Those of you who think calling for Franken's resignation ...
… accomplished anything for the Democratic party, please explain to the rest of us exactly what was achieved.
Did the Republicans follow suit and demand resignations from their party members who have been accused of sexual misconduct?
Did the Republicans withdraw their support of Ray Moore as a result of Democrats ousting Franken?
Were Republicans “shamed” by Democrats touting a “zero tolerance” policy, and adopt the same policy for their own party members as a result?
Has any Republican voter changed their political affiliation because the Democrats displayed “moral superiority”? And was “moral superiority” actually demonstrated by ousting someone without any investigation into his alleged wrongdoing?
From where I’m sitting, I see the Democratic Party as having lost a great warrior for its cause, and a tirelessly outspoken politician who bravely exposed the lies and hypocrisy of the GOP. What I also see is elected Democrats who KNEW Franken was a thorn in the side of Republicans, and agreed to get rid of him rather than stand up for him.
What I also see is Democrats who felt that accusations alone – regardless of a lack of proof and facts supporting those accusations – should be accepted as credible, without any investigation of who those accusers were, and without any regard to the political motivations behind those accusations.
So all of you who think we gained something by getting rid of Franken – without any regard to whether he was guilty or innocent of the accusations made against him – please explain to us what was gained here. Tell us what votes were gained by his ousting, tell us what the GOP lost, tell us how putting a Democratic seat in the Senate in play is actually a good thing.
We’re all ears – so go for it.
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Cute eye-roll, by the way. Does it take a lot a practice to insult your fellow Democrats? 
Got another eyeroll for ya Definitely look forward to our next exchange on another random thread, Kirk Lover.
light up....but go ahead and feel free to make way more of it then it is. Go ahead and wring your hands because I said fuckedy fuck..
because guess what...I DON'T GIVE A FUCKEDY FUCK. 
... with such a precise response, full of factual underpinnings and a thoughtful assessment of the political implications involved.
In case you need it, which you clearly do - 
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approve! 
... you don't understand - but I'm not surprised that you don't.
Oh no...not another Franken thread. Instead of the boring old for fucks sake...I wanted to spice it up a bit so I threw in a fuckedy.
Granted it's not my best work but it's been a busy day on the various internet sites.
I do understand fuckspeak though and will dabble in it on twitter when necessary and the daily caller, as needed. But it's for a good cause of course. 
resign and fine you came up with some ridiculous scenario on why she should/could resign. Now all that's left for your 'great idea' is for it to be orchestrated.
It also sounds like you'd actually LIKE that to happen to her...real nice.
Oh and one last thing I don't give half a hair off a rats rump what the fuck you think of me.
And ya know what...there's two words I could leave you with in my last sentence...but I'm not going to do that* 
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*but you have to admit that it's pretty funny.
G deserves more heat than she is getting.
She has badly damaged the Senate and our party.
She may be the most divisive Dem ever.
She must go.
I feel like I did when Bill Clinton was impeached, only this time we did it to ourselves.
Bachman and Bannon salivate.
just like he was one of the best senators ever.
I'm sure the good senators from New York are aware of this and are ready to launch an investigation into the matter.
Well stated.
for forcing my senator out while we, his constituents, had no say.
But the reality is that we do not know how many more were going to come forward - whether telling the truth, or not.
And with each one, he had to issue a statement. Eventually this would have affected his effectiveness.
This is just a sad fact of life.
You are asking exactly the correct questions of this debacle.
I weep for his loss.
He was the strongest voice we had in the Senate. Evidently, if you can't equal him, throw him overboard.
There was no credible sex harrasment, RWBS, but mostly, the Dems threw him over without due process, even when he asked for an investigation .
What a bunch of _________? Fill in the blank! 
It was earlier. Anywho, K&R. 
If I had to guess, I'm willing to bet that it mostly had to do with winning the Alabama Senate race, not so much in terms of trying to get Republicans to drop their support of Moore, but at least in helping to nullify his defense (by preventing them from engaging in "whataboutism" with Jones and Democrats). I admit that I was pretty mad about what happened with Franken initially and thought it was setting a bad precedent for future accusations against public officials, however, once Franken made the decision to resign, the issue ultimately became moot and now he's gone, so...........
If it was about Alabama, Jones ultimately won but it's hard to know for sure if Franken's resignation helped the matter
how this was handled so stupidly. They were tee'd up and just got rolled over like fools. It is still very unnerving that they felt they could drive out an elected Senator who was serving his constituents and ALL of us with his inquiries into the GOP traitors. Jeff Sessions must be somewhere partying with Roger Stone. I'm still so livid. Not getting over this one...
