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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:12 AM Jan 2018

Paul Krugman (at his best): "Faust on the Potomac"

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Early on, some speculated that this would be a temporary alliance – that establishment Republicans would use Trump to get what they wanted, then turn on him. But it’s now clear that won’t happen. Trump has exceeded everyone’s worst expectations, yet Republicans, far from cutting him loose, are tying themselves even more closely to his fate. Why?

The answer, I’d argue, is that they’re stuck. They knowingly made a deal with the devil, and can’t back out.


More specifically, Trump’s very awfulness means that if he falls, the whole party will fall with him. Republicans could conceivably distance themselves from a president who turned out to be a bad manager, or even one who turned out to have engaged in small-time corruption. But when the corruption is big time, and it’s combined with obstruction of justice and collaboration with Putin, nobody will notice which Republicans were a bit less involved, a bit less obsequious, than others. If Trump sinks, he’ll create a vortex that sucks down everyone involved.

And so we now have the Republican party as a whole fully complicit in Trump’s crimes – because that’s what they are, whether or not he and those around him are ever brought to justice.

What this means, among other things, is that expecting the GOP to exercise any oversight or constrain Trump in any way is just foolish at this point. Massive electoral defeat – massive enough to overwhelm gerrymandering and other structural advantages of the right – is the only way out.



the rest:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/opinion/faust-on-the-potomac.html

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Paul Krugman (at his best): "Faust on the Potomac" (Original Post) kpete Jan 2018 OP
That's a classic underpants Jan 2018 #1
I hold that when the DNC was hacked so too was the rnc. Nothing was released because it's shraby Jan 2018 #2
That's very likely HootieMcBoob Jan 2018 #3
Yep, most likely they all too Russian money at one time and the Russians have it documented uponit7771 Jan 2018 #12
Don't Forget disndat Jan 2018 #20
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #21
that sounds like a reasonable hypothesis. nt tomp Jan 2018 #18
It's not pithy but that last line should be burned into all of our minds. Squinch Jan 2018 #4
"...no elected Republican handmade34 Jan 2018 #5
k and r...thank you....great post.. Stuart G Jan 2018 #6
republicans CAN back out, joshdawg Jan 2018 #7
Concise description of potus 45's crimes: lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #8
Wiki's Faust: lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #9
Hang Trump around the neck of every Republican running for office this year dalton99a Jan 2018 #10
And so we now have the Republican party as a whole fully complicit in Trumps crimes? malaise Jan 2018 #11
+1, "massive enough to overwhelm gerrymandering " uponit7771 Jan 2018 #13
Yup, that is the problem to overcome dhol82 Jan 2018 #14
The Republicans' aiding and abetting is the big story. democrank Jan 2018 #15
Ummm, that's what we @DU have been saying for months. flying_wahini Jan 2018 #16
Right. So what do we do about voting integrity, Mr. Krugman? tomp Jan 2018 #17
But There Is Still Fox News And Pravda DallasNE Jan 2018 #19

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. I hold that when the DNC was hacked so too was the rnc. Nothing was released because it's
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:15 AM
Jan 2018

being used to blackmail members of congress to keep them in line.

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
3. That's very likely
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jan 2018

The entire Republican Party has become a fifth column. We have to rely on the press, the special counsel and the citizenry to save us. We're in deep trouble and it doesn't appear that there is anyone within the GOP with the integrity to stand up and speak out against the treasonous behavior of their party.

disndat

(1,887 posts)
20. Don't Forget
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jan 2018

The Koch Bros. and Mercer's endless money also. I think it will be hard to fight. I think the Republicans were paid off to put
over the Tax Reform bill, for instance, Susan Collins, so that they would be well off even with the lost of seat for voting the tax bill and also for the end of Obamacare,
If Trump goes, the Kochs and Mercers will find another puppet to replace him.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
5. "...no elected Republican
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:38 AM
Jan 2018

not one – has the strength of character to even attempt an escape..."


we must ask why the immoral are so powerful and what can we do about it??

lindysalsagal

(20,679 posts)
8. Concise description of potus 45's crimes:
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:12 AM
Jan 2018
Trump is morally and intellectually incapable of being president. He has also exploited his office for personal gain, obstructed justice, and colluded with a hostile foreign power.

lindysalsagal

(20,679 posts)
9. Wiki's Faust:
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jan 2018
Faust is the protagonist of a classic German legend, based on the historical Johann Georg Faust (c. 1480–1540).

Faust is a charlatan who is highly successful yet dissatisfied with his life, which leads him to make a pact with the Devil, exchanging his soul for unlimited knowledge and worldly pleasures. "Faust" and the adjective "Faustian" imply a situation in which an ambitious person surrenders moral integrity in order to achieve power and success for a delimited term.

dalton99a

(81,464 posts)
10. Hang Trump around the neck of every Republican running for office this year
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jan 2018

and every year in the future.

They are his enablers and accomplices

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
14. Yup, that is the problem to overcome
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:38 AM
Jan 2018

We have to have a massive turnout in November.
I remember hearing Randi Rhodes, back in 2002, crying out for everybody to vote. She made the convincing argument that they could steal an election when the numbers were low but it would be much more difficult to finagle the results when it was a blow out.

democrank

(11,094 posts)
15. The Republicans' aiding and abetting is the big story.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:53 AM
Jan 2018

Stand up, speak out, demand accountability, RESIST, over and over and over.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
17. Right. So what do we do about voting integrity, Mr. Krugman?
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:15 AM
Jan 2018

The democrats have done nothing about it. You got any ideas?

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
19. But There Is Still Fox News And Pravda
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jan 2018

And enough people are trapped in that web to keep the repudiation level down. Computers have turned gerrymandering into a fine tuned science and Citizens United provides unlimited dark money.

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