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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAl Franken steps down today
He had asked for a hearing before an ethics committee.
Instead he was told to STFU and get out.
Some will cheer his fate.
I will not.
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)was railroaded. And he didn't even have a hearing.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Politics has no sense of scale.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)A loss for America. By the way, if Sen. Gillibrand thinks she got closer to the Dem nomination in 2020 by railroading Al, she is deeply mistaken.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)leftstreet
(36,106 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Might come as a surprise to Amy Klobuchar.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I think that ALL of Minnesota's statewide offices are held be Democrats, but somehow Franken stepping down gives his seat to a republican. The logic jump astounds me.
mn9driver
(4,423 posts)This is the genius of the Democratic Party leadership.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)dalton99a
(81,451 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)dalton99a
(81,451 posts)It was unfair, unnecessary, and utterly stupid
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This will go down as a "how not to" all the way around. From Frankens initial response to him stepping down.
"He had asked for a hearing before an ethics committee. "
Let me tell you what always works in politics. Have a breaking "scandal" and draw it out as slow as possible while never fighting for yourself.
Best wishes Franken. I am still under the impression you are one of the good guys.
G_j
(40,366 posts)or upside down
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)But I see they are starting on Corey Booker now. Trying to portray him as gay.
Not that anyone here would care but some will. It doesnt matter if he is or not of course. Just anything to taint.
Ghost Owl
(59 posts)Do they really think, even if he was gay, that that alone would cost him his seat? In New Jersey? Jersey ain't even purple, it's blue as shit.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)It doesn't matter if he is gay... If they think they can taint him they will... Franken was from MN. They didn't kick him out because he was from MN.. They kicked him out because people had presidential aspirations for him. Corey Booker has a chance on the national level so, he needs to be cut out.
Ghost Owl
(59 posts)I didn't consider the presidential aspects of it.
Booker being gay (or merely accused of being gay) won't hurt him in his home state, but it might affect his presidential potential country-wide (maybe not by much, but enough to maybe make the Democratic party unwilling to back him as a candidate). It's more about taking him out as a presidential hopeful, than costing him his Senate seat.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)Franken was assassinated. He was set up.
No lectures please. I'm a 69 year old woman who wrote my Master's Thesis on feminism and taught it for years. I've been a women's rights activist since the 70's, blah,blah,blah. This was a right wing hit job that was ALLOWED to happen because Franken is not corrupt. He's honest. He didn't fit in.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... our party is weakened and diminished because of this.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I love them, thanks for the fabulous tune. So apt.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Is why he did not fight harder for himself. I just feel like he was very weak in his own self-defense and that does make me feel like maybe there is something more to this that I don't know.
Perhaps he knows that although his motives were not bad, he crossed the line with some efforts at humor?
Yes I wish there had been a full blown ethics inquiry, but in the end, it was only Franken who could make that decision.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The Republicans would have used him as an example of "lefty wrong doers",
to take the focus off people like Roy Moore and Donald Trump.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)a tiny number, admittedly, will neither cheer nor grieve, having a more nuanced view, and perhaps a stronger commitment to the larger issue.
I support his request for a hearing. The response was predictable; we're talking politics and politicians, and the perceptions they want to create.
At the same time, I want no hedging, no blurring of the line, no rolling back on the issue. Not for partisan political propagandizing, but for women.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)as are most larger issues. I have, in the last 16 years at DU, been lectured repeatedly about how my "smaller" issues don't count against the larger issue of party unity on election day.
Smaller issues like public education, election reform and finance, economic justice, and so many more. I get it. It's frustrating, though, that it's about smaller issues when it's identity or personality, and only about larger issues when it's about election day.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Due Process is not germane, as the judicial system was of no relevance in his decision to step down.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Those are the facts.