I haven't met one person who wants to trash the 2nd amendment.

[lilithsrevenge12]

I don't want your guns, I don't want your ammunition, I just want less innocent people to die. Colorado was a freak tragedy which honestly couldn't have been prevented, when an insane person wants to kill people there is no stopping them. What I want is for it to be more difficult to get your hands on a semi-automatic guns (I'd prefer to ban them) or own two dozen guns. There are quiet a few people who are dangerous and allowed to walk around with concealed weapons. This isn't just about protection, it's things like the fact that in the suburbs are a bunch of dumb ass, middle class, white kids who think it's cool to own a gun. I know one kid who shot his finger off, two kids who were accidentally killed by friends, and one kid who might be responsible for first degree murder. Not everyone who owns a gun is stable, just like not all gun owners are backwoods rednecks who want to shoot at anything near their property. Is it really that hard to find middle ground on this?

[hack89]

1. Then you haven't been paying attention to this forum. nt

[AnotherMcIntosh]

14. x2

[NMDemDist2]

2. well now you have

well, not the ENTIRE 2nd amemdment, ok, yeah, the entire thing.

I support infringing on people's right to bear arms with regulations.

[xchrom]

4. +1

[SlimJimmy]

3. Really?

I haven't met one person who wants to trash the 2nd amendment.

I ain't buying it any more. I want your guns grabbed. ALL of them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002987469#post10

[ileus]

5. I don't want your guns, I'd prefer to ban them

[onehandle]

6. The 2nd Amendment is great. If King George ever returns, he's covered.

However the conservative Supreme Court, have comprehension problems, mainly related to their wallets.

[samsingh]

8. king george would be scared from all our would be part time militias

the taliban and other terrorists, not so much.

[onehandle]

11. I'm convinced that the NRA is an al Qaeda front.

They probably count gun deaths in the U.S. as terrorist successes.

[samsingh]

12. the nra makes it easy for terrorists to get their hands on massive weapons

[hack89]

15. Like what? nt

[AnotherMcIntosh]

18. Yep, you must be right. John Locke was wrong and the required 2nd Amend only applies to King George.

The "gun issue" is a wedge issue. Those who pursue it to divide Democratic voters with a more-pure-than-thou approach, and implicitly reject the concerns of independents who own guns for home defense or other purposes, are going to do so to the detriment of Democratic candidates.

If there is a better wedge issue to divide Democrats and weaken the chances of Democratic candidates, what is it?

[samsingh]

7. well put

[RevStPatrick]

9. I think that maybe...

...anyone who wants to own a gun should be a registered member of a "well-regulated" militia?

Or - the second amendment doesn't say anything about bullets.
Maybe there should be a $10,000 per bullet tax?
Bye-bye deficit!

[4th law of robotics]

10. About a quarter or respondents on one poll here said exactly that

might be different now, that was yesterday.

[Iggy]

13. Please stop using the word "tragedy".

A tragedy is a hurricane, or an earthquake; both are totally outside the control of man.

I just want less innocent people to die. Colorado was a freak tragedy which honestly
couldn't have been prevented,

this is a full, honest assessment of the problem?

I disagree.

1. U.S. citizens are already very heavily surveilled, perhaps more so than in China.

2. holmes ordered 6,000 rounds of ammo via credit card. 50 deliveries of ammo and gear were made
to his home over four months. that IS trackable, is actionable.

3. it does not appear law enforcment is even _trying_ to stop these mass murders.

4. the wrong (color) people are being surveilled. we have a domestic terror problem.

5. time for the Homeland Security and other agencies to start earning their pay. excuses are not acceptable.

The ACLU:

Today the government is spying on Americans in ways the founders of our country never could have imagined. The FBI, federal intelligence agencies, the military, state and local police, private companies, and even firemen and emergency medical technicians are gathering incredible amounts of personal information about ordinary Americans that can be used to construct vast dossiers that can be widely shared with a simple mouse-click through new institutions like Joint Terrorism Task Forces, fusion centers, and public-private partnerships. The fear of terrorism has led to a new era of overzealous police intelligence activity directed, as in the past, against political activists, racial and religious minorities, and immigrants.

This surveillance activity is not directed solely at suspected terrorists and criminals. It's directed at all of us. Increasingly, the government is engaged in suspicionless surveillance that vacuums up and tracks sensitive information about innocent people. Even more disturbingly, as the government's surveillance powers have grown more intrusive and more powerful, the restrictions on many of those powers have been weakened or eliminated. And this surveillance often takes place in secret, with little or no oversight by the courts, by legislatures, or by the public.

http://www.aclu.org/spy-files

[11 Bravo]

16. By your definition, the Holocaust was not a tragedy. I disagree.

Tragedies can absolutely be man-made.

[Iggy]

20. The Holocaust was Genocide - by Men

I think we can agree it's been discussed/analyzed quite enough now; the U.S. military knew the rail lines
were being used by the Nazis and could have bombed the rail lines and at least slowed down the Holocaust.

this is getting off topic.

let's act on something awful occuring _now_.

the problem is MSM and our "political leadership" is painting the domestic terrorism problem in the U.S. as "acts of God", "aberrations", "freak occurences", and drawing the conclusion (for us) that mass murder is unstoppable. based on what I'm seeing here and elsewhere, people are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I'm not. I am calling this out as major bullcrap.

and I've got plenty of reasons to think the way I do.

I refuse to sit by like sheeple, wring my hands and pretending nothing can be done.

1. Stop surveilling the wrong people.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

17. "Colorado was a freak tragedy" WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED if there was economic justice in

this country and a sense of a continuation of traditional democracy so that people like the shooter didn't feel a sense of dispair and isolation to the point where they turn to violent movies and video games and seek revenge against society for their emotional problems without any concern for humanity.

Where's the humanity on even this board by those who have expressed a virulent hatred for DU gun owners and other gun owners but who have not connected the dots between the emotional problems of the shooter plus others like him and the dispair caused by a sense of a lack of a future?

Wouldn't you expect some humanity from them? Wouldn't you expect them to focus some attention upon the dispair and isolation? Yet where is it?

[nanabugg]

19. Hi