization.
synonyms: companion, friend

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #52)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 03:23 PM

55. Even if used in good faith, the word is rather loaded and best avoided.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 03:24 PM

56. One's reaction to the word tells me much,,,,,,,,,

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:21 PM

62. What does it tell you?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 10:08 PM

73. stuff i dont discuss on DU,,,,,,,,

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #73)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 01:43 AM

75. Why not discuss? What would be the consequences?

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:54 PM

37. Excuse me?

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:56 PM

53. Pardon the Welcome

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:45 AM

3. Must be horrifically insecure in their masculinity. n/t

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:51 AM

4. I would have bought the lamp

already have a backpack

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:53 AM

5. They needed a study to figure this out? Wall Street has known about it for days

Just recently there was some sort of mini-van commercial that while extolling its virtues tried to be funny by having the guy driving it run into one of his motorcycle-riding buddies at the gas station and trying to look cool and having that ruined by his wife who leans out the window to say hi to the motorcycle buddy and to ask her husband if his hands are chapped and if he needs to borrow some of her aloe-vera hand softener.

TlalocW

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:57 AM

7. That was a Progressive (Insurance) commerical. n/t

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:20 PM

19. Actually, the motorcycle is the greener product when compared to a minivan

The humor is from the guy being emasculated, but riding the bike is the greener choice. The opposite of what the article purports.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:42 PM

33. Production AND operation are greener. Yep.

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:24 PM

22. Yes, the "mini van" has been lampooned for years. For me, its better than a truck.

 

All contents inside, sliding doors on either side for easy access to contents, rides better, buy a used one MUCH cheaper.
And notice the MANLY truck ads.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:35 PM

29. Sliding doors?

"Why does your door do that?"

"Because sliding doors are the only intelligent way to put doors on a minivan."

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:56 AM

6. Title should read: Insecure Men Resist Green Behavior as Un-Manly

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:29 PM

25. yes indeed

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:29 PM

46. "Not all insecure men!" cried the righteously indignant.

"Not all insecure men!" cried the righteously indignant while looking for any reason possible to be offended by the merely benign.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 07:56 PM

67. +1

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 11:58 AM

8. Hey ass hats.

 

If "manly" is your thing. How about fishing, hunting, climbing, etc. Do you want to preserve those "manly" activities for future "men"?

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:10 PM

9. Toxic Masculinity Teaches It's Manly to Destroy Things

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:18 PM

10. Yes, Grist did some coverage on this article, too:

Link to their analysis here: http://grist.org/briefly/toxic-masculinity-is-probably-destroying-the-planet/

Toxic masculinity is probably destroying the planet. A recent article in Scientific American shed light on why some men aren’t embracing eco-friendly behaviors. It may have less to do with what they think about the environment, and more to do with gender roles.
After conducting a series of studies with more than 2,000 participants in the U.S. and China, researchers found a cognitive link between greenness and femininity. Basically, eco-friendly behaviors like shopping with a reusable grocery bag are perceived as more feminine, so men are less inclined to do them.

This could be part of the reason why women have done more to reduce waste and curb global carbon emissions than men.


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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:50 PM

11. I don't buy this...my hubs is dedicated to saving the environment. I am sick of this sort of article

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:54 PM

13. What do you mean by "this sort of article"?

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:08 PM

60. Attacking groups of people ...men or women etc.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:13 PM

61. How is this an attack?

If a behavior is identified across a subset, wouldn't it be useful to know it, so we can understand it better?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:38 PM

30. It's about studying populations. Not anecdotes.

Being around engineers and software developers all the time, my knee-jerk reaction is to reject this as bullshit. All the people I hang out with and work with, are deeply interested in conservation, for a variety of reasons including cost savings over time.

But I take a breath, and think.

This article isn't saying ALL MEN. It's a statistical correlation. It isn't saying your husband isn't dedicated to saving the environment. It's talking about a population average.

I constantly have to remind myself, I don't surround myself with the average kinda person, male or female. Please consider that as well, when reading these sorts of articles.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:02 PM

38. If some, many, average, a number of... men was used

Then perhaps you would be correct. It wasn't written that way. It wasn't posted that way. It generalizes for effect and is yet another condemnation of men in general. I am tired of it. I generally don't bother debating these points with the people that make these insulting generalizations because it is pointless.

If articles were written condemning the behavior of certain women but instead simply stated women there would be outrage and it would be justified. It's hypocrisy and I'm over it

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Response to tymorial (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:33 PM

47. Thank you. nt

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Response to tymorial (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:51 PM

66. Its about a study, for Petes sake. So you know within it theyll discuss percentages and stats.

 

How can you learn anything new with this closed minded defensive attitude? It serves no one to react emotionally to academic studies.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #66)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 10:22 PM

74. back to the

perceived slight of not saying *some* men.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 08:37 AM

81. I have to say, I consider this study pop psychology bullshit...it is not even

'real' psychology. or sociology..and they assume a great deal when making this claim that I dispute...if you start with a false premise, all else is flawed. How would you go about 'proving' their hypothesis assuming they even have one...I am as you might guess scientifically trained and worked in research for some years and in business...taught High School and some college courses as well. My hubs is an engineer and we moved quite a bit. You know this is a bullshit article and this publication has slipped over the years. Einstein used to publish there. I adore Einstein and with the exciting discoveries in Physics am sorry I didn't go that route sometimes; he wouldn't publish there now. I hate junk science where they breathlessly announce some new 'discovery' everyday...and it is junk science that is used to attack climate change and even evolution. This sort of thing causes a great deal of damage in my opinion...it also reduces the credibility of the scientific community as these folks muddy the water with their pseudo-science bullshit.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:42 PM

34. An annecdote doesn't refute data

 

To quote Neil de Grasse Tyson, the great thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not.

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Response to mythology (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 08:23 AM

80. you can't trust 'studies' like this. I would have to look at the Data closely and even then...

I am not sure my anecdote is that much worse than this study. I consider stuff coming out of this publication lately...junk science. I don't buy this article because it would be impossible to prove one way or the other to any accuracy.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 09:40 PM

71. Your husband sounds like a strong, secure man then

On the other hand, I work with a ton of men that fit this article to a T.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:57 PM

14. I remember reading a study that republicans will NOT chose a similar product marked "green"

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 12:58 PM

15. Wow. My father was one of the first to recycle and always taught us to conserve water.

He was a big 6 foot plus guy. It would never have occurred to him to think that was “feminine” behavior. How utterly stupid.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:39 PM

31. The article is about a statistical average, not your father.

Please try to separate the two.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:43 PM

35. Ooh, so sorry if I somehow offended you. It is still stupid behavior.

Gosh thought this was a discussion board. I just wanted to add something from my own experience. I do hope your day improves!

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:44 PM

36. Might be a communication issue.

"How utterly stupid'

Was this not in reference to the article/conclusions? It's a refrain that can be found in a couple other poster's comments in this thread, that the study must be wrong/dumb, etc, because anecdotes.

If that's not what you meant, then I withdraw the comment.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:35 PM

48. I'd pretend an objectively neutral response referencing math implied offense as well

I'd pretend an objectively neutral response referencing math implied offense as well if I had nothing of substance to ad.

I'd also fixate on my personal experience over that of science were my biases predisposed as such, regardless of any petulant allegation of a better day I'd ad to better cower behind passive behavior.

No doubt, you'll rationalize otherwise... which will be bemusing in and of itself.

I do however, like your minor variation on the "I have a right to my opinion!!!!" t-shirt.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:13 PM

40. My father fined me 25 cents whenever I left the room and didn't turn the light off

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:27 PM

45. If I did that to my wife, I'd be rich

Of course it's already my money so it would be pointless.

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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:47 PM

50. It adds up for an elementary school kid

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:38 PM

49. Right?

Grown ass (read this as EMOTIONALLY MATURE) Men should be smart enough to understand the back - end math of solar panels...because only an absolute idiot would choose to pay an electric bill when one doesn't have to.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:04 PM

16. In other words, despite a million years of human evolution, men still think with their dicks. nt

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:11 PM

17. I call it testosterone poisoning.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:14 PM

18. Read the article

It doesn't entirely make the sexy point.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:20 PM

20. "Mother" Earth - men who do not believe in environmental protection or Climate Change are typically

misogynist or at least sexist - they have no (or less) respect for women or anything considered female - including the Earth.

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Response to CousinIT (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 05:22 PM

82. Interesting idea that was explored in this trippy horror movie called Mother....

 

Sort of about the love hate relationship that men have with the nurturing and (literal) home making aspects of womanhood. Hard to explain. Disturbing stuff.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:21 PM

21. I have no doubt that this study's findings are true, but I had to laugh out loud at

this sentence:

Ironically, although men are often considered to be less sensitive than women, they seem to be particularly sensitive when it comes to perceptions of their gender identity.

I have to believe that the writer was LOL himself/herself when writing this. Any woman who hasn't lived in a cave for her whole life knows that loads of men are totally sensitive to their own well being/self-esteem/gender identity issues, but almost unconscious to anyone else's feelings about the same issues - "eh, get over it, you're being too sensitive."

It's a big blind spot, for sure. And it's why the environment will continue to be trashed until we're up against the wall environmentally.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:30 PM

26. Insecure, tiny penises will destroy the world.

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Response to dchill (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:35 PM

28. Congrats, you're no better.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 03:44 PM

58. I can't figure out how you got to that...

dimly lit corner.

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Response to dchill (Reply #58)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:13 PM

64. Well maybe some day you'll take a closer look at your post and figure it out.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 01:33 PM

27. interesting. short story:

went to my daughter's house on christmas.
my son-in-law balled up a couple big sheets of clean tin foil in the garbage can after they were draped over a cooking dish for a few minutes. when he opened the lid to the garbage i saw cardboard, plastic bottles, and tin cans inside.

"you know, you can recycle all of this, right?" i asked him. "why aren't you doing that?"

he shrugged and told me my daughter rinses out cans and sets them aside to recycle sometimes.

they both LIVED with me for a couple years! (my daughter grew up with me--she should completely know better. and he knows better too--i had him recycling for a couple years--something he had never done before)

i said, in effect: "hey--it's your deal now. i've done more than my share to help the environment. it's gonna have a bigger impact on you and your future kids then it is on me."

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:03 PM

39. I see it all the time

I work in a ‘manly’ field. Everyone drives trucks because of the nature of what we do, both at work and for recreation. Anytime someone buys a second car that is small and green they catch hell from their conservative coworkers. And if they get a hybrid then the rants about gov’t subsidies starts up.

It’s all about their insecurity of living up to some mythical manly image.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:19 PM

41. Building solar panels and wind turbines is un-manley?

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:22 PM

42. Tell these manly folks to eat tarballs and drink frackwater

to prove it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:22 PM

43. ...but, if I don't buy a two ton, diesel F-150000 with dual car crushing tires...


my wee wee will shrink.

The TV done told me.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 10:06 PM

72. ...

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:24 PM

44. Can we seriously put women in charge now?

No sarcasm here, we've given men more than a fair shake and it's time for a change.

I've got no problem playing a support role from now on.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 02:50 PM

51. 20-plus years ago in reading about "Eco-Feminism" there was a prescient essay warning against ...

...allowing Ecology to be segregated into the category of so-called "women's issues." Once that happens, the author pointed out, it becomes as easy to dismiss as childcare, children's health, women's health, women's work, women's pay (and by this time I was gritting my teeth) -- all the things that get shunted aside as not the problem of the men in power because they "belong" to women.

I was actively on the Goddess path at the time, and was interested in exploring the spiritual dimensions of many things I had long supported, such as ecology. I made a conscious decision to "think spiritually; act politically."

I thought we had made so much progress as a society -- sheesh, Nixon himself signed the EPA laws. Yet here we are in this season of backlash and regression, where all the shit we thought we had left behind or at least made socially unacceptable is exposed for all the world to see: racism, homophobia, misogyny, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, Nazism, and now (some) men's phallic fears of emasculation affecting their behavior when it comes to a healthy planet.

Backlash. Regression. Trump.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 03:36 PM

57. It's not manly.

It's adulty.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 05:55 PM

63. absolutely true; anything "female" is bad. nt

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 06:22 PM

65. I work in a unionized factory. I get it, daily.

90% middle-aged men. Lots of pickups and Harley's in the parking lot. Daily talk about manly stuff like hunting, fishing, fixing things, how much fucking you did over the weekend from the wife or girlfriend (or both), etc.

After 10 years of driving a subcompact car getting 45 mpg (and now a small crossover that still gets 30+ mpg average), I STILL get shit weekly about my little girly car. How I'll never pick up chicks with it (doesn't matter I've been married a decade now).

Same goes for my love of gardening. That's a woman's hobby, they say. Doesn't matter that I also hunt, fish, and grew up on a farm driving heavy machinery since I was 13, or that I can bench my own weight in the gym without breaking a sweat. You try to talk to them about declining bee populations and prairie restorations, and their eyes glaze over.

And the fact I wanted, and had, a girl and never tried for a boy after because one child is better for the planet? Holy shit, they lose their minds. Then I throw in how we always play together, we hunt Pokemon together, we read to each other every night, etc, and I'm sure they haven't idea how to quantify me.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 08:27 PM

68. Anybody who rides a bicycle can tell you about the guys with absurdly clean and huge pickup trucks.

No scratches on the bed.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 08:53 PM

69. Most men find it hard to be unmanly in front of other men.

I think it's sexy when men show their feminine side. Guess that's why my husband is a feminist.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Fri Dec 29, 2017, 09:13 PM

70. Hmmm ... not true of any of the men I know

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Response to Raine (Reply #70)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 05:27 PM

83. I know, right?

None I know like that either.

Curious how the study would go in Germany and other European countries where recycling is the norm, if not required.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 02:52 AM

76. There's a male in this household who...

Just doesn't want to be bothered. Yes, he's physically kinda lazy (but certainly not mentally).

Another factor is that any behavior that differs from the norm embarrasses him, whereas I don't mind even making an ass of myself for a good cause. So, who are the bigger conformists, men or women? I guess it depends on the person.




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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 04:02 AM

77. Unmanly and elitist

Much of this can be placed at the feet of corporations. They have been using propaganda (PR) that tells men that environmental issues are feminine and also are products of the educated, better that thou crowd that wants to tell working people what to do. These divides have been fostered by PR firms for a long time. Gender and class divide.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 04:50 AM

78. The irony!

The irony of insecure men being afraid of being perceived as insecure... I honestly just don’t understand it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Original post)

Sat Dec 30, 2017, 06:33 AM

79. I believe it has much more to do with ignorance and stupidity than masculinity.

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