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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have not watched morning joe since about christmas but he said something just now
that caught my ear. Something about the US being suspended in time with these latest trump scandals. He was talking about the US not being able to be a leader in commenting on the Iran protests. Suspended in time---with Republican silence on Trump.
Vinca
(50,248 posts)Now it's crystal clear we have a nut in the Oval Office and they're like wallpaper. They care more about keeping Don and his signature on their bills than they do about the good of the country.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)since they were "in on it" McConnell refused to hold hearings for a SC nominee. He said "The next president will nominate the new SC members" He KNEW it would not be Hillary. The gop took Russian money, and are helping cover up the entire mess.
riversedge
(70,173 posts)Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)debating each other about 45.
Santorum and Ana Navaro.
Navaro is an unabashed 45 opponent, which is all fine and well, but this feeds into the bias that only republicans can speak out on things.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)patricia92243
(12,594 posts)ol' days" are a lot of his supporters.
eShirl
(18,487 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)To be at least less chaotic. I am not understanding why they are keeping Trump at all costs. Unless it's the base.
marble falls
(57,055 posts)the Orange Shitgibbon is Pence understands how the process works and could work Congress more efficiently. But it seems to me that Congress is starting to prepare for a Trumpless time which they need to get to without alarming Trump's volatile supporters. They have to appear behind him as they grease his skids or they have to make Joe Sixpack finally accept there is something terribly wrong with Trump besides a lying fake press. A delicate business, to be sure.
As Democrats we need to figure out how to get rid of Trump soon enough without getting Pence in before we lock down the November elections. We really don't want voters thinking things are going to be any just better because Pence is in the office. We need every vote and more. The GOP has watered down our vote enough as it is with Gerrymandering and the next Census means it could be worse for us if we can't begin to take Congress and state legislatures back.
ProfessorGAC
(64,951 posts)And while i agree Pence is a nutjob too, i keep going back to Ford. When Nixon resigned in disgrace, Ford was a toothless tiger.
Repub congress or not, a guy getting the office by default due to scandal is unlikely to have much sway, and most definitely won't have a popular mandate.
Which i think is a positive.
Volaris
(10,269 posts)If we retake control of both houses of congress.
There won't be time now for trials and whatnot before November (these things take time) even if Mueller finishes his investigation before July 4th.
If we get control of even the House, we can nominate Hillary to Speaker, breaking the line of sucession(sp) and impeach THE TICKET (Pence knew too, don't kid yourself).
If that were to happen, I would like to see Hillary select Liz Warren as VP. It would unite the wings of the party, and then if Hillary really didn't want to actually run, she could resign before 2020, and let Liz run as the incumbent President.
Just me.
marble falls
(57,055 posts)Pence - Agnew - had resigned and Ford - Trump's Paul Ryan - was President. I'd rather Ryan than Pence. I'd rather Nixon than Trump. Other than that it was all the same. Except Nixon's accomplishments in office:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/richard-m-nixon/
"His accomplishments while in office included revenue sharing, the end of the draft, new anticrime laws, and a broad environmental program. As he had promised, he appointed Justices of conservative philosophy to the Supreme Court (not so good). One of the most dramatic events of his first term occurred in 1969, when American astronauts made the first moon landing.
Some of his most acclaimed achievements came in his quest for world stability. During visits in 1972 to Beijing and Moscow, he reduced tensions with China and the U.S.S.R. His summit meetings with Russian leader Leonid I. Brezhnev produced a treaty to limit strategic nuclear weapons. In January 1973, he announced an accord with North Viet Nam to end American involvement in Indochina. In 1974, his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, negotiated disengagement agreements between Israel and its opponents, Egypt and Syria.
In his 1972 bid for office, Nixon defeated Democratic candidate George McGovern by one of the widest margins on record.
Within a few months, his administration was embattled over the so-called Watergate scandal, stemming from a break-in at the offices of the Democratic National Committee during the 1972 campaign. The break-in was traced to officials of the Committee to Re-elect the President. A number of administration officials resigned; some were later convicted of offenses connected with efforts to cover up the affair. Nixon denied any personal involvement, but the courts forced him to yield tape recordings which indicated that he had, in fact, tried to divert the investigation.
As a result of unrelated scandals in Maryland, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew resigned in 1973. Nixon nominated, and Congress approved, House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford as Vice President.
Faced with what seemed almost certain impeachment, Nixon announced on August 8, 1974, that he would resign the next day to begin that process of healing which is so desperately needed in America.
In his last years, Nixon gained praise as an elder statesman. By the time of his death on April 22, 1994, he had written numerous books on his experiences in public life and on foreign policy."
He also worked with Ted Kennedy on Universal Health-care, he froze prices, had a bank holiday, started the EPA, supported the ERA, signed the Voting Rights Amendment, not traditional Republican stances. Took on OPEC and with the help of Saddam Hussein - for which Congress gave Saddam some sort of award. He didn't steal either of his elections.
Trump? Bupkis. Tax "reform".
Nixon was more progressive than Trump, Ford was no Pence, and other than all of the above, I guess it really was all the same.
For the record - I voted for McGovern and Carter. And danced a little jig when Nixon resigned.
I'm not supporting Nixon in any way. We were never an eyeblink from nuclear war with Nixon and Ford wasn't taking his cues from the divinity as Pence claims he does directly. Nixon wanted universal healthcare and worked in a bipartisan way towards it, Trump literally doesn't care if you live or die. I just don't see the similarities you do past a President leaving office early and a vice-President stepping in, which describes Kennedy/ Johnson, too.
tblue37
(65,269 posts)Probably the Republicans are being blackmailed.
Plenty of material there, to be sure.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,172 posts)he's only eligible for one full term on his own.
But if Pence serves less than half of Dumbass Donald's term, he'll be eligible for a full two terms of his own.
So, prop up the moron for another year (until past January 20, 2019), and they can get their boy in for eight more years instead of four.
If I were them, that's the way I'd try to play it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)If this disgrace in the WH continues, with support from the gop, this country could be next to revolt.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am wondering what role we should be taking. Let's say Obama or Clinton were POTUS right now. What would be the right response from a reasonable Democratic administration?
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Boomerproud
(7,949 posts)These people have families don't they? Where is their conscience?
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)we lost the election. We will be mired in controversy and will not be able to pick up the mantle of leadership for a long time, maybe never.