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Al Franken steps down today (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 OP
the man bdamomma Jan 2018 #1
Gillibranded should be the term. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #6
+1000 OnDoutside Jan 2018 #20
Yes.. good one LakeArenal Jan 2018 #26
More's the pity, I think. MineralMan Jan 2018 #2
Victory for the right wing. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #3
Who is cheering? brooklynite Jan 2018 #4
GOP strategists. Gillibrand just handed them that seat n/t leftstreet Jan 2018 #11
She is the one cheering. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #12
At our expense no less LakeArenal Jan 2018 #17
Because Al Franken is the only Democrat who can win a Senate seat in Minnesota? brooklynite Jan 2018 #25
Good point. Blue_true Jan 2018 #37
Trading an effective and aggressive Senator for a placeholder, to be followed by a Republican. mn9driver Jan 2018 #5
It is the genius of someone who wanted to take Al out of the 2020 sweepstakes. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #8
Genius move, indeed dalton99a Jan 2018 #10
Geeze. Who would do that? left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #13
Someone in NY with political aspirations of her own. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #16
A sad day for Democrats dalton99a Jan 2018 #7
... MoonRiver Jan 2018 #9
Sad situation all the way around. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #14
Flags should be at half mast G_j Jan 2018 #15
Not to change the subject LakeArenal Jan 2018 #18
Booker is the Senator from New Jersey Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #21
It doesn't matter what state he's from... LakeArenal Jan 2018 #24
You're right Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #27
I can't forgive this. Greybnk48 Jan 2018 #19
I'm right there with you... this was a hit-job. He was railroaded and... NurseJackie Jan 2018 #23
Don't go, Senator. OnDoutside Jan 2018 #22
Ah Yes the Hothouse Flowers ChubbyStar Jan 2018 #29
What I don't understand... HopeAgain Jan 2018 #28
I think he felt it would become a distraction left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #30
And some of us... LWolf Jan 2018 #31
Don't disagree, but the larger issue preponderance of smaller issues. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #33
Yes, LWolf Jan 2018 #34
The Gillibrand Standard riverwalker Jan 2018 #32
That hurts the #metoo movement. IluvPitties Jan 2018 #35
Does #metoo want due process? I'm on their side, but don't know the answer to that ?. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #36
Due Process is not germane, as the judicial system was of no relevance in his decision to step down. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #38
He asked for an Ethics Investigation. Then was pressured to resign. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #39

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
3. Victory for the right wing.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jan 2018

A loss for America. By the way, if Sen. Gillibrand thinks she got closer to the Dem nomination in 2020 by railroading Al, she is deeply mistaken.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
25. Because Al Franken is the only Democrat who can win a Senate seat in Minnesota?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:16 PM
Jan 2018

Might come as a surprise to Amy Klobuchar.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. Good point.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:34 PM
Jan 2018

I think that ALL of Minnesota's statewide offices are held be Democrats, but somehow Franken stepping down gives his seat to a republican. The logic jump astounds me.

mn9driver

(4,423 posts)
5. Trading an effective and aggressive Senator for a placeholder, to be followed by a Republican.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 11:27 AM
Jan 2018

This is the genius of the Democratic Party leadership.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Sad situation all the way around.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018

This will go down as a "how not to" all the way around. From Frankens initial response to him stepping down.

"He had asked for a hearing before an ethics committee. "

Let me tell you what always works in politics. Have a breaking "scandal" and draw it out as slow as possible while never fighting for yourself.



Best wishes Franken. I am still under the impression you are one of the good guys.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
18. Not to change the subject
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 11:54 AM
Jan 2018

But I see “they” are starting on Corey Booker now. Trying to portray him as gay.
Not that anyone here would care but some will. It doesn’t matter if he is or not of course. Just anything to taint.

Ghost Owl

(59 posts)
21. Booker is the Senator from New Jersey
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:06 PM
Jan 2018

Do they really think, even if he was gay, that that alone would cost him his seat? In New Jersey? Jersey ain't even purple, it's blue as shit.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
24. It doesn't matter what state he's from...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:15 PM
Jan 2018

It doesn't matter if he is gay... If they think they can taint him they will... Franken was from MN. They didn't kick him out because he was from MN.. They kicked him out because people had presidential aspirations for him. Corey Booker has a chance on the national level so, he needs to be cut out.

Ghost Owl

(59 posts)
27. You're right
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:22 PM
Jan 2018

I didn't consider the presidential aspects of it.

Booker being gay (or merely accused of being gay) won't hurt him in his home state, but it might affect his presidential potential country-wide (maybe not by much, but enough to maybe make the Democratic party unwilling to back him as a candidate). It's more about taking him out as a presidential hopeful, than costing him his Senate seat.

Greybnk48

(10,167 posts)
19. I can't forgive this.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jan 2018

Franken was assassinated. He was set up.

No lectures please. I'm a 69 year old woman who wrote my Master's Thesis on feminism and taught it for years. I've been a women's rights activist since the 70's, blah,blah,blah. This was a right wing hit job that was ALLOWED to happen because Franken is not corrupt. He's honest. He didn't fit in.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. I'm right there with you... this was a hit-job. He was railroaded and...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:09 PM
Jan 2018

... our party is weakened and diminished because of this.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
28. What I don't understand...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:22 PM
Jan 2018

Is why he did not fight harder for himself. I just feel like he was very weak in his own self-defense and that does make me feel like maybe there is something more to this that I don't know.

Perhaps he knows that although his motives were not bad, he crossed the line with some efforts at humor?

Yes I wish there had been a full blown ethics inquiry, but in the end, it was only Franken who could make that decision.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
30. I think he felt it would become a distraction
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jan 2018

The Republicans would have used him as an example of "lefty wrong doers",
to take the focus off people like Roy Moore and Donald Trump.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
31. And some of us...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:50 PM
Jan 2018

a tiny number, admittedly, will neither cheer nor grieve, having a more nuanced view, and perhaps a stronger commitment to the larger issue.

I support his request for a hearing. The response was predictable; we're talking politics and politicians, and the perceptions they want to create.

At the same time, I want no hedging, no blurring of the line, no rolling back on the issue. Not for partisan political propagandizing, but for women.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
34. Yes,
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:11 PM
Jan 2018

as are most larger issues. I have, in the last 16 years at DU, been lectured repeatedly about how my "smaller" issues don't count against the larger issue of party unity on election day.

Smaller issues like public education, election reform and finance, economic justice, and so many more. I get it. It's frustrating, though, that it's about smaller issues when it's identity or personality, and only about larger issues when it's about election day.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
38. Due Process is not germane, as the judicial system was of no relevance in his decision to step down.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jan 2018

Due Process is not germane, as the judicial system was of no relevance in his decision to step down.

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