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babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:02 PM Jan 2018

The greatest mystery in Washington: Why is anyone still loyal to Trump?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/01/05/the-greatest-mystery-washington-why-anyone-still-loyal-trump/mio4tjmKVifqkfs2xlKpcI/story.html?event=event25

The greatest mystery in Washington: Why is anyone still loyal to Trump?

By Michael A. Cohen Globe Columnist January 05, 2018

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But how does one explain an administration full of individuals who believe that the president they serve is an idiot and unfit for the job, and yet still wake up every morning, go to work, and not only defend him but strive to further his political agenda? It’s not as if multimillionaires like Tillerson or Mnuchin need the work. There’s always a place on cable news for a talking head like Kellyanne Conway.

Surely some rationalize what they do by telling themselves they’re protecting the country from Trump. But of course that’s a lie. They’re enabling Trump and allowing him to stay in a job for which he is manifestly unsuited.

This is a president who takes to Twitter to threaten North Korea with a nuclear attack; who has barely lifted a finger as half of Puerto Rico lacks power; who has regularly and flagrantly undermined the rule of law, and almost certainly obstructed justice. From what, exactly, is America being protected?

There’s no doubt that working in White House is a cool gig and the pinnacle of a political career, but to what end? Surely, no job, no matter the perks, can be worth enabling and normalizing a president — with all of the awesome responsibilities that come with the office — who you think is a danger not just to the country, but also to the world.

They could quit. They could speak out. They could implore the vice president and other Cabinet secretaries to invoke the 25th Amendment. They could stop lying on Trump’s behalf and stop assisting his effort to shred political norms and undermine the nation’s democratic institutions. They could do something, anything, to warn the country. Instead, most of them will get up Monday morning and do what they’ve been doing for the past year: enable a president who they believe is an idiot. Why they choose to do it is perhaps the greatest mystery in Washington today.


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The greatest mystery in Washington: Why is anyone still loyal to Trump? (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2018 OP
Why did Hitler have acolytes? dhol82 Jan 2018 #1
Acolyts are what cult leaders always have. Also they have fear and self-presevation and Foxxx. Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #3
Hitler was no moron nor was he stupid. demosincebirth Jan 2018 #27
Great question! thbobby Jan 2018 #2
I'm thinking a whole lotta blackmail and Stockholm Syndrome. dewsgirl Jan 2018 #4
Graham for sure. Kingofalldems Jan 2018 #6
1000% dewsgirl Jan 2018 #7
Dead girl? ToxMarz Jan 2018 #19
Don't know, but it could be the megarubles. dchill Jan 2018 #20
Dead boy Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #21
Not "still loyal" but suddenly loyal BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #5
+1 dhol82 Jan 2018 #9
That is the big question! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #8
'cause they're weasley Cha Jan 2018 #10
Sociopaths can con others into blind loyalty, or they use fear. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #11
Sociopaths are not ignorant or stupid...trump is. demosincebirth Jan 2018 #28
Some sociopaths are not smart, they are the ones in jail. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #29
I'll rephrase that...some sociopaths. The glue is money and bullshit, that's a toxic combination demosincebirth Jan 2018 #35
Yes I would agree, a toxic glue of money and BS. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #36
They're complicit. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #12
Because they've taken PAC money funded by rubles Roland99 Jan 2018 #13
No mystery at all. This as as common as can be fescuerescue Jan 2018 #14
In some cases or many, kompromat Jarqui Jan 2018 #15
Intelligence community patriots should dig up that kompromat mainer Jan 2018 #22
CONSPIRACY MFM008 Jan 2018 #16
Profit$$$$$ C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #17
All the Republicons want is someone to sign stuff nt doc03 Jan 2018 #18
Without even reading it. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #25
That's easy. Power. zentrum Jan 2018 #23
Cui bono? Follow the rubles. dchill Jan 2018 #24
The dossier must implicate many of them. Kablooie Jan 2018 #26
Easiest answer of all time Awsi Dooger Jan 2018 #30
Cult behavior. moondust Jan 2018 #31
Blackmail, money bdamomma Jan 2018 #32
There are opportunists - like Nikki Haley: dalton99a Jan 2018 #33
Why assume GOP would do the right thing? Juliusseizure Jan 2018 #34

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Acolyts are what cult leaders always have. Also they have fear and self-presevation and Foxxx.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:12 PM
Jan 2018

Hitler and Trump are using identical tactics.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
2. Great question!
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:08 PM
Jan 2018

When will an organized crime syndicate quit their idiot boss? Not if he is willing to bring the syndicate down because he is going to jail. Mob snitches can hold a great deal of persuasion over those as criminal as he is.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
5. Not "still loyal" but suddenly loyal
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:16 PM
Jan 2018

is more like it. Gtassely and Graham supported the Mueller Investigation and the ongoing investigations in the House and Senate and now they flipped and are trying to derail and discredit all of the investigations.

This is a big change and we all know now that there is going to be an uphill battle to get any justice from the investigations from this point forward.

This is why the Dems have introduced bills in an effort to get an Independent Investigation like that of 9/11. The GOP has blocked it for partisan reasons. The Americans believed that the investigations would be supported in a non partisan way back in July. People believed the Mueller would never be able to be derailed even if the investigations in both chambers did become partisan. Well, guess what? The GOP who supported the investigations have FLIPPED since then (Grassely, Graham, etc). Now what? They are derailing the investigations in Congress and Mueller's too. Gee, what a surprise!

Now what do we do? What can we do? Do NOT put all of your eggs in one basket! Be prepared for the GOP to rig/steal the midterms and they go to 2020 unfettered. I won't say "I TOLD YOU SO" like I did when I said the Moron would win the moment I saw him descend down the golden escalator. Fux Ruse will take care of all of it!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. That is the big question!
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 08:24 PM
Jan 2018

They don't need him anymore. He is obviously a danger to the world and to the party. Why do they hang on? He can only make things worse for them.

Irish_Dem

(46,805 posts)
29. Some sociopaths are not smart, they are the ones in jail.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:16 PM
Jan 2018

Trump has something that glues people to him.
Toxic glue.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
14. No mystery at all. This as as common as can be
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 09:10 PM
Jan 2018

In every power dynamic, whether private industry, government or even social clubs, there is commonly a leader.

That leader, regardless of whether he is there by merit, inheritance, tradition or blind luck is surrounded by supplicants. The REASON they surround that leader is because they are looking benefit themselves, to catch the table scraps that fall from the table of the leader.

Take the most heinous, murderous, evil leader from history you want....why did he live so long? and allowed to cause so much misery? These men (and almost always men) are human and just as fragile as anyone else. A quick cut to the throat, or shot to the head could have saved thousands or millions and these men were always surrounded by people who were very well armed constantly. Any one of Hitlers guards could have ended his reign in a flash.

It almost never happened though. Why? Because those who surround, support and defend a leader, find it in their personal best interest to be a supplicant.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
23. That's easy. Power.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jan 2018

Policy changes. The great oligarchical rip-off. This is their chance. They're mad for the tax cut and they got it. They'll throw the destruction of DACA as a bone to his base while, while back stage they deregulate banks, finance, oil, the FDA and replace every aspect of our Democracy with privatization and ways for making profit.

That's why they don't leave. They are changing us and want to make sure it's permanent and un-doable.

Kablooie

(18,623 posts)
26. The dossier must implicate many of them.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jan 2018

They are desperate to keep out of prison so are trying to quash the investigation.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me

moondust

(19,970 posts)
31. Cult behavior.
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:23 PM
Jan 2018

Republican lock-step conformity.

Don't ever cross the Führer!

No committee assignments/end of political career.

Republican "base" chose Drumpf over ~16 other GOP candidates. Where do you go when you dump Drumpf? Are previous "quitters and fired losers" doing well or struggling?

Take your pick.


The Jonestown cult drank the Kool-Aid on Jim Jones' command.

dalton99a

(81,426 posts)
33. There are opportunists - like Nikki Haley:
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:45 PM
Jan 2018

From "Fire and Fury"

By October, however, many on the president’s staff took particular notice of one of the few remaining Trump opportunists: Nikki Haley, the UN ambassador. Haley—“as ambitious as Lucifer,” in the characterization of one member of the senior staff—had concluded that Trump’s tenure would last, at best, a single term, and that she, with requisite submission, could be his heir apparent. Haley had courted and befriended Ivanka, and Ivanka had brought her into the family circle, where she had become a particular focus of Trump’s attention, and he of hers. Haley, as had become increasingly evident to the wider foreign policy and national security team, was the family’s pick for secretary of state after Rex Tillerson’s inevitable resignation. (Likewise, in this shuffle, Dina Powell would replace Haley at the UN.)

The president had been spending a notable amount of private time with Haley on Air Force One and was seen to be grooming her for a national political future. Haley, who was much more of a traditional Republican, one with a pronounced moderate streak—a type increasingly known as a Jarvanka Republican—was, evident to many, being mentored in Trumpian ways. The danger here, offered one senior Trumper, “is that she is so much smarter than him.”

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
34. Why assume GOP would do the right thing?
Sat Jan 6, 2018, 11:50 PM
Jan 2018

Look at their base and funders.

The current GOP are corrupt sociopathic corporate oligarchists, with a white racist idiotic base of supporters filled with fear and hate.

Trump is still very popular with his base - he's delivering on hatred of minority groups and opposition groups (democrats). He doesn't care about democratic norms. Neither does his base.

In fact, they likely want him to do more. Be more aggressively fascist. Jail political opponents. Kill minorities outright. If they're still happy with him, I don't know where their bottom is - but its a very dark place. I don't recognize "loyalists" as Americans.

The ONLY time his base got upset was his meeting with Schuman/Pelosi and "agreement" on DACA and the wall. Meanwhile, they'll vehemently attack any GOP who betrays Trump.

What other conclusion can be drawn after a year of this shit?

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