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For all you folks worried about losing Al Franken's Senate seat..... (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2018 OP
We should be happy... tonedevil Jan 2018 #1
I hoped weve learned about underestimating crackpots and overestimating American voters EffieBlack Jan 2018 #9
A Bachmann-Pawlenty redux, "god" against "establishment"? Hortensis Jan 2018 #25
What about the nut case we have now, male nut case ok, female nut case no Motley13 Jan 2018 #54
To which nut case... tonedevil Jan 2018 #55
sorry, I didn't make myself clear, there are so many, but numero uno nut case Motley13 Jan 2018 #58
It appears... tonedevil Jan 2018 #59
C'est pour rire! MineralMan Jan 2018 #2
Hopefully Senator Bachmann will send a thank you note to Senator Gillibrand. mn9driver Jan 2018 #3
... LexVegas Jan 2018 #5
The Gillibrand bashing is out of control oberliner Jan 2018 #32
It's laughable now. nt LexVegas Jan 2018 #36
I agree crazycatlady Jan 2018 #42
And it's pissing me off at this point. n/t Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #47
Not laughing at all Pachamama Jan 2018 #6
Overconfidence is our enemy and we hold him close. delisen Jan 2018 #26
+1 leftstreet Jan 2018 #20
I'm nor laughing. This isn't funny at all lunamagica Jan 2018 #30
OMFG! Vinca Jan 2018 #4
So who's running? Michele Bachmann? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #7
Yes, she is currently consulting with God to make her decision... Raster Jan 2018 #10
Oh geez Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #12
God will get back to her when he stops laughing. FSogol Jan 2018 #19
Lots of evangelicals claim God brought us Trump. delisen Jan 2018 #29
just wondering if she is bluestarone Jan 2018 #23
This is a picture from her consultation... madinmaryland Jan 2018 #52
Fortunately, running for Senate means running state-wide. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #8
Ugh but there are so many deep red pockets across the state nadine_mn Jan 2018 #18
She barely won her red district in 2012. onenote Jan 2018 #50
We can chuckle all we want . . . peggysue2 Jan 2018 #11
Isn't Minnesota sort of a "purple" state Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #13
Yes Minnesota is a purple state. Saboburns Jan 2018 #17
All part of the "replace men in power with strong women in power" smh nadine_mn Jan 2018 #14
well said. delisen Jan 2018 #28
She'll always be known for her influence in popularizing the phrase "batshit crazy." Towlie Jan 2018 #15
WTF?! Is this supposed to be good news? Denzil_DC Jan 2018 #16
If you care about the issues, support those fighting for Hortensis Jan 2018 #22
Yea like this appearance on TV Egnever Jan 2018 #24
Another senator would have done it. He didn't write Hortensis Jan 2018 #31
History suggests... tonedevil Jan 2018 #37
Nonsense. How can you know so little about our history? Hortensis Jan 2018 #43
OK tonedevil Jan 2018 #44
She was too scared to run against Al RhodeIslandOne Jan 2018 #21
Not sure why this wouldn't be for general consumption. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #27
That nut job will not be the only repug running. I doubt she'll be their candidate. brush Jan 2018 #33
I highly doubt she will be the only one running. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #45
We should be concerned. With two Senate seats up for MN in Nov now it will be hard to win both TeamPooka Jan 2018 #34
It's almost like it was part of a GOP plan to get nadine_mn Jan 2018 #40
Caution, NSFW! klook Jan 2018 #57
ooh dear lord the humanity - won't someone think of the poor puppy nadine_mn Jan 2018 #65
I have no words riverwalker Jan 2018 #35
Cool Story, Bro . stonecutter357 Jan 2018 #38
And Trump had about zero chance of becoming President. jalan48 Jan 2018 #39
And Trump lost in Minnesota onenote Jan 2018 #66
And Gillibrand paved the way. What instincts! Demit Jan 2018 #41
About as shrewd... NCTraveler Jan 2018 #46
Building public scancal, huh? Guess you didn't notice no "accuser" has... brush Jan 2018 #51
Not sure what makes you think I didn't notice? NCTraveler Jan 2018 #60
Ahhh...you got that wrong. He was the one thrown under the bus. brush Jan 2018 #61
He wasn't thrown under any bus. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #63
Naivete is not cute in senators nor DU posters. Stone, Tweeden and Hannity started it... brush Jan 2018 #69
We laughed when trump threw his name in the hat. Remember? lamp_shade Jan 2018 #48
LOL Scurrilous Jan 2018 #49
Trump? Doesn't stand a chance. What kind of idiot would vote for Donald Trump? mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #53
Trump's candidacy was a joke, and a child molester was almost elected in Alabama eissa Jan 2018 #56
And Trump lost Minnesota. onenote Jan 2018 #67
MN is usually prettyy good, but don't forget they elected Jesse Ventura Motley13 Jan 2018 #62
The wife of the Buffalo sabres coach Danmel Jan 2018 #64
At least we still have the moral high ground. Hugin Jan 2018 #68
Nuclear War is a little more stressful than Al's seat. sarcasmo Jan 2018 #70
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
1. We should be happy...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:25 PM
Jan 2018

because there is no way a nut case like this will ever be elected to the Senate? I am assuming your point since you didn't actually state it, but it seems to me that strategy led to donald sitting in the executive chair.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
9. I hoped weve learned about underestimating crackpots and overestimating American voters
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jan 2018

But apparently not.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. A Bachmann-Pawlenty redux, "god" against "establishment"?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jan 2018


We have to win this seat, and I'd love poor Pawlenty to find himself up against those wackadoodle populists and religious freaks Bachmann attracts, but my withers are somewhat wrung at the very thought nevertheless.

Will he run seems to me the bigger question. If the very thought of Bachmann helps keep him retired, good. He's far too well known and potentially formidable for our good.

That said, let's not forget that Minnesota's overall a liberal state, and this senate seat will be filled by MN's voters, not some rural district's.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
54. What about the nut case we have now, male nut case ok, female nut case no
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:34 PM
Jan 2018

I agree with you that she can't be elected, but after Nov 2016, it seems anything is possible

And there is no way I could listen to her or Jim or the new Tammy Faye

mn9driver

(4,419 posts)
3. Hopefully Senator Bachmann will send a thank you note to Senator Gillibrand.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:31 PM
Jan 2018

Anyone laughing this off isn’t paying attention.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
10. Yes, she is currently consulting with God to make her decision...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jan 2018

...no snark: That's what's she's saying.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
29. Lots of evangelicals claim God brought us Trump.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jan 2018

and lots of "anti-establishment" voters on the left assured us he would be better than our candidate.

I don't think we should be laughing

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
8. Fortunately, running for Senate means running state-wide.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 01:49 PM
Jan 2018

Her old district, CD6, is full of crazies, Trumpers and religious whackos who would probably vote for her again - but she has no chance in the 4th and 5th districts, which are mostly Dem and where most of the people live. However, if she does run (at the urging of God, of course), she will be well-funded by the GOP, who would love to take advantage of the Senate Dems' colossal fuckup, the railroading of Al Franken. Franken is still popular here and polls indicate that the consensus is that he was not treated fairly. No doubt he will campaign enthusiastically for Tina Smith and his support will help her hold that seat. Still, no dirty trick is beneath the GOP, and Bachmann must be defeated. She's Sarah Palin mated with Roy Moore, but possibly even more stupid than either of them.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
18. Ugh but there are so many deep red pockets across the state
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jan 2018

I'm hoping the cold snap has re-wired us all back to our senses.

I just can't deal with this crap.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
50. She barely won her red district in 2012.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

She eked out a victory by just a little more than 1 percent. She didn't run for reelection after 2012. The repub elected to fill that spot won with a much larger margin in 2014 and even larger in 2016. In short, she's not particularly popular in her own district, let alone in the rest of the state.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
11. We can chuckle all we want . . .
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:03 PM
Jan 2018

at the possibility of a Bachmann return. But then, we chuckled at a Trump presidency, did we not?

Means keeping the pressure on, fielding the right candidates and doing the work. Because if God whispers in Bachmann's ear, you know she'll get the funding from GOP mega-donors, probably be heralded by Brietbart and Fox and twitter bots as the Second Coming.

These people will not give up until they're kicked out the door and crushed (politically speaking).

Bachmann is a loon but she must be taken seriously in the on-going pushback.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,392 posts)
13. Isn't Minnesota sort of a "purple" state
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:04 PM
Jan 2018

It can and does elect Republicans (though Bachmann is probably a little too cuckoo for a statewide race but who knows nowadays?)

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
17. Yes Minnesota is a purple state.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jan 2018

Just like America is a purple country. Which elected Donald Trump to be President.

The lesson I took is to not discount any Republican, no matter how outlandish.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
14. All part of the "replace men in power with strong women in power" smh
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jan 2018

Michele Bachman is extremely popular to many here in Minnesota and to underestimate that would be foolish.

Thanks Senate Dems...esp Gilibrand! Boy you really stood up for women by railroading Franken out and allowing this nutjob homophobic bigoted religious freak a chance to further set back women's rights and the rights of all Americans.

But hey she's a woman, and any woman is better than man right

I'm angry and disgusted and pissed and frustrated at how Franken was treated. I'm not denying male privilege has helped to foster an environment of misogyny and harassment of women. I'm not saying that we wouldn't be better off with more women in power. But be careful what you wish for...I'd rather have a strong progressive (regardless of gender) than an alt right conservative woman.

Denzil_DC

(7,221 posts)
16. WTF?! Is this supposed to be good news?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jan 2018

Every second of exposure idiots like Bachmann gets distracts from worthwhile issues such as those Franken was championing in Congress till he was stabbed in the back.

If you're going to clutch at relying on wingbats running against Dems for potential electoral success, take a good, loooong look at yourself.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. If you care about the issues, support those fighting for
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jan 2018

them. Franken was one among many, not one. You know his name instead of others because he went on national TV.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
24. Yea like this appearance on TV
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:51 PM
Jan 2018


One of the few on TV actually holding the Trump mobs feet to the fire.

Many my ass

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Another senator would have done it. He didn't write
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jan 2018

those questions he delivered all by himself, you know. They were part of a strategy developed in conference with colleagues. He's one of many, not one.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
37. History suggests...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:34 PM
Jan 2018

you are wildly over optimistic regarding the bravery and outspokenness of Democratic Senators. Senator Franken has stood out because of his willingness to speak out and the intelligence he displays when he does speak out.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Nonsense. How can you know so little about our history?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jan 2018

Everything you value and are afraid of losing was fought for and created by people you somehow imagine don't exist.

Conservatives ruthlessly determined to stop us are nothing new. We've had to fight them for every advance and to keep every advance from the very first days of our union.

Now, please stop fighting for the conservatives. Dispirited Democrats, failing in courage and conviction are exactly what they need to win.

Others have been before us in moments of discouragement, but after this was composed sensible people on our side of the ocean rediscovered their conviction and made America's greatest era so far happen.

THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
21. She was too scared to run against Al
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:39 PM
Jan 2018

So pat yourself on the back for giving her a dog door to crawl thru.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. Not sure why this wouldn't be for general consumption.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jan 2018

I see this as a good thing. It would increase our shot to hold the seat.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
45. I highly doubt she will be the only one running.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 04:23 PM
Jan 2018

She does have access to national money. As I said, that is a good thing.

TeamPooka

(24,205 posts)
34. We should be concerned. With two Senate seats up for MN in Nov now it will be hard to win both
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

It's a scenario that allows the public to split their vote and send one of each to DC.
This is why we don't have both Senators elected at the same time.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
40. It's almost like it was part of a GOP plan to get
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jan 2018

Rid of a strong Democratic voice who was cricitical of the trump regime and asked hard questions to certain elfin AG and cause Democrats to turn on their own rather than any real issue of sexual harassment.

But that would be crazy talk...no this was all about stopping that nefarious side hugger Franken and standing up for anonymous accusers or accusers who coincidentally had ties to Don jr and Roger Stone. Accusers who have suddenly gone quiet. Never in a million years would anyone dream of the GOP co-opting a movement like #metoo for their own gain.

klook

(12,151 posts)
57. Caution, NSFW!
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:39 PM
Jan 2018










Fortunately the Senate is rid of that masher Franken -- he was definitely our biggest problem!

I assume no tag needed, but it never hurts to reassure other less astute DUers.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
65. ooh dear lord the humanity - won't someone think of the poor puppy
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:33 PM
Jan 2018

groped by this villain! Call the ASPCA! call PETA! get Sarah McLaughlan to sing a song about this stat!

I got the facebook update that a page I was following changed the name to "Former" Senator Al Franken and I almost busted out crying.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
35. I have no words
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

The fate of our country is at stake, but Senator Gillibrand declares touching a butt 10 years ago during a photo is priority. To demand we lose Franken just when we need him most is unforgivable. I will not forget.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
66. And Trump lost in Minnesota
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:43 PM
Jan 2018

And Democratic candidates for US House seats in Minnesota garnered 100,000 more votes, collectively, than republican candidates.

As someone from an even more "purple" state than Minnesota (more of our House members are repubs than Democrats even if our two Senators and governor are Democrats), I can tell you that having Bachmann run would be a good thing for the Democratic candidate, even if she doesn't get the nomination, since she'll force her opponent to the right, just as Gillespie was forced to the right in Virginia.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
41. And Gillibrand paved the way. What instincts!
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

Make a freshman senator have to defend a seat the same year she is installed, then have to defend it all over again two years after that. That's some shrewd politics right there, yessiree.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
46. About as shrewd...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jan 2018

As having a building public scandal, not sticking up for yourself in any way, and telling all of your colleagues you are going to drag it out for a long time. Very shrewd. lol.

brush

(53,740 posts)
51. Building public scancal, huh? Guess you didn't notice no "accuser" has...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:20 PM
Jan 2018

come forward since the repug hit job on Franken that Gillebrand fell for succeeded.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
60. Not sure what makes you think I didn't notice?
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jan 2018

Of course it calmed. He didn't fight for himself and resigned. Political hit jobs normally go away when the target cowers, throws his colleagues under the bus and resigns.

brush

(53,740 posts)
61. Ahhh...you got that wrong. He was the one thrown under the bus.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jan 2018

And many Weinstein, Spacey and other abusers victims kept coming forward after they were ousted.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
63. He wasn't thrown under any bus.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:58 PM
Jan 2018

That simply didn't happen in reality. At this level you don't get to tell your colleagues your only game-plan is to let the clouds hang over your head for awhile. Whitewash that move all you want. It's what started every bit of it.

brush

(53,740 posts)
69. Naivete is not cute in senators nor DU posters. Stone, Tweeden and Hannity started it...
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 09:19 PM
Jan 2018

and a certain gullible senator fell for it, even the "It's my right as an entertainer" line and then the waist hugger accuser.

Beyond pathetic.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
56. Trump's candidacy was a joke, and a child molester was almost elected in Alabama
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:39 PM
Jan 2018

I don't understand where this over-confidence is coming from. If recent elections taught us anything, it's to never underestimate your opponent, no matter how unhinged or unqualified they are.

Oh, and because it can't be said often enough, fuck you Kirsten Gillibrand

onenote

(42,581 posts)
67. And Trump lost Minnesota.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:45 PM
Jan 2018

Having Bachmann jump in the race would be good for the Democratic candidate. That's not overconfidence, it's experience. She's quite unpopular and unlikely to win a statewide race, but she would force her primary opponent to the right, which will help the Democratic candidate, just as Gillespie being forced to the right was good for Northam in Virginia.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
62. MN is usually prettyy good, but don't forget they elected Jesse Ventura
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:57 PM
Jan 2018

& Michele Bachman

but also Franken (love him) & Amy Klobuchar (could be a contender for prez)

Danmel

(4,907 posts)
64. The wife of the Buffalo sabres coach
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

Is running for the start. Karin Housley. Trumpie who currently serves in the Minnesota Senate.

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