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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:34 AM Jan 2018

Feds Have A Right To Shut Down Marijuana Facilities In States Where Legal - Sessions.

The change in federal policy means that Sessions and the Trump administration is saying they have the right to shut down marijuana operations in legalized states and the right to arrest people smoking pot. So they can sic the DEA, DOJ and US attorney on you.

They have declared war on marijuana use. So the game is on right now. After these are blue states who are rogue states because they DID not vote for Trump.

Just another double standard on law and order where how you vote or how wealthy you determines how laws are being applied. So you can be a crook in the White House, a GOPPER who is a thief, or an administration who has committed treason. It is ok if you are a connected Republican. But anyone else not so much.

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Feds Have A Right To Shut Down Marijuana Facilities In States Where Legal - Sessions. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Jan 2018 OP
Yeah they do because it's illegal at the federal level. Same as they have a right to enforce... PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #1
Gun Laws Are Not Relevant Because It Is Their Base. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2018 #2
So I guess that State's Rights argument is only for when it involves owning black people. NightWatcher Jan 2018 #3
Exactly Right. Only Involves Enforcing Laws That Suit Them. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2018 #4
Tenth Ammendment Blues Heron Jan 2018 #5
Does Not Apply To GOP Unless It Is A Law Or Policy That Benefits Them. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2018 #6
It will not happen HopeAgain Jan 2018 #7
the feds are still causing problems with banks Mosby Jan 2018 #9
I Think They Are Confident Enough That They Own The Election Process They Don't Care. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2018 #10
Florida is not a medicinal cannabis state. We voted for it but it was not instituted by a R gov. NightWatcher Jan 2018 #14
Most federal laws involving marijuana have to do with transporting MineralMan Jan 2018 #8
Anyone with a federal "license" zipplewrath Jan 2018 #11
Yes. Of course. But that's on an individual basis. MineralMan Jan 2018 #16
The risk here is the change in behavior zipplewrath Jan 2018 #17
I can't really predict. "I don't smoke it no more." MineralMan Jan 2018 #18
May force Congress into making it legal? duforsure Jan 2018 #12
Or just the ones not affiliated with Peter Thiel? C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #13
Opposing Net Nuetrality, opposing legalized marijuana use.... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2018 #15
I guess states' rights only applies to guns. alarimer Jan 2018 #19
He's talking out of his ass. Xolodno Jan 2018 #20

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. Yeah they do because it's illegal at the federal level. Same as they have a right to enforce...
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jan 2018

federal gun laws in states without such laws.

This is a major opportunity for Democrats to take the lead on this issue.

Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
5. Tenth Ammendment
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jan 2018

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
7. It will not happen
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:47 AM
Jan 2018

The pot industry, both recreational and medicinal, is too entrenched now. This is just Sessions talking out his butt. There are red States (Florida voted red in 2016) that have made medicinal marijuana legal and it would be political suicide to for them to try and reverse the tide at this point.

Mosby

(16,299 posts)
9. the feds are still causing problems with banks
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jan 2018

As it stands now, banks will not allow dispensories to have accounts per federal law.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
10. I Think They Are Confident Enough That They Own The Election Process They Don't Care.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:55 AM
Jan 2018

2016 was a test of the GOP's and oligarchs' ability to steal elections that they believe they can game it with the help of the Russians. They are still working with the Russians and believe they are invincible. I think that the GOP leadership believes that they can appoint so many fascist extremist judges by 2018 that you cannot win a fair hearing anywhere in the US.

Perhaps I am alarmist but based on how far the Reagan Revolution was advanced since 1981 I wonder. Even now McConnell is rushing appointments of some of the most unqualified judges and extremists in the history of the US.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. Florida is not a medicinal cannabis state. We voted for it but it was not instituted by a R gov.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jan 2018

There might be one person getting oil delivery but it is not accessible to the rest of the state. Possession is illegal, growing is illegal, smoking dried flowers is illegal.....

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
8. Most federal laws involving marijuana have to do with transporting
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jan 2018

it across state lines. There are also some tax laws affecting marijuana, but not so many laws regarding possession and use, except on federal property.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. Anyone with a federal "license"
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:01 AM
Jan 2018

Doctors, military, FAA pilot instructors, anyone with a security clearance, they are all being reminded yearly that the feds still don't allow use and any infraction can lose the license/clearance.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
16. Yes. Of course. But that's on an individual basis.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:25 PM
Jan 2018

Many people have jobs where drug testing takes place. If they use substances, there are consequences. It's a real issue.

And that doesn't even require laws in many cases.

The difference between federal laws regarding marijuana and state laws is an enormous problem. I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that smoking dope is going to get to thrown into federal prison. It's also unlikely that it will get you thrown in the local jail. That's always been the case.

However, people do get arrested and convicted, and that's also always been true. Using substances that are illegal has always involved risk and whether you use or not is always a judgment call about those risks.

I smoked weed for several years on a daily basis in the late 60s and early 70s. I never sold it or carried it around with me. I assessed my risk of arrest as extremely low in the area where I lived. So, I went ahead and smoked it. I was never arrested. Others, who made the same assessment, but were less careful with the illegal substance, did get arrested.

Marijuana is still illegal on the federal level. In states where it is no longer illegal for possession or use, you have to look at the risk of some federal cop arresting you for possessing or using. I'd rate that risk as extremely low, but I wouldn't necessarily be obvious about using it, nor would I be engaged in selling or transporting it. That's where the feds will be looking. They're not going to arrest you for smoking it in your living room, though.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
17. The risk here is the change in behavior
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jan 2018

As the markets like to say "past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns". The problem here for people to be aware is, much like the round ups of undocumented workers, Sessions is trying to change the rules and encourage some district attorneys to behave differently. So they might "raid" a store, and if you're in there, they may attempt to bring charges, which can have life long consequences for everything from scholarships to licenses. Worse, one can see them "raiding" a place like the "Green Mile" in Portland, Oregon and sweeping up hundreds of people in an attempt to intimidate the entire market place.

And the one that most people should be VERY careful, it would be easy for them to empower the TSA to make extra special searches in targeted states to try to catch folks "transporting" some of their purchases home. I'm not all that sure people understand that this is STILL illegal, even with the states in question.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
18. I can't really predict. "I don't smoke it no more."
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jan 2018

So, I'm not concerned myself at all. When I did, though, I was well aware of what was risky and what was pretty much not risky. Did I take grass on a plane, ever? Nope. Dumb. Did I have it in my car? Nope. A burned out taillight is all too common a thing.

I smoked it in my living room. I bought it in small quantities from a long-time friend who bought it from a long-time friend. I stored it in a place I thought was safe.

As always, using illegal substances presents a risk. Managing that risk is part of the choice to use such a substance. Same as it ever was.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
12. May force Congress into making it legal?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:04 AM
Jan 2018

They (the GOP Congress) understand the majority, even in their own party, favor legalization now, and medical is so entrenched in so many states they'll never get this off the ground,and knowing it'll damage their own re-elections next Nov. . Trump and Sessions behind this mistake. Trump claimed he wouldn't, so this is par from him. More distractions away from Russia.

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
13. Or just the ones not affiliated with Peter Thiel?
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jan 2018

I wonder what Trump's BFF and big-time cannabis investor thinks of Sessions threats. Or is Thiel the beneficiary of the market-clearing moves?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
15. Opposing Net Nuetrality, opposing legalized marijuana use....
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jan 2018

I see big things in Republicans future: Total collapse. It's not exactly like Republicans were popular with millennials before Trump took office.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
20. He's talking out of his ass.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:08 PM
Jan 2018

They'll try to make some "examples" of some, but its grandstanding.

They do not have the resources to stop this. They tried via banks, but State Banks under state charter have come in to fill in the demand. So that money is out of their reach.

California coming online was a game changer. And the state is prepared to fight. For example, if the Fed's raid and take the funds...the state could sue for the tax money that's owed them, setting up a nasty court battle. Not to mention, they will get no support from local law enforcement...thus jailing will be at a higher cost as they have to immediately transport them to a federal prison. Any equipment, contra band, etc. will also have to be moved to a federal facility.

The horse already left the barn...again, they'll make some arrests, shut down a few places, etc. in a "show"...but that's all they got.

The businesses they take down could actually re-open in a short time later.

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