Maybe DT was not colluding with Russia since his plan was not to win...

[hertopos]

I read a few excerpts from "Fire and Fury".

All revelations are not so surprising. Just confirms what we had in our mind about them.

However, if what is written in the book is closer to the truth, I am reconsidering assumption.

First DU and the family are so stupid and uninformed that they had no idea that Russia can actually alter the election outcome.
Thus they got cozy with Russians and gave them access to whatever they asked for.

At the same time, their original plan was not to win the election, which should open up a series of great business opportunities.
According to the book excerpts,

Here was their expectation.
DT will become a saint and martyr to crooked Hillary, their family can brand their products better than ever. They can establish their own alternative to Fox and Steve Bannon also will become a star. And Kellyanne Conway will became a star talking head on the right...

It has an interesting parallel to Brexit situation. They never expected Brexit to win majority.

More than ever, I really want Muller to prove that Russian really hacked the election. Because even Trump did not expect to win.

What is your take on this..

Hertopos

[HopeAgain]

1. No question in my mind they were colluding to win

Trump is too much of an egoist to lose at anything. They have repeatedly stated that the biggest insult that Trump believes he can make is to call someone a "loser." Yes Trump probably doubted he could win, but he was setting up his loss in terms he could live with by the "rigged system" and everything.

I think Trump wanted to be elected President, he just didn't realize he didn't want to govern until it was too late.

[delisen]

3. Agree he wanted to win.

After one debate in which Clinton performed admirably and trump did not, the disappointment of Trump and his children was obvious.

They wanted to win and were afraid they would lose.

[Zoonart]

5. Win... No Win...

The Russians are driving the bus. There is an agent of chaos in the White House. This is a five alarm fire.
Why are the Democrats not acting that way? We all know that if it was democrat in the WH, the gloves would be well off and the Thugs would be demanding resignation and impeachment.

[delisen]

7. and we all seem to be standing around and making small talk

It is puzzling-this seeming lack of a proportional reaction.

[MANative]

2. There can be other reasons for collusion other than "winning."

Damaging Hillary enough so that she couldn't govern would be as big a motivation, if not bigger, than an electoral win.

[OnDoutside]

4. True, or conversely, narrowing the amount of his loss so he (and Reps) didn't lose as much face/se-.

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[KPN]

6. There's a big difference between not

wanting to win and not expecting to win. Trump didn't expect to win, but he absolutely wanted to win once he found himself actually in the running. He may have started the journey with another goal, but once things got going in his mind he was a WINNER and deeply wanted to win ... for his ego, nothing more.

There is no inconsistency with the Russia involvement/collusion/conspiracy. He wanted their help -- TO WIN.